"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Rangeraus]

Refuelling is 10L/s as opposed to the normal 7L/s which will help the non fuel saving strat

It could work, but I am yet to see a 1-stop strategy win the race

 

[KosmoKazi]

Anyone notice the insane and unusual situation where last week's Daily Race top time at Willow Springs went down again, substantially, on Sunday? I noticed it because I had my K' targets in the bag, but was surprised to see it this morning, that my times weren't good enough now. There was a 1.5 sec reduction in the top time, I think since Saturday night, for the NSX/Willow Springs event.

I noticed that one of the top times replays featured a car losing it and crossing into the infield... when he spun and slid all the way through, the car went over the S/F line and his time was counted! I wonder if people were exploiting this, because a 2.5% reduction in the top time, over the weekend, is really unusual. I did look at the top guys' times and they have great K' Speed Scores, but nonetheless it looked possible to cheat the track limits penalties. Makes you wonder!

That one was a tough time to achieve, anyway: I was 5.6% off the top time, despite it being my best ever region rank position... maybe I should have raced there, my QT might have been enough to afford me pole positions and some DR farming, but I didn't dare.

And, the funny part is: I was targeting that I break into the 70+ K' speed score this week, and had it well in hand until this. New actual score? ...69.99! So close! I guess it will be one more week until I get it above that milestone!

 

[MIE1992]

Anyone notice the insane and unusual situation where last week's Daily Race top time at Willow Springs went down again, substantially, on Sunday? I noticed it because I had my K' targets in the bag, but was surprised to see it this morning, that my times weren't good enough now. There was a 1.5 sec reduction in the top time, I think since Saturday night, for the NSX/Willow Springs event.

I noticed that one of the top times replays featured a car losing it and crossing into the infield... when he spun and slid all the way through, the car went over the S/F line and his time was counted! I wonder if people were exploiting this, because a 2.5% reduction in the top time, over the weekend, is really unusual. I did look at the top guys' times and they have great K' Speed Scores, but nonetheless it looked possible to cheat the track limits penalties. Makes you wonder!

That one was a tough time to achieve, anyway: I was 5.6% off the top time, despite it being my best ever region rank position... maybe I should have raced there, my QT might have been enough to afford me pole positions and some DR farming, but I didn't dare.

And, the funny part is: I was targeting that I break into the 70+ K' speed score this week, and had it well in hand until this. New actual score? ...69.99! So close! I guess it will be one more week until I get it above that milestone!

View attachment 926090

Was a K' speed score of 71.45 good, then? Because that's apparently my score.

 

[x5abotagex86]

Morning folks!

Looks like you guys are knee deep in some dailies action and drama! Woohoo can’t wait to jump in!

Don’t know anything about A track, and only done a few laps on C, hope to figure em out quick!

C looks dangerous and exciting lol! But definitely looks worth a DR and SR slide lmao!

excited for my livery “debut” for Atenza at race B, feelin sexy

Goodluck and have fun!

 

[O604]

Anyone notice the insane and unusual situation where last week's Daily Race top time at Willow Springs went down again, substantially, on Sunday? I noticed it because I had my K' targets in the bag, but was surprised to see it this morning, that my times weren't good enough now. There was a 1.5 sec reduction in the top time, I think since Saturday night, for the NSX/Willow Springs event.

I noticed that one of the top times replays featured a car losing it and crossing into the infield... when he spun and slid all the way through, the car went over the S/F line and his time was counted! I wonder if people were exploiting this, because a 2.5% reduction in the top time, over the weekend, is really unusual. I did look at the top guys' times and they have great K' Speed Scores, but nonetheless it looked possible to cheat the track limits penalties. Makes you wonder!

That one was a tough time to achieve, anyway: I was 5.6% off the top time, despite it being my best ever region rank position... maybe I should have raced there, my QT might have been enough to afford me pole positions and some DR farming, but I didn't dare.

And, the funny part is: I was targeting that I break into the 70+ K' speed score this week, and had it well in hand until this. New actual score? ...69.99! So close! I guess it will be one more week until I get it above that milestone!

View attachment 926090

 

[Pigems]

Anyone notice the insane and unusual situation where last week's Daily Race top time at Willow Springs went down again, substantially, on Sunday? I noticed it because I had my K' targets in the bag, but was surprised to see it this morning, that my times weren't good enough now. There was a 1.5 sec reduction in the top time, I think since Saturday night, for the NSX/Willow Springs event.

