"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[ii_Biggles_ii]

I'm not the only person who said at the start after the penalty system was changed to predict it would cause many problems. Lots of us have seen the results of the changes over the years. Unfortunately most of the bad elements are now steadily becoming normal gameplay.

My take on the changes is that it was undertaken to try stop people leaving the game and 2 reasons behind it. Firstly the delay GT7 which they were hoping would see most migrate to the new game myself included secondly it was a combination of trying to keep players from leaving the games and the outrage online from YouTube streamers and in forums like this. PD, like any developer fears that someone else will take their portion of the market. I will probably stick with GT7 when it comes out as I have played it for so long and not that I don't like to change but I have bought other games like ACC and F1 last year and wish I could have my money back as they are way too messy to play as a casual player.

I fully respect people's choices when it comes to playing the game the way they want to and adapting to the idiots that will always been in every online game. Like many others I try to keep it clean and still have some great races. Starting races B & C from the back before qualifying is a real eye opener to the negative impact the changes have played, after I had qualified you then more often than not were in the middle of the madness trying to play fair when more around you just don't give a ****. Human reaction in to get revenge if you can after all you have been wronged and the perpetrators have driven off down the track having ruined your race. I did a lot more races yesterday that in the last week due to having some time to killing some were great fun and some you just could not wait until the checkered flag. The game has changed and so has how we all approach playing it. I play fair but now deal with the likes of the guy who punted me 3 times in race C and everyone else very differently that I did a few weeks ago.

Lastly I have noticed some heated debates on the forum over how some people retaliated on the track to extract some justice on some of these idiots. At the end of the day this is just a game, if you a streamer on YouTube or Twitch and have big audiences who donate then you have to play fair as its helping you make a living and I have respect for these guys as I have learned so much from them over time. Racing with people you know you will always race clean as you know they will too but apart from a lobby that seldom happens in the Daily races. So you are left with a random bunch of players and usually the names you recognise are because their dirty players more often that the guy you had a great clean race against. My point is that everyone is entitled to play the game as they see fit in each race and to their own opinion on here and just because you disagree this doesn't not mean either party is right or wrong, I stayed out of the "View on this Move" thread to it got too hot and heavy, have been on forums online since they first started and left many because of bullying that was going on over stupid stuff. Remember this is just my take and I know some will agreeing some not but that's makes us all different.

Sorry for edits never good doing posts from table without glasses on.

 

[05XR8]

Had that punT guy in my A/S race. He's been B/S in the 86 all week. I started ahead of him and when we get to the up hill after the underpass and into the final turn, a Slophy dives up my inside. Then, the 86 punts me off. Full speed. We both go into the kitty litter.

From there I pull away in the M4, but this clown always starts on RS to wreak havoc on RM players. He catches up around Lap 4. Into the same sequence of corners. Can't quite hit me. So in the final chicane, I brake check him. Slams into me and impedes his progress. Gives me a 4 second buffer to pull away.

He decides to stay out as some of us pit lap 6. Dude waits for me as three of us(2 Slophys and me) exit T1. Tries to brake check me, but I jig left and then hit him on his driver's door. That's the end of him.

After the race, a couple players are "yelling" at him, for ruining their race, due to him being at the back of the field and attacking players. Even took the 1 minute penalty. Just does not care.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Had that punT guy in my A/S race. He's been B/S in the 86 all week. I started ahead of him and when we get to the up hill after the underpass and into the final turn, a Slophy dives up my inside. Then, the 86 punts me off. Full speed. We both go into the kitty litter.

From there I pull away in the M4, but this clown always starts on RS to wreak havoc on RM players. He catches up around Lap 4. Into the same sequence of corners. Can't quite hit me. So in the final chicane, I brake check him. Slams into me and impedes his progress. Gives me a 4 second buffer to pull away.

He decides to stay out as some of us pit lap 6. Dude waits for me as three of us(2 Slophys and me) exit T1. Tries to brake check me, but I jig left and then hit him on his driver's door. That's the end of him.

After the race, a couple players are "yelling" at him, for ruining their race, due to him being at the back of the field and attacking players. Even took the 1 minute penalty. Just does not care.

Not much you can do really but good when they get what they deserve.

 

[05XR8]

Not much you can do really but good when they get what they deserve.

Exactly.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Does anyone else feel the real change at the weekends when some people that only get online then start playing. I find it crazy sometimes early in the day like my 1st race C, rammed off the track from Q4 to 15th on first lap but played the long game and finished 5th 0.005 off fastest lap whereas rammers fastest time 3 seconds slower, more fun later but not doing the nations as it will be too messy.

