"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[SlowDriver87]

Wow i was wrong about the Atenza at Gardens, proving to be the fastest car I have used. I ran one race in the mid 32's which is right on the edge for me anyway as I qualied with a 32.4.

Having some deathly boring races for some reason, top 2 to 3 are a smidge too fast, cannot quite catch them, rest are too slow.

Weird. Still, slowly getting that DR to 35K which is about 10K more than my true pace but I keep my nose clean and see trouble coming. As an example, I saw the leader take a huge spin and he returned to the track just ahead of me, I could have passed him if I forced the issue but remember he qualified with like a 1.31.1 and would just re-pas me so figured let him be and see if he can slow the 3 guys in front of me down as they squabble.

Sure enough, I finish second as one guy fell off the road and the other was massively slowed down during predicted squabbles.

Good work! This is encouraging for me as my best time for Dragon Trail Gardens is 1:31.911 in the AMG which I think is 2 seconds off the top time. I'm at 24k DR after a few horrific races over the last few days, so this gives me some hope.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Good work! This is encouraging for me as my best time for Dragon Trail Gardens is 1:31.911 in the AMG which I think is 2 seconds off the top time. I'm at 24k DR after a few horrific races over the last few days, so this gives me some hope.

I am a big fan of the Merc but cannot turn a lap at Gardens with it, simply changes direction too slow for me. There's a lot of left/tight/left at Gardens.

Pace wise I am a high B DR, maybe 27K or so i reakon. I get to the low to mid 30's through patience and not falling off the road.

 

[baygencos]

Here ia a good example of DR gain in race C I just finished. Finished 4th . Door number 11. DR up by 1K in a single race. An A rated driver won ( his QT 1.36.4) so he prob quite high up A. Another A finished 5th, in the Audi i overtook him in the pits. Winner!

I started 8th and had a clean race bonus but im thinking those 2 have no bearing on DR. Am i correct there?

I believe cr has an effect on the points you get for the race result. You can win a race with an sr down and gain almost no points, 50-80 points maybe but with a cr it is 700 points. I may be wrong tho. There is much to the dr algorithm.

 

[SlowDriver87]

I am a big fan of the Merc but cannot turn a lap at Gardens with it, simply changes direction too slow for me. There's a lot of left/tight/left at Gardens.

Pace wise I am a high B DR, maybe 27K or so i reakon. I get to the low to mid 30's through patience and not falling off the road.

I just had a go of the Atenza and whilst I need some more practice it definitely turns a lot sharper than the AMG. It seems to be a good all rounder without sacrificing too much straight line speed like the RSR.

 

[baygencos]

If an A driver finish 12th in a mostly B grid may lose 700 dr points but same A pilot finished 12th in a A+, A grid may lose 300 points.
I also believe that the door number reflects the expected finish place for the driver. So finishing at that place do not gain or lose much points. Stand to be corrected.

 

[Jwptexas]

Another good day in the Ford GT so far... (9 straight clean races) and podium with each of them and few wins. Mixed lobbies B/A/A+/S. I'm telling you I've never had racing this clean. Even if mistakes are made guys own up to it and apologize and chalk it up to hard racing.

I'm currently A+ with DS4. 55k DR

I swear I could be much better if I didn't get so many disconnects. Sometimes losing 1500 DR then spend hours getting that back to break even for the day!

I keep getting stuck with #1 door plate every single race kind of annoying

 

[Dairyworker]

Unless you are going for the fia races and want the highest rating possible, understandably. Ignore the ratings, and just race like you would if it was your real weekend hobby. That's what i do. I have a pretty consistent 99 sr and have recently got into A+. There are bad races here and there, but just worry about yourself and your race. I spent many days racing mid pack, it will help in the long run. Just race the guy in front of you, don't worry about the rest.

 

[Jwptexas]

Totally agree with you. I committed to this a few weeks ago, and saw 9 straight 'days' of increased DR... was working like a charm. I broke down and jumped into some Dailies again, and, well, 2 steps forward, 1 step back again. Gonna have to re-commit to the concept or start a second account, which I didn't want to do (a lot of additional investment, and summer is here, so probably not happening).