I noticed that one of the top times replays featured a car losing it and crossing into the infield... when he spun and slid all the way through, the car went over the S/F line and his time was counted! I wonder if people were exploiting this, because a 2.5% reduction in the top time, over the weekend, is really unusual. I did look at the top guys' times and they have great K' Speed Scores, but nonetheless it looked possible to cheat the track limits penalties. Makes you wonder!

That one was a tough time to achieve, anyway: I was 5.6% off the top time, despite it being my best ever region rank position... maybe I should have raced there, my QT might have been enough to afford me pole positions and some DR farming, but I didn't dare.

And, the funny part is: I was targeting that I break into the 70+ K' speed score this week, and had it well in hand until this. New actual score? ...69.99! So close! I guess it will be one more week until I get it above that milestone!

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This is why it went down so much...

 

[x5abotagex86]

First B race, start and finished P2.

Hope it’s a good sign!

No action, no defending, so I wasn’t tested really, we’ll see!

 

[trilla00]

Have done a couple of Race Bs, both 3rd place in B-S. First race in the AMG GT, second in DBR-9. Doesn't seem to be a consensus on cars just yet but seeing a lot of Beetles and general handling cars like Evos and WRXs. DBR9 is fantastic on the brakes and much quicker than the Beetle or Evo. Going to try Atenza, M6 and 911 later.

My second race was actually pretty shameful and a very poor indictment of the penalty system. I got my braking point way too late on the second lap, first hairpin and accidentally punted a Beetle into an Evo, putting them both off the track and the Beetle with a 4 sec penalty, I drive away with nothing. Beetle punts me later on the second hairpin on purpose, probably deserved, but there's nobody close to us and he's much worse off, now with a 10 sec penalty. Back to back clean race bonuses, thank you PD.

 

[KosmoKazi]

This is why it went down so much...

Well, that's information that would have been good to have! I think I would have been able to start at the front and mine some good DR, with my 'real' time, which was ranked 298 without the cheat! I was pretty consistent at that lap time, but could not improve on it to save my life, which makes sense now... I suspect that I would have had some good success racing legitimately if that's the case. I cranked the BB to the rear, and drove hard onto the apexes with a careful entry, to get a great exit speed, and was able to keep it in the low 1:22 range, over and over. Opportunity lost, I guess, in a week that I struggled in anyway, despite a great Nations race.

 

[DoctorNuu]

Race A just gave me flashbacks to a teen holiday in a 49hp Ford Fiesta.
It had trouble keeping 90km/h on uphill parts of the Italian highway.

Hey, this Mini has double the power, but still the back straight seems almost as long as the drive to the Riviera.

 

[The_Tullster]

I'm liking Race A, it's fun regardless of finish position. Race B is a bit sensitive to rubbing door handles but also fun. C is out of the question, COVID19 is playing havoc with my ping and that combined with my less than stellar skill level and Gr.1 cars is a recipe for disaster.

 

[O604]

Tried a Race A this morning. Started 10th. Finished 9th.

I chased @Dairyworker to set my QT, 1.42.148. I go to race. And he's staring #2. The grid was like Race A All-Stars.

 

[GTWolverine]

I guess it will be race b for me then. Its a tragedy that group c cars are basically left to rot in sport mode unless its le sarthe. I just dont get pds logic.

Especially when Gr. B gets its own in-game category. Why can't we have an in-game Gr. C?? We have 5 cars that could go immediately into that class, and if they add the Toyota 88C-V and Nissan R89C like they've had in the previous 3 GT titles, that's easily enough to justify its own class!

St Croix C/CII would be perfect for Group C over LMP.

I still think that would go the way of the hybrids, and maybe some of the VGT cars. There are only 2 long straights and everywhere else is hard braking/hard acceleration zones.

 

[sevetyone]

Enjoying race A today , finally found a daily that's my pace

 

[Dairyworker]

Tried a Race A this morning. Started 10th. Finished 9th.

I chased @Dairyworker to set my QT, 1.42.148. I go to race. And he's staring #2. The grid was like Race A All-Stars.

Was nice to see you on the track this morning. No kidding about the pace of the room. Home for a few hours mid day, cuse one of the bosses forgot to turn the chill on yesterday. Hit the track and got into a great crowd right away. Done 5 now and all fast and clean races. I have been starting 2 or 3 and finished with a couple wins and podiums, so far.

 

[LVS_1986]

Anyone notice the insane and unusual situation where last week's Daily Race top time at Willow Springs went down again, substantially, on Sunday? I noticed it because I had my K' targets in the bag, but was surprised to see it this morning, that my times weren't good enough now. There was a 1.5 sec reduction in the top time, I think since Saturday night, for the NSX/Willow Springs event.

