"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[BenRod]

He go way to wide leaving the apex to the other guy but on the exit the other guy is supposed to leave space and he didn't . Maybe because of understeer ? But seeing the other video seems like he just have no racecraft at all

Malv definitely moved over with intent. He had already nudged me, then got a little help from behind when he balked to try to move right to block the apex. I sensed what was happening and took evasive action but still got nudged and did a slide job around the outside of the hairpin.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Yeah, no. OP is on the wrong line, slows the car too much, accelerates mid corner and continues to understeer wide. I don't know what level this is at but the vast majority of players in this game are going to drive through that gap.

Of course you should go for the pass, if you can pass cleanly. But if going for it will result in the other car being forced off then it's not a pass. And he makes it worse than it had to be by continuing to make less space.

If this guy was clean before I suggest someone else is running his psn now.

 

[Gogga]

@Gogga i can't say I've had that problem myself. Although in the mid summer i was having an intermittent issues with the brake "sticking" it would only e enough to just barely activate the brakes but was super annoying when your on a best lap or someone is right behind you and the brakes go on by them selves or simply dont let off 100%. I honestly think it was the humidity or something messing with it cuse it has been fine since the crazy summer heat passed. Keeping my eye on it though....

@sturk0167 i do not understand some people... i have raced that guy many times and in the past he was clean, with me at least, but all week i have seen him doing that kinda stuff. First one, yes the pass is your fault perhaps, but he knew what he was doing when he forced you onto the grass, perhaps not dirty but absolutely a jerk move....

I think your brake pedal is suffering from the ghost breaking. This clip shows the cause and fix.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Yeah, no. OP is on the wrong line, slows the car too much, accelerates mid corner and continues to understeer wide. I don't know what level this is at but the vast majority of players in this game are going to drive through that gap.

@250Cal the issue to me is that he forced him off track. Yes he went wide, yes the other guy should go for the pass, but he should still leave some room for the other car on the outside. He clearly runs his line out to the edge to push/keep sturk on the grass.

There are different interpretations when you should leave room. Some disciplines state that if you lose full overlap during the corner, then you have lost the corner.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
If the driver on the inside is behind at corner exit, they must leave space for the driver on the outside.
If the driver on the inside is ahead at corner exit, it is the duty of the driver on the outside to back out or take evasive action to avoid a collision.

That's for F1 though. For others the 50% overlap rule is applied and as long as you have 50% overlap the other needs to leave space. @sturk0167 definitely still has 50% overlap when the other car 'decides' not to leave any room at corner exit. The red car is on a trajectory to not even leave 2 wheels on the road at corner exit.

GTS simply states it's a no contact sport, don't do anything that makes you look bad. The line the red car is taking looks bad and resulted in contact. @sturk0167 was not diving for the inside at corner exit as so many people do when they mess up to block the car behind. There was no reason for the red car not to avoid contact.

 

[250Cal]

@250Cal the issue to me is that he forced him off track. Yes he went wide, yes the other guy should go for the pass, but he should still leave some room for the other car on the outside. He clearly runs his line out to the edge to push/keep sturk on the grass.

Once the car is up the inside then the traits of the GTO are such that he's going to be understeering towards the outside of the track - hard to say without seeing the throttle trace whether he tried to avoid that, again in this game the majority aren't going to lift to create space when 1st (or any other position generally) fever takes hold. I'm actually surprised the game gave out a penalty.

Historically, leaving racing room i.e. the car's width has been an expectation. However, I can tune in to virtually any racing series and watch someone on the outside being squeezed. In online racing, you're largely screwed.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying if you leave the door open, someone will go for it and in this instance the gap was huge. If I'm running on pole (and in general), if there's a corner that is making me vulnerable to a punt I try to minimise that risk. If needs be, and the option is viable, I'll go in faster, to avoid the punt, and manage the understeer/compromised line on the way through and out. Better to live to fight on than be in the gravel/wall. There's virtually nothing you can do in example 2 of those shown.

There are different interpretations when you should leave room. Some disciplines state that if you lose full overlap during the corner, then you have lost the corner.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
If the driver on the inside is behind at corner exit, they must leave space for the driver on the outside.
If the driver on the inside is ahead at corner exit, it is the duty of the driver on the outside to back out or take evasive action to avoid a collision.

