DLC Pricing Policies - your thoughts?

[NeoXenzaka]

Nice to see some serious discussion going on in this thread.

Keep in mind we're not trying to "bash", this isn't for "complaining", but where is the free DLC in relation to point-to-point course maker maps and other features we have been talking about in threads for the past couple weeks.

$3.99 for DLC/Four cars is not a bad deal.

But you can tell they're doing their best to make a quick dollar just by listing the product at $3.99

"Just make it $4.00, that way we get a little change for it Bob".


We already dished out money to PD last month for DLC. What, are they looking to make $4-12 off every DLC update every month?


I guess the fact is it's time to take a stand on a couple things as loyal players and consumers. Take a look at our feedback forum, it's full of content we all dieing and wishing for. But PD still has the audacity do as they please with both pricing and what they feature in an update.

The fact of the matter is that:

-The content should be free. We paid money last month.

-If they truly needed the income, they should have made a monthly payment plan for the online service of the game.

-PD charges small amounts because they know no one would buy the car anymore than the listed $3.99. They purposely had the item listed this way to so they can capitalize. I'm all for making money, but lets do it an honest way.

-The amount of content that has been created from animations, to unheard of tracks to never before seen cars: there is content available but they want to charge us for it or for the lack of it?!

-GT5 is a powerful game made by a powerful team so what is the catch?

 

[daus26]

Pricing is great in my opinion. There are 2 dollar LBP costume packs out there, and other DLCs for cars on other games that cost more, so a dollar per car is pretty good for me.

However, I wished that we had the option to buy it separately. I mean no offense, but the 2011 Mini Cooper is of little interest to me. Of course, I could be proven wrong till I drive it.

This is the part when I come back after a year and say: I knew PD was going to charge for DLC, despite what a lot of people thought.

Also, surprised that standard cars wheels will be able to be changed. Surprised, and glad for those who update the game.

Actually, well according to interviews anyway, Kaz himself never had the thought of DLC crossing his mind when GT5 was in development, and the fact that he doesn't really like to charge for small transaction. So how is it that there's DLC now? People's demand, which was insanely high.

But yeah, nowadays, DLCs are pretty common anyway, so not only people would demand it in some situations, it has become a practice this generation.

 

[Lucas]

Actually, well according to interviews anyway, Kaz himself never had the thought of DLC crossing his mind when GT5 was in development, and the fact that he doesn't really like to charge for small transaction. So how is it that there's DLC now? People's demand, which was insanely high.

But yeah, nowadays, DLCs are pretty common anyway, so not only people would demand it in some situations, it has become a practice this generation.

Surely that's the case. Before GT5 was released, I remember a thread discussing the possibility of DLC. Many members said that should DLC be produced, it would be free, due to Kaz's kind nature.


On the subject, I would like to choose what cars do I want to pay for. As someone said above, some cars may not be of your interest. Of course, this is supposed to make you spend extra money, or not spend it at all. It obviously depends on how much do you want that/those car/s. I'm sure I would buy them all anyways.

 

[PhillGuy]

The amount asked to pay for the DLC is practically nothing.

For people with big flat screen TVs hooked up to high speed internet playing they're PS3s you whine a lot about a few bucks.

Reality check people.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I guess the fact is it's time to take a stand on a couple things as loyal players and consumers. Take a look at our feedback forum, it's full of content we all dieing and wishing for. But PD still has the audacity do as they please with both pricing and what they feature in an update.

I doubt PD frequents this site enough to see everyone's wish lists.

The fact of the matter is that:

-The content should be free. We paid money last month.

Seriously!? They're doing it just like every other game out there that charges for DLC. Just because you "already paid" for the other content, doesn't mean everything else afterwords should be free.

-If they truly needed the income, they should have made a monthly payment plan for the online service of the game.

They wouldn't do that. You think people are complaining now, tell them they have to start paying $5 a month to play online, then watch the interwebz blow up.

 

[daus26]

-If they truly needed the income, they should have made a monthly payment plan for the online service of the game.

Oh wow, 5 dollars a month for the online service just for GT5... that's outrageous! It's one of the reasons why my Xbox isn't connected to the Gold service! How do you support 5 dollars monthly, but not an optional 4 dollar DLC??

-GT5 is a powerful game made by a powerful team so what is the catch?

They may be financially successful, but they may not be as powerful as you think in terms of manpower and sources.

 

[llNovall]

The amount asked to pay for the DLC is practically nothing.

For people with big flat screen TVs hooked up to high speed internet playing they're PS3s you whine a lot about a few bucks.

Reality check people.