I noticed that one of the top times replays featured a car losing it and crossing into the infield... when he spun and slid all the way through, the car went over the S/F line and his time was counted! I wonder if people were exploiting this, because a 2.5% reduction in the top time, over the weekend, is really unusual. I did look at the top guys' times and they have great K' Speed Scores, but nonetheless it looked possible to cheat the track limits penalties. Makes you wonder!

That one was a tough time to achieve, anyway: I was 5.6% off the top time, despite it being my best ever region rank position... maybe I should have raced there, my QT might have been enough to afford me pole positions and some DR farming, but I didn't dare.

And, the funny part is: I was targeting that I break into the 70+ K' speed score this week, and had it well in hand until this. New actual score? ...69.99! So close! I guess it will be one more week until I get it above that milestone!

View attachment 926090

Kscore is a beach When I discovered it(from this forum) I already have many bad times, you know just jump into quali make lap or two and decide: nah this race boring... Now its really hard to improve it... But slowly improving

 

[Stencedaddy]

Especially when Gr. B gets its own in-game category. Why can't we have an in-game Gr. C?? We have 5 cars that could go immediately into that class, and if they add the Toyota 88C-V and Nissan R89C like they've had in the previous 3 GT titles, that's easily enough to justify its own class!

I still think that would go the way of the hybrids, and maybe some of the VGT cars. There are only 2 long straights and everywhere else is hard braking/hard acceleration zones.

what about monza? even though it will likely never come up.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

what about monza? even though it will likely never come up.

Monza and Le Sarthe in No chikane mode is classic C Territory

 

[gigio79]

Unfortunately the daily race is not the best thing created by GT sport. The problem is that these type of races are full of stupid people that instead to try to win just hit other cars, penalty system does not help and at the end of the story many serious and good drivers don't play and create races with their friends. I don't know how can be possible, if possible, resolve this issue, but if the developpers of the game did not fix it in the last years, maybe is not easy. We will see in the future ( GT7 ) if something will be done.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Was a K' speed score of 71.45 good, then? Because that's apparently my score.

I'm not a judge, but it's a good reference for me: to have the score and to know what it means, then give a mark to improve on. "What is measured is done." So I try to improve on it one step at a time.

Kscore is a beach When I discovered it(from this forum) I already have many bad times, you know just jump into quali make lap or two and decide: nah this race boring... Now its really hard to improve it... But slowly improving

What I've found is that it's helpful to know where you stand, so that you are prepared for both the Daily Races and the FIA events. I keep track of it in more detail. I know that my score for Gr3 and Gr4 cars is different for example, so when I am in a practice session, I know where I need to be, to be competitive in my current DR range.

So when preparing for a Gr3 race, I know that I need to practice until I'm comfortably within 3% of the top time, repeatably, until I would be competitive in a race. For G4 races, I know that I need to be at least within 2.2% of the top time. And in practice, I watch that my 'optimum' time is under the target, and then I know that I just need to be repeatable, until I can achieve the target. If I'm not able to do that, I know that I need to change something about my lines or approach to the track. This sounds more complicated that it is... it's just nice to have a target.

(In the same way, during a race, I am much better and faster when trailing someone, even if I am able to keep up, than in the lead... some dogs just like to race in front, others like to be chasing... I'm the latter).

I did ask the great guy who manages the K' data (which is how I found this forum, but posting a question to his thread) if he could correlate the K' Speed Score to DR, to give an idea what is competitive at any range... but unfortunately that score is only done on query for any individual driver (when you load the page). And it's understandable that he doesn't prepare a report to share that, but it would be fascinating info to have. Note: it's just an indication: I've seen guys I've raced with that have much higher DR than me who are not necessarily faster according to K' score, and vice versa.

But, what I've gathered through my experiences in the last three or four months, since first joining online, is that at ~70 K' Speed Score, I am at least respectable in borderline A/B lobbies, so it seemed like a good place to be. The reality is to get to 70, I am having to post ~75 times (+2.5% or better, compared to the top time), so ultimately I am now targeting to keep moving it up to 75. The other reality is, that after 40 or so scores are included, it becomes harder and harder to move the number up, as your older slower times are included for quite some time.

