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How many people would love to have full damage, strong short cut penalty , strick track limits and we have to use two tyre compounds.
Maybe mix it up with choose of three tyres not just two, and the tyre you qualifying has to be the type you start on?
Has a poll been done for this before?

I'm with you on stricter track limits. We shouldn't have the silly limits like we have had at Red Bull Ring or Spain.

In my opinion, the thing that needs fixing first, that would make for much better races, is reducing the number of unjust penalties - e.g. you getting hit by a car that is out of control but you get the penalty or you get tapped into a wall by other driver, but you get the penalty.

GTS is pretty inclusive for the dailies, even if that means including the dirty drivers. Overall PD have done a pretty good job with the dailies - log on and drive with people at a similar level whenever you want (OK I've seen some pretty uneven grids too).

If damage is important to you, then I'm pretty sure there will be a league running that uses it.
 
If PD immediately removed heavy damage in FIA Manu/Nation cup because of how exploitable/ easy to screw someone race, imagine on dailies.

And it will not help when you have your DR or SR on the line. This can totally happen on high level lobbies too.
 
I hear what everyone about heavy damage and about saying this is not a full race sim.

I have never said it is a full SIM and don't expect one on the PS4.

But putting it back in and holding penalties for pushing cars to the end will make it harder for them to win and us clean drivers a better race.

I also know holding penalties until the end is not in the game.

But the fact heavy damage is not in the game gives the rammers more freedom to screw up everyone race.

End of the day we should be able to use these functions to stop or put the rammers off playing the session that have heavy damage.

That's my view so I guess we will have to just leave it as it is.

Rammers win most of the time and even if they don't win, they just don't get fully punished and still mess up your race.

Thanks for your input.
 
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Heck last night late I entered an A race. Alt. I started fourth. Lobby greetings were great between myself and the third place and second place starters. I only raced a bunch here early in the week.
Anyways race starts and I cover inside which allowed fifth to slip by on exit. No contact from any of us. Third, raced him wheel to wheel no touching at least ten times before. Great racer.
Lap two fourth cuts inside turn three, bashes third.
Turn six I rub by his inside into 4th.
Chicane, I get too deep on entry and end up cutting exit taking .5
Rather than slow, (that was my biggest mistake in race). I end up trying to take inside on third on last turn, and taking it two wide, no contact.
We slow, fifth takes fourth into turn one and is holding middle track on entry. I brake early, rub by him on exit. He cuts track entry turn five and bashes by, I stay on track though and nudge his rear on exit of turn six so he runs a bit wide in sand and slows.
I serve my pen and guy takes inside turn seven, but I’m close through Schumacher and fly by him on the left turn before the right onto the long back straightaway.
On the right, he he’s able to shove his left front into my right rear by an inch and he’s on the floor upsetting my little car and try to pit me.
Obviously now we are slowed locked in a door banging frenzy. Somehow he gets ahead and the fella I initially had trouble with is coming round my outside fast so I release steering a touch, he goes on grass but gets by.
So now I’ve got two dirty guys just in front of me going into chicane.
I make a combo billiard punt, hitting them both into ghost reset taking 3 seconds but still retaining my finishing position while they fall to eleventh and tenth.
I actually like no damage because if someone is dirty and you know where to punt you can punt them into next week for revenge.
I hate dirty racers and cheaters, but as @Rexracer702 pointed out you could easily take people completely out with little damage to your self with a smart nudge here or there.
You think cheaters would not learn these tricks and use them to full effect?
The pinball collision effects have pluses and minuses, but with real damage these people who lose control and careen across track in front of you would end your races instead of just causing a minor pen, not only that but often you can catch people who bash and take revenge. Plus real damage plus graphics of it plus crazy crashes would encourage people who like to see those things visually and cause them. I think the game makers made a good choice not having all that in there.
As it is you can punt someone going fifty at 200 and there’s no explosions etc. Just penalties.
I do get pissed at cheaters...

And I have no problem taking them out...
The other thing is imo full sim is not what you want for fun online racing. You don’t want your driver to die in a crash ending the game and having to restart.
You don’t want oil all over the track from crashes and coolant and hydraulic fluid and random mechanical failures and car running poor because of unknown problem and to be required to troubleshoot mechanical problems and have to do maintenance on the cars, at least I don’t.
I want a fair race pitting driver against driver. Let’s face it except for a very few we are club level racers at best and few to none of us could handle these racecars irl.
So, for a fun game against real people no imo a hardcore sim is no good at all.
 
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Yesterday, I was thinking I would post something about how the penalty system has improved. Minor contact with walls, and bump drafting don't seem to be penalized much at all, since the last update. I'm glad about that, because those are petty little things.