Bingo

 

[Dairyworker]

@250Cal i feel like we are generally in agreement here. I suppose the issue comes into play that, an A/S driver (or at least he was a few days ago) is not in the majority and you should be able to expect better racecraft from them. Not saying it should be a surprise, but you shouldn't be expecting the same trash racing we get in other games or at lower levels. I would also say that as a stand alone incident it is not even worth getting botbered by it. But combined with some of the stuff i have seen him do this week and the other examples. I call shenanigans

 

[05XR8]

Watched this race live and got the itch to jump back in Gr.4. The last 6 minutes of that race below, are like the 6 minutes of my first race tonight

 

[BenRod]

Once the car is up the inside then the traits of the GTO are such that he's going to be understeering towards the outside of the track - hard to say without seeing the throttle trace whether he tried to avoid that, again in this game the majority aren't going to lift to create space when 1st (or any other position generally) fever takes hold. I'm actually surprised the game gave out a penalty.

Historically, leaving racing room i.e. the car's width has been an expectation. However, I can tune in to virtually any racing series and watch someone on the outside being squeezed. In online racing, you're largely screwed.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying if you leave the door open, someone will go for it and in this instance the gap was huge. If I'm running on pole (and in general), if there's a corner that is making me vulnerable to a punt I try to minimise that risk. If needs be, and the option is viable, I'll go in faster, to avoid the punt, and manage the understeer/compromised line on the way through and out. Better to live to fight on than be in the gravel/wall. There's virtually nothing you can do in example 2 of those shown.



Bingo

Perhaps the context wasn't understood. There was some history beforehand. Sturk was ready to deal with him. So was I, and also my friends starting 4th and 6th. If I had been able to stay with them, things would have certainly been different because...

If you need a partner to gang up with against a bad guy, I'm your man! Just ask any of my friends.

 

[RZQSPEED]

Sorry for the slight derail, but I found this:

Is this guy the same as our @Invisigoth here?

 

[QC YALUM]

Perhaps the context wasn't understood. There was some history beforehand. Sturk was ready to deal with him. So was I, and also my friends starting 4th and 6th. If I had been able to stay with them, things would have certainly been different because...

If you need a partner to gang up with against a bad guy, I'm your man! Just ask any of my friends.

i remember a race with U at Tsukuba in Miata , i was on pole and u 4th and after 1rst corner u was 2nd and the other's between us was eating dirt since then im scared when u start behind me lollllllll but we race recently at Fuji in the Trueno and everyone passed the 1rst corner clean

 

[El_Beardo]

Don't forget the road will be dry at the S/F line, so that can potentially screw up our tires over time.
MR cars are OP in the rain. The only FR car that I know of that is actually decent in the rain is the Viper.

I believe the Merc is also good in the wet, but yes MR cars are a safe bet. The Citroen in particular was very quick in the FIA Red Bull race.

From my limited testing, the 'Vette is lethal in the in wet.

Maybe I'll try the 650S . .

 

[sturk0167]

Example 1 is 100% on you. You made an absolute mess of T1 and let him through.

I know exactly how to take turn 1 (see clip #2). I had already had problems with that guy, and I knew he was on the inside. I could have done a better job, but I intended to take that turn wide, so he wouldn't run into the back of me. I left lots of space at the bottom. I didn't care if he passed on the inside, because I would pass him later. He got by on the inside, but then wouldn't allow me to stay on the asphalt.

 

[Invisigoth]

Sorry for the slight derail, but I found this:
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Is this guy the same as our @Invisigoth here?

Not I, I've never been a mod of any forum. IRC yes, forums, no .

 

[RacingGrandpa]

So what is your laptimes on Tokyo outer east in the wet? I tried in the McLaren GTR and felt safe but slow

 

[O604]

I should have skipped this week.

Maybe next week people will remember what brakes are?

 

[The_Tullster]

I should have skipped this week.

Maybe next week people will remember what brakes are?

But they won't work anyway 'cause we'll be driving on a wet track

 

[Sven Jurgens]

(If the driver on the inside is ahead at corner exit, it is the duty of the driver on the outside to back out or take evasive action to avoid a collision.)

Bingo

Bingo in F1 yes, we're not playing F1 though. Plus getting ahead at corner exit by taking a line that looks like you're going to miss the corner exit can't be what that rule intended. That would be the same as saying you established overlap by a dive bomb and thus have corner rights, even though you'll shoot by the apex and might not even make the corner without 'help' of the other car.

If anything can be 'learned' from the etiquette videos is that you always have to leave room for the other cars in GT Sport. One car left a ton of room, the other didn't leave any. It's still the duty of the overtaking car to avoid contact. (And it's the duty of the car being passed not to perform a desperate block by diving to the inside at corner exit, but that was not the case here)

 

[BenRod]

i remember a race with U at Tsukuba in Miata , i was on pole and u 4th and after 1rst corner u was 2nd and the other's between us was eating dirt since then im scared when u start behind me lollllllll but we race recently at Fuji in the Trueno and everyone passed the 1rst corner clean

Awww, sheesh. Don't be scared, buddy... I'd never hurt you.
Probably count on one the hand the number of times you and I have ever made significant contact across all races.
I rarely wreck anybody, but sometimes intentionally if they really REALLY deserve it.
Never intentionally to a friend. (except for uncle10 )
I say, "I won't mess you up, I'll make you mess up."