And you're also absolutely right about the qualifying thing: that's exactly what I've found: A) you really need to qualify better to start dailies in the front, or you never move up in DR. But B: as soon as you do, you're matched with a bunch of guys who can run away from you when the flag drops, A and A+ guys who just take everyone else's DR home with them every race... it's maddening. I'll suffer at the hands of mid-pack dive-bombers for race after race, put in an hour's worth of time to get a really good qualifying time, then excitedly join a race with my new time within 1.5% of the top time, only to see I'm gridded 12th out of 16 for example, against 3 A+ guys and a bunch of others.

It could have something to do with what time of the day/week that you get on and enter daily races.

Example. I had the day off today and I'm assuming not much traffic because it's usually few A+ drivers and couple S ranks then all B rated drivers with my SR 99. Later on in the day I start to qualify further and further back as better drives start to hop in.

It's a risky business though cause if god forbid you dump the car and end up last you'll erase entire days worth of work all those DR points go right to those B drivers!

 

[Jwptexas]

Thank you for explaining so thoroughly! Really appreciate it

Just finished a few races with you! 123 finish every time

 

[Teggert205]

I’ve been handing out, and beeing robbed off my DR all afternoon in mid-B DR in daily race B. So many contacts, and if I did not get punted off I helped myself as the R8 outside of qualy is turning out to be a little twitchy for me Atleast I ended it off with a win, not the biggest surprise after turning out 3k DR

 

[Pigems]

I believe cr has an effect on the points you get for the race result. You can win a race with an sr down and gain almost no points, 50-80 points maybe but with a cr it is 700 points. I may be wrong tho. There is much to the dr algorithm.

There is a thread somewhere with all the details @Famine knows.

A quick explanation.

Door numbers mean little when you or other in the room are below DR.B (below 10,000 DR)
Door number is your DR reverse sorted alphabetically, 9 gets door number one, 8,000 comes after 900, etc.

The formula for DR is

You gain 80 points from each driver you finish ahead of, adjusted for the difference in your DR vs the other driver's DR

80 + (DR difference / 500) for each driver.

If your DR is higher you get less points (minimum 1)
If your DR is lower you get more points (maximum 160)

It's a zero sum exchange, so in reverse you give 80 points to each driver you finish behind.
(You can't end up below 1 yet still give out the points you owe, technically not zero sum, point inflation happens at the bottom)
Disconnecting counts as finishing last (you still give points to those who do stay connected until the end)

To get off the ground, you'll need to finish about half way up. It depends on the room though and who you beat. If you get matched with an A/S driver who crashes or disconnect, you'll get 160 points from that driver alone.

SR is a tricky subject especially now penalties have harsh SR deductions while still being assigned wrong far more often than not.
SR is the first factor in matchmaking and is the reason why the competition often seems completely unfair.

Any SR Down (penalty or not), getting the orange SR Down arrow for contact with another car deducts 10 SR.
Race A and B usually only give out 4 to 6 SR for a clean race, Race C nowadays is worth around 12 points per race.
This combined with penalties being assigned wrongly most of the time, does not guarantee any better racing at SR.S than at SR.C :/

In my experience, racing as DR.B SR.C is much better nowadays than at DR.A SR.S, sad but it's been like that for a couple months now.
Time of day, whether you do Race A/B or C make a big difference in where your SR goes, it has little left to do with sportmanship or driving by generally accepted racing rules. https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

Matchmaking works by collecting all entries between 90 and 99 SR, sort on DR, create rooms.
Then collect all entries between 80 and 89 SR, sort on DR, add the highest DR to the left over spots in the last room created and continue.

This results in for example getting rooms like
1. A+/S90+ to B/S90+
2. B/S90+ to D/S90+
3. A+/S80+ with D/S90+ (the last D/S90+ room had spots left over which get filled with the highest DR in 80-89 range creating a A+ with D room)
4. A/S80+ to C/S80+
5. A/S70+ with C/S80+ to D/S80+ (the last 80-89 SR room had spots left over which get filled by the highest DR in 70-79 range)
etc

Matchmaking only really works in the 90 to 99 SR room, the rest all easily get messed up due to how the server fills up rooms.
Still when there aren't that many entries the top room is usually A+/S90+ to D/S90+, you don't stand a chance.

SR.B is the largest group, which makes the competition the closest. Most people to choose from to make evenly matched rooms. That is, if it weren't for DR resets and alt accounts coming through. (people that are labeled DR.B but drive like DR.A or A+)

Closer matched in pace also means more chance at contact and bad penalties, hence SR.B is such a difficult place to advance from.