 

[D_Dragline]

Had that punT guy in my A/S race. He's been B/S in the 86 all week. I started ahead of him and when we get to the up hill after the underpass and into the final turn, a Slophy dives up my inside. Then, the 86 punts me off. Full speed. We both go into the kitty litter.

From there I pull away in the M4, but this clown always starts on RS to wreak havoc on RM players. He catches up around Lap 4. Into the same sequence of corners. Can't quite hit me. So in the final chicane, I brake check him. Slams into me and impedes his progress. Gives me a 4 second buffer to pull away.

He decides to stay out as some of us pit lap 6. Dude waits for me as three of us(2 Slophys and me) exit T1. Tries to brake check me, but I jig left and then hit him on his driver's door. That's the end of him.

After the race, a couple players are "yelling" at him, for ruining their race, due to him being at the back of the field and attacking players. Even took the 1 minute penalty. Just does not care.

Dude is a waste of oxygen. I’m very happy you served him appropriately. If you look up his k prime chart it is VERY easy to pinpoint exactly when the penalty system changed.

There seriously needs to be an effective way to get him banned. All he is doing is ruining the game.

 

[05XR8]

Not for nothing, but one player was even asking him to apologise for ruining his/her race. The player typed, "Please apologise". It goes that deep for some players.

Might have to do that "#MYGTMOMENT", as suggested by a member. Plain silly behaviour.

 

[Rexracer702]

I really wish we could do liveries in race A. I would do a cop car livery, run from the back, and take care of any bullies I see playing dirty. I still might do it with no livery. I guess my biggest problem is that I don't practice that behavior enough to be good at it. The pit manuever is probably my best bet in A since the cars are tail happy anyways, so spinning them is usually safe and easy if so inclined. Added benefit (I know from experience!) is that when someone does that to you, it usually takes a lap for the tires to come back so you can carry corner speed.

 

[NoStopN]

Another factor to consider, for every time you have been taken out by a punter. A punter has taken someone in front or behind you out to your advantage.

I'll admit, I've likely benefited more from punters taking other drivers out than from me getting taken out. But, every driver has to ask "why me?" when they get targeted.

That's the thing, I'm in it to watch my replays. The punter ruins that, for my enjoyment.

I thought I was the only one. I can't get enough of the outside view of the car as I pull off a sweet overtake. I've been drooling like Homer Simpson just watching the Mustang exit the CoD & hopping the curbs all week.

@D_Dragline, I can commiserate. Take a little break. OK, commiseration done. I can assure you, your punter-nemesis is not losing any sleep as he does not care about you but only about his bullying victories. And now there are more bullies. Just need to find a way past this and I admit that I am struggling and it is hard to get a clean race.

My best advice: work on qualifying. Ignore the back to front challenge. If I'm the best driver in the room, I want others to know it. If (like this week) I set a good QT & start on pole with some of the same guys repeatedly, they will strive to outrace me. They will choose to improve their QT. This leads to good battles. Whether you get good continuous battles is between the maturity & experience levels of all drivers involved. I have a couple of races that were interesting from this week where there was an incredible amount of respect between drivers going for the lead. But, this shows the better players are up front for the longest time. They work to improve & get out of the mid-pack, where trouble festers.

 

[D_Dragline]

Not for nothing, but one player was even asking him to apologise for ruining his/her race. The player typed, "Please apologise". It goes that deep for some players.

Might have to do that "#MYGTMOMENT", as suggested by a member. Plain silly behaviour.

People are onto him in a big way. I raced 2 races with him tonight. In the first I paused at turn 1 and he attempted to punt and went straight on by. After the race he got called out by a few angry racers and called me a coward. Someone was salty

Race 2 he tangled with a couple of guys who look out for each other and one of them gave him a very solid taste of his own medicine. There were some choice words exchanged afterwards as well.

I have started warning people he’s a cheat in the pre-race chat. It seems to be getting the desired result.

I also have a sneaking suspicion he might be lurking in this forum because of a comment he made post race 2.

If so, your life will be much better when you learn to respect other people my friend.

 

[BenRod]

I really wish we could do liveries in race A. I would do a cop car livery, run from the back, and take care of any bullies I see playing dirty. I still might do it with no livery. I guess my biggest problem is that I don't practice that behavior enough to be good at it. The pit manuever is probably my best bet in A since the cars are tail happy anyways, so spinning them is usually safe and easy if so inclined. Added benefit (I know from experience!) is that when someone does that to you, it usually takes a lap for the tires to come back so you can carry corner speed.

I need a car that looks like a referee's jersey, and then another one advertising armed security escort services.