At Tsukuba (or any other track), it is almost essential to know how to play opponents off each other. This requires knowing also how to drive Tsukuba in both lanes and go side by side safely. Controlling either or both lanes, I can slow an attacker slightly allowing his follower to catch up. Then take T1 or the right hairpin like a maniac, and watch the duo disappear off the rader two wide. It works really well on people who don't understand it, especially so at Tsukuba and certain other tracks.

 

[wicken]

Here we are. Nearly two weeks after I got the game I managed to reach my first goal, getting +90 wins on Sport Mode.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

@wicken 4 DR resets in 2 weeks and maintaining an average SR of 26 is pretty impressive as well
PD should never have added the trophies for pole positions and victories, 91 clean races and 15 consecutive should have been the trophies!

Now you've got those trophies out of the way, try out SR.S next on the way to 322 races

 

[wicken]

@wicken 4 DR resets in 2 weeks and maintaining an average SR of 26 is pretty impressive as well
PD should never have added the trophies for pole positions and victories, 91 clean races and 15 consecutive should have been the trophies!

Now you've got those trophies out of the way, try out SR.S next on the way to 322 races

I willl
I have done what I must in order to compete against people of my skill level and to learn while I was at it, it wasn't just all about the wins. The poles, clean races came along the way.

 

[Pigems]

I willl
I have done what I must in order to compete against people of my skill level and to learn while I was at it, it wasn't just all about the wins. The poles, clean races came along the way.

I wouldn’t call 91 wins out of 110 races competing with people of your own skill level, that’s just shoot’n fish in a barrel.

 

[wicken]

I wouldn’t call 91 wins out of 110 races competing with people of your own skill level, that’s just shoot’n fish in a barrel.

Call it cheating then. It didn't seem fair to be placed right at the beginning against A, S drivers while I was still adjusting to the game and its physics.

 

[suprajef]

Call it cheating then. It didn't seem fair to be placed right at the beginning against A, S drivers while I was still adjusting to the game and its physics.

Well what is fair? Racing is never fair...

 

[6BK]

@wicken

Call it cheating then

OK!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

So, in time trial you can't change the level of grip on wet and curbs, but in custom race you can set it to real and it's a major difference. I suppose that race C next week will be set on real. If so, it will be very entertaining to see the people who trained in time trial at turn one after the straight...

 

[Pigems]

Call it cheating then. It didn't seem fair to be placed right at the beginning against A, S drivers while I was still adjusting to the game and its physics.

And how was it fair to all the other people in those 91 races? You purposely tanked your stats just to be put into rooms where you could easily win, and in doing so you took away every one of those peoples chances for a legit win in those races.

If you want to game the system to get a stupid trophy, that’s your business and I couldn’t care less. But don’t come on here bragging about wins when all you did was farm the chit out of the system to get them.

 

[Winnie847]

Wellll, I finally made an EMEA account and have a few races under my belt. I’m C/S after 7 races and am looking forward to racing with new people! I’ll be racing intermittently throughout the rest of my day, while also running FIA races in my own region tonight.

winnie_the_plebh is my new psn, hehe feel free to add me!

https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=9978652

 

[wicken]

And how was it fair to all the other people in those 91 races? You purposely tanked your stats just to be put into rooms where you could easily win, and in doing so you took away every one of those peoples chances for a legit win in those races.

If you want to game the system to get a stupid trophy, that’s your business and I couldn’t care less. But don’t come on here bragging about wins when all you did was farm the chit out of the system to get them.

You make it sound like those 91 wins were given to me on a platter. I fought hard to get them. Am I proud of doing what I did to make it easier to get them? No! I didn't intend to start this backlash.

I was being honest when I said that I just wanted to play against people of skill levels compared to mine. I had some pretty amazing fights and most importantly I had fun.

 

[El_Beardo]

And how was it fair to all the other people in those 91 races? You purposely tanked your stats just to be put into rooms where you could easily win, and in doing so you took away every one of those peoples chances for a legit win in those races.

If you want to game the system to get a stupid trophy, that’s your business and I couldn’t care less. But don’t come on here bragging about wins when all you did was farm the chit out of the system to get them.

Precisely the reason I did what I did when I set up my Canadian account. Qualify well, rake in the first couple of easy podiums/wins, while I get out of the lower rated lobbies as quickly as possible.

It's no good for me to be "racing" guys that can't keep up, and it's no good for them, either. I mean, it would make stats look good on paper. But, it's no fun.