I second this completely. Think of the manhours invested in dlc and a game that could have otherwise been left as is. Better yet, think of the manhours invested in 1 new premium car that will only cost us $1. We are getting dlc and improvement updates because pd and kaz do care about the game and our input. It doesnt happen overnite, nor does it ever come free. Spend the 4 bucks so more content may be offered and quit complaining.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I second this completely. Think of the manhours invested in dlc and a game that could have otherwise been left as is. Better yet, think of the manhours invested in 1 new premium car that will only cost us $1. We are getting dlc and improvement updates because pd and kaz do care about the game and our input. It doesnt happen overnite, nor does it ever come free. Spend the 4 bucks so more content may be offered and quit complaining.

👍

 

[Tornado]

I second this completely. Think of the manhours invested in dlc and a game that could have otherwise been left as is. Better yet, think of the manhours invested in 1 new premium car that will only cost us $1. We are getting dlc and improvement updates because pd and kaz do care about the game and our input. It doesnt happen overnite, nor does it ever come free. Spend the 4 bucks so more content may be offered and quit complaining.

"It may suck, but if you buy it anyway PD may get the picture and make it better."


Not the most comforting of logic, even if it was infallible.

Way to undermine everyone who has been using the "if you don't like it don't buy it" defense, too. What's next? The "true GT fans would buy it anyway" argument?

 

[Blitz24]

Nice to see some serious discussion going on in this thread.

Keep in mind we're not trying to "bash", this isn't for "complaining", but where is the free DLC in relation to point-to-point course maker maps and other features we have been talking about in threads for the past couple weeks.

$3.99 for DLC/Four cars is not a bad deal.

But you can tell they're doing their best to make a quick dollar just by listing the product at $3.99

"Just make it $4.00, that way we get a little change for it Bob".


We already dished out money to PD last month for DLC. What, are they looking to make $4-12 off every DLC update every month?


I guess the fact is it's time to take a stand on a couple things as loyal players and consumers. Take a look at our feedback forum, it's full of content we all dieing and wishing for. But PD still has the audacity do as they please with both pricing and what they feature in an update.

The fact of the matter is that:

-The content should be free. We paid money last month.

-If they truly needed the income, they should have made a monthly payment plan for the online service of the game.

-PD charges small amounts because they know no one would buy the car anymore than the listed $3.99. They purposely had the item listed this way to so they can capitalize. I'm all for making money, but lets do it an honest way.

-The amount of content that has been created from animations, to unheard of tracks to never before seen cars: there is content available but they want to charge us for it or for the lack of it?!

-GT5 is a powerful game made by a powerful team so what is the catch?

Last month? The DLC was in October, not November.

The person speaking is talking like the DLC is required to be free AND that PD has no right to charge for it where every other company does the same action in charging for additional content. Apparently, PD is being unfair when they offer DLC where in fact they have also provided over 10 updates to a game + an entire refresh for the game to fix additional issues. As has been said, you do NOT have to buy the DLC but somehow this is getting overlooked as you see PD as greedy. I wonder what EA and other companies appear to you as?

 

[kimi123]

I don't think anybody's arguing that $4 is a lot of money. What people are pointing out is that many people have given other racing series guff for charging $7 for 10-car packs. 10-car packs that carry cars that are all almost entirely new to the series. Not an essentially identical Mini, yet another GT-R, and the two Veedubs. I like all the cars, but even I'll admit this pack is... pushing it.

If they wait to release the game to fit in unfinished cars, then the game would be in a perpetual state of almost-release. Sort of like... GT was, for years. This is not a good idea.

They are intentionally selling the game in parts. This was planned before hand. If they wanted they could put the 2 DLC on disk or if they were really genuine they would not charge for 20 cars which are released in 2 months from release date

Frequent DLC isn't inherently a rip-off so long as the content supports the price asked for it.


How many games were released in as unreleased a state as Kaz admitted GT5 was?



Let's look at that list, shall we?

2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4:

A model not in the game.

2012 Aston Martin Virage

A model not in the game.

2011 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15++ TDI

An update of a model already in the game (Perhaps. I don't know much about LMP regulations). So you have one point in your favor.

2011 Audi RS3 Sportback

A model not in the game.

1957 Chevrolet Bel Air

A model not in the game.

2012 Dodge Charger SRT8

An entirely different model generation from the one already in the game.

2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia

A model not in the game.

2013 Ford Focus ST

An entirely different model generation from the one already in the game.

1992 GMC Typhoon

A model not in the game.

2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R

A slightly different model of the car already in the game. I don't know enough about the base Scirocco to make a definitive statement about it, but I'll say it is a point in your favor.



So, all told, two out of 10 cars in this Forza DLC pack which might be revisions of cars already in the game; compared to two out of 4 cars in the GT5 DLC Pack #2 which are definitely revisions of cars already in the game, one of which might as well be identical.