 

[Rexracer702]

I'll admit, I've likely benefited more from punters taking other drivers out than from me getting taken out. But, every driver has to ask "why me?" when they get targeted.



I thought I was the only one. I can't get enough of the outside view of the car as I pull off a sweet overtake. I've been drooling like Homer Simpson just watching the Mustang exit the CoD & hopping the curbs all week.



My best advice: work on qualifying. Ignore the back to front challenge. If I'm the best driver in the room, I want others to know it. If (like this week) I set a good QT & start on pole with some of the same guys repeatedly, they will strive to outrace me. They will choose to improve their QT. This leads to good battles. Whether you get good continuous battles is between the maturity & experience levels of all drivers involved. I have a couple of races that were interesting from this week where there was an incredible amount of respect between drivers going for the lead. But, this shows the better players are up front for the longest time. They work to improve & get out of the mid-pack, where trouble festers.

I don't really race from the back for a "back to front challenge", though it may enter my thinking. I've been in MANY races where I'm top 3, and it SEEMS they guys I'm racing with are clean, until I make a clean pass and take a position, then BUMP to knock me wide mid corner, BUMP to send me to the dirt at the hairpin. It may not be as flagrant, but it's there. Had a guy launch me at the downhill hairpin in race C earlier this week, I said WTF in chat after, he appologised, then next race, same spot from.8 back, he launched me though the sand and beyond. So I'm under pressure trying to go fast at the front, find an opening, and watching my mirror and radar trying to avoid the punt. The mid corner bumps are unavoidable, and often cost multiple positions if you're trying to be clean. When I race from the back, there is no pressure. I can relax, and enjoy (usually). I take my time, I make my passes, I get into battles with clean drivers, and if someone is dirty, or blocking and brake checking, and I don't want to, or can't just pass and run, then I'll serve it back, and I don't care where I finish to do it. I've learned more racecraft, and speed secrets from racing from the back than anything else in the game (thanks again @Sven Jurgens ). BTW, I often get into rooms where my best Q time would only put me up a couple spots from where I am with no Q. Mid to high B/S is tough now, with a lot of good drivers and similar speeds. I often suffer because I refuse to drive the FF meta's that tend to dominate the GR4 class...at least it's better at many tracks now. After work today, I may try to get some DR on my main, but if it's bad, I'll have fun battling from the back, and if you're dirty, I might have to pull you over!

 

[NoStopN]

BTW, I often get into rooms where my best Q time would only put me up a couple spots from where I am with no Q. Mid to high B/S is tough now, with a lot of good drivers and similar speeds. I often suffer because I refuse to drive the FF meta's that tend to dominate the GR4 class...at least it's better at many tracks now. After work today, I may try to get some DR on my main, but if it's bad, I'll have fun battling from the back, and if you're dirty, I might have to pull you over!

I can sympathize about the B/S rooms. Just being DR B at any SR level is tough. I've risen from B/C slowly to B/A with less than 10 races this week. But if you gained craftsmanship from racing from the back but still qualify mid-pack, I think you know where you need to practice now. If @Sven Jurgens helped with in race driving, let @Mistah_MCA help with qualifying. On a related, yet unrelated topic, in the rooms I've raced & started on pole, I've gotten lucky enough to escape the turn 1, lap 1 carnage. Having the pole position has led to a less stressful time heading for the CoD. No tailgaters, no side-by-side challenge, no punters. I like this strategy the best of any that I've tried.

 

[05XR8]

I'll admit, I've likely benefited more from punters taking other drivers out than from me getting taken out. But, every driver has to ask "why me?" when they get targeted.



I thought I was the only one. I can't get enough of the outside view of the car as I pull off a sweet overtake. I've been drooling like Homer Simpson just watching the Mustang exit the CoD & hopping the curbs all week.



My best advice: work on qualifying. Ignore the back to front challenge. If I'm the best driver in the room, I want others to know it. If (like this week) I set a good QT & start on pole with some of the same guys repeatedly, they will strive to outrace me. They will choose to improve their QT. This leads to good battles. Whether you get good continuous battles is between the maturity & experience levels of all drivers involved. I have a couple of races that were interesting from this week where there was an incredible amount of respect between drivers going for the lead. But, this shows the better players are up front for the longest time. They work to improve & get out of the mid-pack, where trouble festers.

Ever since walking by a game store and seeing a GT1 demo of an EG Civic, versus a C5 Corvette, at Grand Valley, I was hooked on GT replays. The lean the cars had in the corners, was too realistic back then.