Anyhow, I decided to do a couple of SR maintenance races at Bathurst. Just planning to cruise around nice and easy to get a couple of blue ratings. Didn't work out. I ended up quitting both races and going further down. :lol:
Here's a clip of me trying to be nice and back off the throttle to not push the issue, because DR was not my concern. When you start at the back, you should expect the unexpected from the first few cars that you encounter. I end up bumping the dude off the track, and it's definitely my fault. I think he was struggling a bit, but doing the best he could. However, 7 seconds seems way too harsh. :scared:
I didn't know that was a thing, now. :confused:


*Also, I've noticed a bunch of E rated drivers the last few days. I guess GT Sport is still a popular Christmas gift.
 
I noticed a lot of e during my descent into madness and chaos of low sr recently.
I like to put in a qual on alt, just enough to start ahead of the really bad, but not so much that it’s my best and I place pressure on myself to be at my best every race...
 
Lost 2000 DR today at Laguna Seca. Just don't get on with that track - 3 races, 3 offs, and finishing outside top 10 each time (tho to be expected, i haven't qualified better than 16!). Reasonably clean driving at B/S but just such a tight little track for Gr3.

What's coming next week?
 
I ran an afternoon run of C today. I am just barely DR B, hanging on by a thread.
I am matched with a lobby of all B and a few A, I am player 19 as the lights send us off, slowest qualifier in the lobby.
Running 25:05 in QT. Now, the first half lap is pretty uneventful, then the fighting begins. By lap 2, t1 I am p16 just by people running off or pushing each other off.
After 3 or 4 laps it settles down and the race becomes a race instead of a demolition derby.
I slowly work my way up to p12, all My laps being 26 or low 27. Race ends with CRB and 7 spots gained. DR lost: 300 points. How am I supposed to gain DR? Git gud??
 
I think if your aim is to gain Dr finish ahead of more guys at your same Dr within each race than finish ahead of you.
I’ve gained Dr by going from 16 to 15 because there were only 2 b s in that lobby.
What worked for me on main was going for the long term bit by bit gains, and never crashing myself out.
Many races, especially at 99 holding starting position can be a great result.
I think people race for the win or THAT ONE SPOT too much tbh.
 
I think if your aim is to gain Dr finish ahead of more guys at your same Dr within each race than finish ahead of you.
I’ve gained Dr by going from 16 to 15 because there were only 2 b s in that lobby.
What worked for me on main was going for the long term bit by bit gains, and never crashing myself out.
Many races, especially at 99 holding starting position can be a great result.
I think people race for the win or THAT ONE SPOT too much tbh.
I got a long way to go then. I only just made B, got 10550 Dr points. I have no idea what number of DR my opponents had, but they all qualified ahead of me and where all B or A. I suspect I will be C again soon if I keep bleeding DR.

Edit: well, gaining DR points is a nice bonus, but the focus is fun racing. So it's irrelevant if I am Dr B or C :)
 
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Sometimes i think i should drop a DR just so that i can win a couple races or at least podium.
Not great fun tooling round in 16th by yourself!!

I was also frustrated about the lack of wins/podiums when first playing this game. Then I remembered my saying - "Not everyone can be Michael Schumacher" (Next year I might be changing this to Lewis Hamilton!)

If I fancy some races for some easy wins (and cash to buy new cars), I'll do GT league or custom race.
 
I've decided to go back to ABS Default. ABS weak just puts too much wear into the tires and it's cost me races.

When there's no tire wear, I find it to be a bit of a toss up with ABS weak giving a little more stability, but it's not worth the cost.



I retract my statement. I didn't do any better with ABS default. I actually did worse :(
 
I think people race for the win or THAT ONE SPOT too much tbh.
Exactly that. My personal goal is to finish at least one spot up. If I do see an opportunity or I make up multiple spots due to collisions, cars spearing off, luck... then, I'll up my expectations(of myself).

Some players feel entitled because of using the META or because they got a good run and have to place the car right at a position that makes a move iffy.
 
Well, after yesterday sitting at low A sr on alt I set out on race a to make repairs. After 4-5 races I was up to 86 then lost it back in one dirty one...
Entered c race no qual.
Crb gave me twenty sr...Happy, now later if I want I can do a or b again.
I used the Stang tcs 3 bb0 and all line aids...
It’s fun to just drive that track smooth on the line, just don’t gas it before apex. Hehe.
Tires held great trying to not squeal at all, ran 25-26 after getting through some early mess here and there and settling in.
I’m new to the track so after this super lucky clean run I have a positive feel for it.
Can definitely see here that stupidity could become a problem when folks get desperate.
Consider myself like winning the lottery after that one!
Edit today I used default abs, and I noticed on a race I couldn’t transfer as much weight with hard braking,
easier to keep car balanced but not optimal for me on that particular car. I do think weak gives a person more ability to manipulate the cars balance but whether that’s good or bad comes down to the driver and style.
 