For example, if I could just replace my worst 6 races' times with my current score's implied times, I would gain 2 points immediately. Or, if I just didn't start keeping track until 6 or 7 races later, than when I started (before I really knew what I was doing), same. But the scores are 'baked in' now and it is harder to eliminate the impact of them. It's all a good challenge, and I really like that @Milouse shared this system with us. It's also nice to give a little credibility when meeting people or introducing yourself, along with the SR score. DR is so impacted by other people, in many cases (getting punted over and over in Dailies for example) that it's a more 'pure' measure of your skill, at least if kept in context.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I'm not a judge, but it's a good reference for me: to have the score and to know what it means, then give a mark to improve on. "What is measured is done." So I try to improve on it one step at a time.



What I've found is that it's helpful to know where you stand, so that you are prepared for both the Daily Races and the FIA events. I keep track of it in more detail. I know that my score for Gr3 and Gr4 cars is different for example, so when I am in a practice session, I know where I need to be, to be competitive in my current DR range.

So when preparing for a Gr3 race, I know that I need to practice until I'm comfortably within 3% of the top time, repeatably, until I would be competitive in a race. For G4 races, I know that I need to be at least within 2.2% of the top time. And in practice, I watch that my 'optimum' time is under the target, and then I know that I just need to be repeatable, until I can achieve the target. If I'm not able to do that, I know that I need to change something about my lines or approach to the track. This sounds more complicated that it is... it's just nice to have a target.

(In the same way, during a race, I am much better and faster when trailing someone, even if I am able to keep up, than in the lead... some dogs just like to race in front, others like to be chasing... I'm the latter).

I did ask the great guy who manages the K' data (which is how I found this forum, but posting a question to his thread) if he could correlate the K' Speed Score to DR, to give an idea what is competitive at any range... but unfortunately that score is only done on query for any individual driver (when you load the page). And it's understandable that he doesn't prepare a report to share that, but it would be fascinating info to have. Note: it's just an indication: I've seen guys I've raced with that have much higher DR than me who are not necessarily faster according to K' score, and vice versa.

But, what I've gathered through my experiences in the last three or four months, since first joining online, is that at ~70 K' Speed Score, I am at least respectable in borderline A/B lobbies, so it seemed like a good place to be. The reality is to get to 70, I am having to post ~75 times (+2.5% or better, compared to the top time), so ultimately I am now targeting to keep moving it up to 75. The other reality is, that after 40 or so scores are included, it becomes harder and harder to move the number up, as your older slower times are included for quite some time.

For example, if I could just replace my worst 6 races' times with my current score's implied times, I would gain 2 points immediately. Or, if I just didn't start keeping track until 6 or 7 races later, than when I started (before I really knew what I was doing), same. But the scores are 'baked in' now and it is harder to eliminate the impact of them. It's all a good challenge, and I really like that @Milouse shared this system with us. It's also nice to give a little credibility when meeting people or introducing yourself, along with the SR score. DR is so impacted by other people, in many cases (getting punted over and over in Dailies for example) that it's a more 'pure' measure of your skill, at least if kept in context.

There are plenty of fast people that never qualifies. They never move their K-score up. AFAIK the K-score is only a measurement on your qualifying times. Race craft is a lot more important in my opinion.

 

[sdi_03]

Any tips how to get R18 regen / hybrid last better?
Was testing the daily C and cant get that regen last as long or recharge as fast as the top 10.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Monza and Le Sarthe in No chikane mode is classic C Territory

I would love a classic category to race the old GrC cars in... great idea.

There are plenty of fast people that never qualifies. They never move their K-score up. AFAIK the K-score is only a measurement on your qualifying times. Race craft is a lot more important in my opinion.

Of course. And it's true it's only Qualifying times. But as a measure of what pace you need to be competitive, it's the best way I've found, and provides the target not only for Dailies, but if the same approach is applied to the FIA races, I've found that really helpful in preparation. Otherwise, you are entering the FIA races somewhat blind as to the pace to shoot for.

My best FIA race results have been where I've hit my lap time marks repeatedly, clean races where my pace was on target. And this was how I established what pace was good. When I get in the race and see it bearing out, it's a big confidence boost, and you don't overdrive or hunt for speed that isn't there.

Sure, you also need to adapt to the race with 'race craft' of course. Letting faster guys past to catch a slipstream train at Monza, avoiding inevitable crashes between other guys battling unnecessarily in Daily races (how I got my latest win in Dailies... just let 1 and 2 take each other out after a massive brawl was boiling... even though I knew I was faster than both) optimizing the pit strategy, all good for finishing places and DR, no doubt. Also being adaptable so that if the qualifying line isn't available in a race situation, that you can still protect or close a gap.