As for qualifying, I check the first couple races. This week, I noticed what the Renault players do. They block the right side. As you get alongside, they lightly side bump. Then, in the braking area, they move left as you're braking so you can't turn in. It increases the outside player's brake distance and they can't get unstuck.

The outside player doesn't necessarily take a trip into the kitty litter, but it makes the outside player have to nearly come to a complete stop. Watched some replays and it was a normal occurence by some rising sun players in the same cars.

Once I improved my qualifying this week, I've been on pole for four races and won each of them. Taking my total to 13 wins at Autopolis.
One loss from Pole was having that 4C in P2 on RS. Can not catch that car. Ever.
Slophys can't catch me on either tyre. The Genesis is a weapon.

Now, Monday, don't know what to try. Might go AWD only. Atenza, EVO, GT-R, Huracan, WRX, Veyron.

 

[Rexracer702]

I can sympathize about the B/S rooms. Just being DR B at any SR level is tough. I've risen from B/C slowly to B/A with less than 10 races this week. But if you gained craftsmanship from racing from the back but still qualify mid-pack, I think you know where you need to practice now. If @Sven Jurgens helped with in race driving, let @Mistah_MCA help with qualifying. On a related, yet unrelated topic, in the rooms I've raced & started on pole, I've gotten lucky enough to escape the turn 1, lap 1 carnage. Having the pole position has led to a less stressful time heading for the CoD. No tailgaters, no side-by-side challenge, no punters. I like this strategy the best of any that I've tried.

I think you misunderstand. Like many here, I have good combos, and bad combos, but qualifying mid pack is not the issue. If I spend time qualifying (time is always an issue), I can often get within 1 second of the top times in the region. On "good" combos, I can knock on the top 10. I've had dozen of 3 star wins, but if I have a runaway, I might as well run hot laps. I like the challenge of setting up a pass, and an not a huge fan of pole position in daily races. I've had 230 poles out of 1463 races on my main, so I've had my share. That being said, I may hop in the Alfa at autopolis and try to qualify better. Haven't hot lapped there yet this week, just 1 or 2 laps in the pre race, so there's a lot of room to improve, and I always enjoy the Alfa.

 

[BigSarj]

All day, I've been giving people room and they knock me off, anyway. So many races where I qualify top 3 and end up at the back before the first lap is done.

 

[05XR8]

Thanks for the jinx.
Started 4th. Had to take to the grass because, the P3 NSX doesn't turn into the corner.

Fell to last and drove up to 9th. NSX finished P2. I could have been up there.

Edit: Tried the 86 twice and jumped back in the Atenza. All three races were clean. All the players around me were courteous and we all stayed on the racing line. Only when a proper overtake opportunity came, passes were made. No holding each other up and we all made sure to keep pace. Can't say much else. I mean, 86, Slophy, WRX, Huracan, racing together, pitting same time. Racing hard and fair, while giving room. That's how Sport Mode should be.

Moving to next week. Trying these:

 

[Rexracer702]

Drove the Alfa at Autopolis and managed a 49.666 in qualifying, but I had a feeling about racing it, so started at the back with my alt. First race with it, so started on softs. Works for 6 laps, switch to hards. Got as high as 6th on the mediums before I got booted by a slophy. This thing is sketchy on mediums, and once it bakes the tires in a slide, the rears are like ice. Fun car to race, but dangerous. You're very vulnerable to bullies since once they turn you sideways (not hard), the car really handles bad, and the rears stay overheated forever. 3 races without a good finish, but some some really good racing. It's a shame that maybe 20% of the drivers have to ruin it for everyone.

 

[pennanton]

Drove the Alfa at Autopolis and managed a 49.666 in qualifying, but I had a feeling about racing it, so started at the back with my alt. First race with it, so started on softs. Works for 6 laps, switch to hards. Got as high as 6th on the mediums before I got booted by a slophy. This thing is sketchy on mediums, and once it bakes the tires in a slide, the rears are like ice. Fun car to race, but dangerous. You're very vulnerable to bullies since once they turn you sideways (not hard), the car really handles bad, and the rears stay overheated forever. 3 races without a good finish, but some some really good racing. It's a shame that maybe 20% of the drivers have to ruin it for everyone.

I drove Alfa a few seasons ago in FIA, and I honestly don't remember the Gr4 being so erratic as it was when I gave it a go yesterday in this combo.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Thanks for the jinx.
Started 4th. Had to take to the grass because, the P3 NSX doesn't turn into the corner.

Fell to last and drove up to 9th. NSX finished P2. I could have been up there.