Head spinning yet?

Don't worry too much about SR, D/S is the most demotivating place to be, usually getting matched with rabbits that are impossible to catch leading to getting timed out before the finish. D/S is only good for maintaining SR.99 since the field spreads out so quickly reducing chance of contact.

 

[Jwptexas]

My head hurts trying to understand all of that, lol! Best races for me was when I was D/S rank qualifying with A+ guys and winning. All I got after the races was a bunch of question marks from other drivers ????? They are quick to run you over as well if you can't keep the pace!

 

[SlowDriver87]

That’s it for me this week. I’ve had 10 races on race B today and had a leash 6 of them ruined by idiots. DR has been up and down like a yo-yo and I haven’t got anywhere.

 

[Pigems]

My head hurts trying to understand all of that, lol! Best races for me was when I was D/S rank qualifying with A+ guys and winning. All I got after the races was a bunch of question marks from other drivers ????? They are quick to run you over as well if you can't keep the pace!

It took @Sven Jurgens over 10k races to come to those conclusions, don’t feel bad about not understanding it all right away, it’s a lot to take in.

 

[Famine]

I believe cr has an effect on the points you get for the race result. You can win a race with an sr down and gain almost no points, 50-80 points maybe but with a cr it is 700 points. I may be wrong tho. There is much to the dr algorithm.

It has zero effect. How DR changes is established and well known.

For every driver you finish ahead of you gain 80 DR plus ((their DR - your DR)/500).
For every driver you finish behind you lose 80 DR plus ((your DR - their DR)/500).

I also believe that the door number reflects the expected finish place for the driver. So finishing at that place do not gain or lose much points. Stand to be corrected.

It does not work like that. The number on your car is your DR rank in that lobby, but it's alphabetically sorted (so 9 would be higher than 80,000) - although that makes no difference once you get to the B ranking and above 10,000 DR.

It has no bearing on what happens to your DR after the race. If your door number is 20 and you finish 20th, you'll lose DR. In fact you'll probably lose DR even if you finished 11th, because more drivers finished ahead of you than behind you - you'd gain DR from nine players and lose it to ten - though it depends on the DR score of those drivers compared to your own.

 

[Jwptexas]

That’s it for me this week. I’ve had 10 races on race B today and had a leash 6 of them ruined by idiots. DR has been up and down like a yo-yo and I haven’t got anywhere.

Try and pick up little more time.... it'll help a bunch. Mess with your sensitivity settings. Run 5 laps high then lower as needed. 1:31.900 is good enough for 500+ but if you can manage 1:31.300 you'll be around top 100. That's all the difference.

It took @Sven Jurgens over 10k races to come to those conclusions, don’t feel bad about not understanding it all right away, it’s a lot to take in.

That guy is a legend around here I bet!

 

[Pigems]

That guy is a legend around here I bet!

That he is, he did most of it no Qually too. 👍

 

[NevilleNobody]

That’s it for me this week. I’ve had 10 races on race B today and had a leash 6 of them ruined by idiots. DR has been up and down like a yo-yo and I haven’t got anywhere.

Problem with gardens is the chicane. To turn a lap you must slow down for the right hand entry and moron after moron after moron sees that as a chance to bomb in. Idiot, that's helping NO ONE. All that does is slow us both down (if we survive, and we usually don't) for the long straight and we get eaten into the hairpin.

The lack of race craft is amazing, some proper quys who are absolutely cluseless. The other spot is the final left of the left/right/left mid way through the lap, buddy, you cannot pass here because the ONLY line is slow entry and nailing the exit, so just get me after the 4 right handers, and you will if you stay close. So dumb.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Next week's Daily Races:

A- Alsace II w/ N200. 3 laps.

B - Laguna Seca w/ Gr. 4. 5 laps.

C - Fuji w/ Gr. 3. 12 laps. Racing Medium, Hard. Fuel x2, Tires x8.

 

[FANCY CLOWN]

B - Laguna Seca w/ Gr. 4. 5 laps.

Well, time to dust off the ol' RCZ.

 

[bigkrokodil]

Nice! Would love to do each of those combos. Unless fwd is dominant is race b.

Next week's Daily Races:

A- Alsace II w/ N200. 3 laps.

B - Laguna Seca w/ Gr. 4. 5 laps.