An example: I got a track limits penalty with over 2 laps to go at Interlagos: I changed my strategy to use the Hards on only the last lap, instead came in with two to go, knowing my next lap was already compromised and that I would then have warm Hards to race on the last lap. You have to think on your toes for races, but it's good to have a reference point for pace as a baseline to work from.

 

[MIE1992]

Not even after a few laps of qualifying for Race A, I'm in the top 150 again - we'll see how long that lasts as the week goes by. I certainly know that I could improve, but I thought I saw the lights flicker and it spooked me, as I'm not gonna risk driving when I could have even the slightest chance of losing power!

 

[Neil1jnr]

St Croix C/CII would be perfect for Group C over LMP.

I've done a few races now on C using RCP90. I am about 1.5/2 sec a lap slower than the TS050 for example. But I am a low DR 'B' (and currently very low SR due to getting rammed!!!!) and you can get good racing against those using the quicker LMP1 cars.

 

[LVS_1986]

I'm not a judge, but it's a good reference for me: to have the score and to know what it means, then give a mark to improve on. "What is measured is done." So I try to improve on it one step at a time.



What I've found is that it's helpful to know where you stand, so that you are prepared for both the Daily Races and the FIA events. I keep track of it in more detail. I know that my score for Gr3 and Gr4 cars is different for example, so when I am in a practice session, I know where I need to be, to be competitive in my current DR range.

So when preparing for a Gr3 race, I know that I need to practice until I'm comfortably within 3% of the top time, repeatably, until I would be competitive in a race. For G4 races, I know that I need to be at least within 2.2% of the top time. And in practice, I watch that my 'optimum' time is under the target, and then I know that I just need to be repeatable, until I can achieve the target. If I'm not able to do that, I know that I need to change something about my lines or approach to the track. This sounds more complicated that it is... it's just nice to have a target.

(In the same way, during a race, I am much better and faster when trailing someone, even if I am able to keep up, than in the lead... some dogs just like to race in front, others like to be chasing... I'm the latter).

I did ask the great guy who manages the K' data (which is how I found this forum, but posting a question to his thread) if he could correlate the K' Speed Score to DR, to give an idea what is competitive at any range... but unfortunately that score is only done on query for any individual driver (when you load the page). And it's understandable that he doesn't prepare a report to share that, but it would be fascinating info to have. Note: it's just an indication: I've seen guys I've raced with that have much higher DR than me who are not necessarily faster according to K' score, and vice versa.

But, what I've gathered through my experiences in the last three or four months, since first joining online, is that at ~70 K' Speed Score, I am at least respectable in borderline A/B lobbies, so it seemed like a good place to be. The reality is to get to 70, I am having to post ~75 times (+2.5% or better, compared to the top time), so ultimately I am now targeting to keep moving it up to 75. The other reality is, that after 40 or so scores are included, it becomes harder and harder to move the number up, as your older slower times are included for quite some time.

For example, if I could just replace my worst 6 races' times with my current score's implied times, I would gain 2 points immediately. Or, if I just didn't start keeping track until 6 or 7 races later, than when I started (before I really knew what I was doing), same. But the scores are 'baked in' now and it is harder to eliminate the impact of them. It's all a good challenge, and I really like that @Milouse shared this system with us. It's also nice to give a little credibility when meeting people or introducing yourself, along with the SR score. DR is so impacted by other people, in many cases (getting punted over and over in Dailies for example) that it's a more 'pure' measure of your skill, at least if kept in context.

Yes definietly its great tool, guy is doing great job!

 

[MIE1992]

I would love a classic category to race the old GrC cars in... great idea.

I think they're fine in Gr.1, it's just that we need to see more races where only a segment of cars within a class are available, rather than always permitting every car from a class to enter when a race features said class. Some examples that come to mind were the races that only permit the FF Gr.4 cars, or some older races that featured various late 90s/early 00s JDM cars. If such a race did exist, where we could only use the Group C cars, I'd have it set at Le Mans, sans the chicanes. But other courses could be fun with those cars, too, like Fuji Short or even Tokyo South.

 

[koshmare]

This week hot laps

 

[LVS_1986]

Any tips how to get R18 regen / hybrid last better?
Was testing the daily C and cant get that regen last as long or recharge as fast as the top 10.

BB +5

 

[MIE1992]

I'm frankly still a bit dumbfounded I qualified for 8th in my first race this week at Goodwood, despite having such a good time of 1:41.650, which currently has me at 164th in my region. But I'm confident I'll qualify higher later-on, as I saw some potential room for self-improvement, not to mention that I only have entered a single race so far, for this week.

EDIT: For what it is worth, I ended up finishing 5th in that race, so that's pretty nice!