Well, after yesterday sitting at low A sr on alt I set out on race a to make repairs. After 4-5 races I was up to 86 then lost it back in one dirty one...
Entered c race no qual.
Crb gave me twenty sr...Happy, now later if I want I can do a or b again.
I used the Stang tcs 3 bb0 and all line aids...
It’s fun to just drive that track smooth on the line, just don’t gas it before apex. Hehe.
Tires held great trying to not squeal at all, ran 25-26 after getting through some early mess here and there and settling in.
I’m new to the track so after this super lucky clean run I have a positive feel for it.
Can definitely see here that stupidity could become a problem when folks get desperate.
Consider myself like winning the lottery after that one!
Edit today I used default abs, and I noticed on a race I couldn’t transfer as much weight with hard braking,
easier to keep car balanced but not optimal for me on that particular car. I do think weak gives a person more ability to manipulate the cars balance but whether that’s good or bad comes down to the driver and style.
I run the same car, only bb2, TCS 2. Very stable, and I get the same times as you. Blue SR every race, CRB around each third. Race C has been good to me this week.
 
Some players feel entitled because of using the META or because they got a good run and have to place the car right at a position that makes a move iffy.

This 100 times. A large number of the problems I had at race C this week were people going 100pct send when I had the slightest bobble, even if it was really a no passing zone. I did work really hard to give room which often led to me getting bumped off or having dirty tires for a while.

Much better to race hard and clean and know when where an overtake is not going to happen before you attempt a crazy lunge. And I was in mostly A lobbies this week. I backed off entry in the opening stages in order not to create craziness but Didnt always see it from others. After this I am not sure GR2 at Suzuka will help. That or Interlagos again:nervous::nervous:
 
How am I supposed to gain DR? Git gud??

I think if your aim is to gain Dr finish ahead of more guys at your same Dr within each race than finish ahead of you.
I’ve gained Dr by going from 16 to 15 because there were only 2 b s in that lobby.

I got a long way to go then. I only just made B, got 10550 Dr points. I have no idea what number of DR my opponents had, but they all qualified ahead of me and where all B or A. I suspect I will be C again soon if I keep bleeding DR.

Edit: well, gaining DR points is a nice bonus, but the focus is fun racing. So it's irrelevant if I am Dr B or C :)
I've gained DR in races where I've finished further back than I started. Places lost or gained is irrelevant to DR, only finish position and the relationship between your DR and the DR of the other drivers matter.
 
This 100 times. A large number of the problems I had at race C this week were people going 100pct send when I had the slightest bobble, even if it was really a no passing zone. I did work really hard to give room which often led to me getting bumped off or having dirty tires for a while.

Much better to race hard and clean and know when where an overtake is not going to happen before you attempt a crazy lunge. And I was in mostly A lobbies this week. I backed off entry in the opening stages in order not to create craziness but Didnt always see it from others. After this I am not sure GR2 at Suzuka will help. That or Interlagos again:nervous::nervous:
Yeah, I'm going to try the slip n' slide GR.3 Supra at Interlagos. Need to do as many races with that car for FIA.

As for Fuji, I think the META NSX no tyre wear users, (not all, but), will indeed be sending it at 130R.
 
Race C. After 3 laps my tires are dead

Bug?

and with 3 different cars

3 laps is too soon for any car in this race, but if they were MR cars I suggest switching to an FR car for the race. The mid-engine layout is great for qualifying on this track, but the rear tires fall off too early to be great race cars in my opinion.

That said, if your tires are done after 3 laps you're likely overdriving or outbraking yourself. This is largely a tire-saving race, because the pit stop is too long. Sacrifice a little pace early on by braking early and coasting into the heavy braking zones, which are the T1/T2 hairpin (maybe it's T2/T3?), and also into the corkscrew. If you outbrake yourself at either of those places just a few times, your tires are much worse later on. Just hit those apexes nice and gently early and you'll pass people easier later.
 
I've gained DR in races where I've finished further back than I started. Places lost or gained is irrelevant to DR, only finish position and the relationship between your DR and the DR of the other drivers matter.
So, what you are saying is that it's mostly out of my hands. I gain 6-7 places and still get DR down. So it's because I am SR 99 and slower than my equals in DR. Everyone in my race must have lower DR then.
 
So, what you are saying is that it's mostly out of my hands. I gain 6-7 places and still get DR down. So it's because I am SR 99 and slower than my equals in DR. Everyone in my race must have lower DR then.