C - Fuji w/ Gr. 3. 12 laps. Racing Medium, Hard. Fuel x2, Tires x8.

 

[bigkrokodil]

For me R18 is couple tenth quicker in quali lap than TS050.
That is when I am able to carry good speed through the turns with R18. Overslowing leads to need to accelerate more, which drains a battery. This leads to not enough hybrid on a last straight before finish line.
R18 is sharper and more fun, but TS is way more tolerant to imperfection.

Thank you.

Watched a few R18 lap and hybrid guides last night and saw just how much stronger the hybrid is...while you've got it...but the way the wheels have to be squared up to activate it means I'd have to tweak my driving style quite a lot. Possibly a bit too much for my liking.

I only managed to do about 10 laps in the TS yesterday and they were at the end of running all the Group C cars so I'll give it a proper run out tomorrow. A bit more commitment (and retries) should see a mid 26 so I'll get that first then have a go with the Audi on Sunday.

 

[Redneckchef]

Looks like a week of race A unless there is something that can really challenge the RCZ at LS. I am tired of getting totally trounced at Fuji.

 

[MIE1992]

For Race A, I cut down my time by about 0.6, down to 1:40.235!!

 

[x5abotagex86]

Oh Laguna! Haven’t done that one since GT3, wonder if I still suck at the high speed turns before the S..

 

[Rosty_14]

I haven’t been able to play barely anything this week. Looking forward next week and try some of next week combos, all are new to me anyways .

 

[HaydenFan69]

Oh Laguna! Haven’t done that one since GT3, wonder if I still suck at the high speed turns before the S..

It’s all about rthym. Take it easy. Always my key to Laguna.

Plus you’ll like that they have opened up the hill leading to the corkscrew. So you don’t feel like you’re being funneled into a meat grinder.

Didn’t we just have a GR 4 race at Laguna? Not that I’m complaining.

 

[SlowDriver87]

Try and pick up little more time.... it'll help a bunch. Mess with your sensitivity settings. Run 5 laps high then lower as needed. 1:31.900 is good enough for 500+ but if you can manage 1:31.300 you'll be around top 100. That's all the difference.



That guy is a legend around here I bet!

Cheers mate. I managed to get my time down to 1:31.784 and had a few good races, but I still encountered a few idiots. I'm really struggling to better that time although I've gone close a few times. I got my DR up a little bit since my mini meltdown earlier too. I felt like frisbeeing the disc down the road!

Problem with gardens is the chicane. To turn a lap you must slow down for the right hand entry and moron after moron after moron sees that as a chance to bomb in. Idiot, that's helping NO ONE. All that does is slow us both down (if we survive, and we usually don't) for the long straight and we get eaten into the hairpin.

The lack of race craft is amazing, some proper quys who are absolutely cluseless. The other spot is the final left of the left/right/left mid way through the lap, buddy, you cannot pass here because the ONLY line is slow entry and nailing the exit, so just get me after the 4 right handers, and you will if you stay close. So dumb.

I find it's the hairpin after the 1st sector and the last corner that are the main idiot zones. I find myself going narrow sometimes to stop myself getting T boned but then I just get punted in to the wall by Danny Ricciardo wannabes. I suppose a circuit like Nordschleife would be a good option for a daily race as it's tight and windy. It's one reason why I like Suzuka as it takes a bit more skill than the average circuit. Having said that I had two races ruined by dive bombers at Suzuka in the Nations Cup earlier in the week.

 

[05XR8]

Was racing nice and clean. C7 wasn't bad. NIce smooth car. Then, a Supra that pushed a couple people off, hits me from the rear. Going two-wide with a Beetle, into the final couple corners, I'm on the outside. I'm going to brake early. I let off the gas and coast to start slowing down. BAM! C'mon man. I drop to last again and the Supra picks up the penalty.

Someone must have had enough and punted it. It's into the side barrier before the PZ.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

My daily 'race' was being out cycling again. Bloody hot here. (Should cool down a bit tomorrow). Anyway was there another update? I just downloaded a new game last week (haven't played yet) so currently don't even have the room to update GTS :/ Next week's line up looks bleh again so no problem. Oddly, for doing avg 13 races a day for years, I thought I would have missed it more...

Kids still home (since early March) and going to bed later and later leaves no quiet time to race. 6 months not going to school, never seen that before.