Edit: Tried the 86 twice and jumped back in the Atenza. All three races were clean. All the players around me were courteous and we all stayed on the racing line. Only when a proper overtake opportunity came, passes were made. No holding each other up and we all made sure to keep pace. Can't say much else. I mean, 86, Slophy, WRX, Huracan, racing together, pitting same time. Racing hard and fair, while giving room. That's how Sport Mode should be.

Moving to next week. Trying these:

You really get mixed bag depending on the drivers you meet. Got bumped a few times and had a pole to flag win and clean race to finish the day off nicely. In one race bumped from 4th at start of 2nd lap and battled back up from 14th to have a great battle for 5th with a guy where we traded lots of paint in close racing swapping positions a few times but never trying to push each other off and it was how it should be, exchanged complaints after as we had so much fun. With the old penalty system we both would have gotten penalties so in this way the changes are good, the guy who punted me off on lap 2 didn't get a penalty and finished 3rd so I checked the reply and he was dirty the whole race. Still I will take the close fun race I had for 5th with the other guy any day and even enjoyed it more that the win I got later as closest anyone was to me was at the end of the first lap at 1.3sec and then the pressure was off and I could just drive cleanly which in a way made it a bit boring.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

You really get mixed bag depending on the drivers you meet. Got bumped a few times and had a pole to flag win and clean race to finish the day off nicely. In one race bumped from 4th at start of 2nd lap and battled back up from 14th to have a great battle for 5th with a guy where we traded lots of paint in close racing swapping positions a few times but never trying to push each other off and it was how it should be, exchanged complaints after as we had so much fun. With the old penalty system we both would have gotten penalties so in this way the changes are good, the guy who punted me off on lap 2 didn't get a penalty and finished 3rd so I checked the reply and he was dirty the whole race. Still I will take the close fun race I had for 5th with the other guy any day and even enjoyed it more that the win I got later as closest anyone was to me was at the end of the first lap at 1.3sec and then the pressure was off and I could just drive cleanly which in a way made it a bit boring.

Most likely the dirty driver wouldn't get a penalty under the old system, but you would have gotten one when he ran you off.

 

[Groundfish]

Hmmm
maybe today is a good day to run Subaruka or Altopolis.
I wanna try bring the Mustang there...I have nice liveries for it, and it’s not a car you wanna shove around!

 

[Yard_Sale]

I’ve asked this question before, but I couldn’t find the answer...

huw do I load up someone’s ghost so I can use them as a training aid?

 

[stpatty]

What are going to be the good cars at Sardegna next week? The Vantage? GT-R?

 

[Rexracer702]

Hmmm
maybe today is a good day to run Subaruka or Altopolis.
I wanna try bring the Mustang there...I have nice liveries for it, and it’s not a car you wanna shove around!

Ohhh, that sounds fun. Haven't tried the 'stang there yet. Might have to dust off the Hertz rent-a-racer.

 

[NoStopN]

What are going to be the good cars at Sardegna next week? The Vantage? GT-R?

I’ll be driving my normal FR fare (Viper, Corvette, & now, Mustang) to see which one handles that track the best. After this week’s info at Seaside II, the Mustang might be back on the table.

Meanwhile, this can happen to you if you obsess about your quali time.



But hey, when you get it right, you get positive results.

 

[Little_Guppy]

I’ve asked this question before, but I couldn’t find the answer...

huw do I load up someone’s ghost so I can use them as a training aid?

Here is the method for the common case for a "Daily Race Top 10" ghost starting from the Top Menu.

Sport | Race Entry | Daily Races | <pick a race> | Qualifying Time Trial | <Pick your Car etc> | Ranking Board <podium Icon> | Top 10 stars | <pick one and hit X button> | LOAD GHOST

After, you can adjust in Ghost Settings to manage the views etc.
You can save your own lap in Replay and subsequently load that as a ghost.
You can also load ghosts from Replay but I am not sure how that list gets populated.
Similarly, you can load ghosts in Arcade mode but I just see my laps there.
Presumably, there is a way to download other hot laps that have been posted but I have never done that.

 

[JoeDaSnow]

Yesterday, I had won my 116th daily race at Daily Race A. It was also my 120th win in Sport Mode overall.

 

[O604]

I need a car that looks like a referee's jersey, and then another one advertising armed security escort services.

That's a very specific name for an escort service.

 

[crusselz]

Yesterday, I had won my 116th daily race at Daily Race A. It was also my 120th win in Sport Mode overall.

Those are some impressive win stats. But are you racing clean and fair? Strange you would be at the level you're at with so many wins to your name.

Don't misunderstand me though. One thing I enjoy about this forum is its a great place to learn, but also a place where you would get called out for not racing fairly. Looking at your stats.... I'm just curious.