A distinct possibility. I've been on grids where I've been the only DR/D, and because everyone else was DR/B or A, even finishing 3 cars down from the middle I gained points. Others have posted on this thread that as DR/A or A+ they have been filler for DR/C/D races and they have lost points for finishing P2 :crazy:. Once of the times I was visiting DR/C I finished P7/16, but because there were more DR/Ds than Cs, I still lost points... not many, but points lost none the less. Some races it's just a crap shoot how you get matched.
 
A distinct possibility. I've been on grids where I've been the only DR/D, and because everyone else was DR/B or A, even finishing 3 cars down from the middle I gained points. Others have posted on this thread that as DR/A or A+ they have been filler for DR/C/D races and they have lost points for finishing P2 :crazy:. Once of the times I was visiting DR/C I finished P7/16, but because there were more DR/Ds than Cs, I still lost points... not many, but points lost none the less. Some races it's just a crap shoot how you get matched.

Got to agree I had my 1st race win, I started 2nd got hit all the way down to 10th but still won the race after changing my strategy.
I felt so happy until I saw my points 19.
I thought if I had no penalties I would get more points.
I know if you come off the track you loose your clean race bonus.
 
So, what you are saying is that it's mostly out of my hands. I gain 6-7 places and still get DR down. So it's because I am SR 99 and slower than my equals in DR. Everyone in my race must have lower DR then.
You gain DR from every driver who finishes behind you, you lose DR to every driver who finishes ahead of you. If the drivers ahead have higher DR than you, you don't lose much to them, if they have lower DR you lose a lot to them.
If the drivers finishing behind you have lower DR than you, you don't gain much from them. If they are higher DR, you gain more.
The bigger the difference in DR between you and another driver, the more you gain or lose from that driver.

In an evenly matched race, everyone finishing in the top half of the field will gain some DR, they higher up you finish the better. Everyone finishing in the lower half will lose DR.

If it's a race full of C/D drivers with two A+ and the A+ drivers crash each other out and come last, nearly the whole field will gain DR.

Disconnect / quit counts as coming last. I believe if several drivers disconnect, their finish order will be determined by distance completed before disconnect.

If you're interested in mathematics:
For every car you finish in front of you gain:
80 - ((Player DR - Rival DR))/500)DR

For every car you finish behind, you lose:
80 + ((Player DR - Rival DR))/500)DR

This article is also worth a read https://www.gtplanet.net/unravelling-mysteries-gt-sports-driver-rating-system-improve/

Edit: Just did some number crunching. If matchmaking is at it's worst and the differences in DR are REALLY big (more than 40K), it's theoretically possible for bottom ranked drivers to gain DR from A+ and high A drivers finishing ahead of them and for high A/A+ drivers to lose DR to very low ranked drivers finishing behind them.
 
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So Fellas, here’s my Summary for this Weeks Race C which I’ve been doing as often as I could.
Great stuff. Really really great stuff.
I knew it was going to be a tough Nut, my Qually Time wasn’t that fast, but I somehow managed to mostly start midpack, somewhere around 8th to 10th.
I‘m not into Qualifying so I did a short Session and that was it.
The Racing indeed was superb. Super clean, very respectful and truly intense.
I did about 15 Races on my STR Account, and I Must say that People in my Rooms were very clean.
The new Penalty System Must have washed their heads as I didn’t saw a single stupid move.
Maybe I’m just lucky but the Racing was top notch.
I even switched to another Car. Blasphemy :lol:
But since the fuel multiplier is so low, I don’t see any benefits in driving the 458 any longer.
It was its strength and it’s still my one and only Car I‘d like to drive but it just wasn’t Competitive over 14 laps, so I tried the Subaru WRX.
Cool Car, very stable good Choice.
PD, please bring back the high Fuel multiplier.
Otherwise, there’s no benefit in using the 458 anymore :nervous:
 
Finally got to run some races today. Ran two C races with the Mustang, set brake balance +3 to the rear, TCS off in and ABS default in SR S lobbies. Finished P4 after qualifying P3, mostly clean race. I got bumped in the rear mid turn and sent wide on lap 10. Didn't go fully off track but it ruined my run up the hill heading towards the corkscrew. I never could recover the lost position. Went into the next race qualifying P4 but finished P2. Had a real tight race between P3, myself and P5 for most of the race. I got by around lap 9 and walked away from them. Took P2, right after the corkscrew. The guy lost it on the left hander going down hill on the last lap. I ran most laps 1:24-1:25 the second race. Didn't drop off till around lap 10 (1:26's). I tried brake balance +2 the first race to save the rear tires a little more. I couldn't get the car to turn in like I wanted and kept running wide, losing time. So I went back to +3 for the second race. Lap times were much better even late in the race.

Got SR 99 for the first time ever, and I can say I enjoy the S lobbies much more than the B/C. DR is back on the rise after my reset sitting at B with 17k points
 
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