And there is quite a huge difference between adding entirely different model generations of cars like with the Chargers and taking an R56 Mini and putting stripes and a different front splitter on it. Nice try.


I imagine the one who is adding less cars for more money per car. Or the one whose DLC cars have so far overwhelmingly been variations of cars already in the game. Or the ones who had the balls to charge money for one time use paint chips, but still didn't bother doing anything to the atrocious car paint system in response.

And since Kaz already said that GT5 DLC will now be bimonthly, this point doesn't really work in your favor anyway.

GT5 was complete. They din't have to update the game or have DLC. Forza and all other game that have DLC are basically selling the game in parts to make cheap money.

 

[leepangfu]

We already dished out money to PD last month for DLC. What, are they looking to make $4-12 off every DLC update every month?

I'm sorry but this is a strange way to think. Of course they are looking to make money every month from DLC. Hell, if I was Kaz I would have released a DLC pack every month that costs €10 so I could buy some more real cars Of course they can charge you for new things they release. So you expect to get everything for free after you've bought it once. Try that at the supermarket next time

 

[Tornado]

GT5 was complete. They din't have to update the game or have DLC.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but when even Kaz himself apologized for the state GT5 was released in you don't have the slightest of ground to stand on.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Try that at the supermarket next time

 

[tuga703]

I think what the OP dislikes is that he is going to have to pay again for GT6 after you have payed for dlc.
I personally think that there shouldn't be DLC and more development time should be focused on the sequel of the game.
I do however believe that a game should be supported with patches that fix bugs, glitches or features that were suposed to be in the game to begin with, it would be up to the developer to decide whether to give away a car or two as a peek at what will be in the next game.
One thing that proves that DLC is overpriced is that in DLC 4 cars = 4$ so 40 cars = 40$. The game itself costs 40$ and it comes with, 200 new cars, 800 standard cars brought over from sequel + new game engine and gameplay.

 

[diegorborges]

Wait a sec. Some people are saying that if PD need the money, they should implement a subscription program... that's... monthly payments?

That's RIDICULOUS. I dislike things like iRacing or whatever its called. If that is the future of gaming, we're doomed.

DLC is different, I buy if I want and if I find the value fair FOR MY POCKET. And of course, if the content is good enough for my taste. I think its a fair thing: like it, buy it. Don't like it, don't buy it. If the DLC is horrible like some of you said, then PD will see that in the sales, the sales will go down and the opinions of these people will be expressed. The market works like that, even top brands, if release a poor product will fail. If the DLC is bad then... we'll see on sales figures.

Simple enough? If Coca-cola release a turd flavored Coke, some will buy, some won't. If it's bad, they'll not buy again soon. C'mon. It's that simple.

I'll buy because 4 dollars doesn't hurt my pocket. Again, IN MY OPINION.

 

[Barbanegra]

I dont understand why 3,99$=3.99€ for PD. Im sure the DLC in Japan is not 3.99 Yens...

 

[kimi123]

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but when even Kaz himself apologized for the state GT5 was released in you don't have the slightest of ground to stand on.

Same can be said about any other game. The difference here is PD acknowledged it and they try to improve it with updates.

 

[Magik300]

I'm ready much more then PD is asking, I really want to give them my monies but I want quality product, and upcoming dlc is just a garbage. Still I will buy this trash and hope then will use resources for something more pleasing me like tracks.

 

[maxpontiac]

Comes back hoping to read something useful, only to see the same garbage from the same posters only to confirm that this is STILL not the thread I am looking for.

 

[HAL20XX]

GT5 was complete. They din't have to update the game or have DLC. Forza and all other game that have DLC are basically selling the game in parts to make cheap money.

You managed the impossible and were able to contradict yourself within 2 sentences!

- GT5 was complete
- They started completing (updating) it
- GT5 (like Forza) has DLC
- GT5 is selling the game in parts to make cheap money

Bravo!

 

[counter345]

My thoughts? They'd be idiots if they even thought about lowering the price, (imo) because of how people are quite willing to spend some money even for a handful of cars. I just hope these have proper sound recording, and all of the cars have updated handling, not just copies of similar models in-game.

 

[88FoxBodyFan]

Nice to see some serious discussion going on in this thread.

Keep in mind we're not trying to "bash", this isn't for "complaining", but where is the free DLC in relation to point-to-point course maker maps and other features we have been talking about in threads for the past couple weeks.

$3.99 for DLC/Four cars is not a bad deal.

But you can tell they're doing their best to make a quick dollar just by listing the product at $3.99

"Just make it $4.00, that way we get a little change for it Bob".


We already dished out money to PD last month for DLC. What, are they looking to make $4-12 off every DLC update every month?


I guess the fact is it's time to take a stand on a couple things as loyal players and consumers. Take a look at our feedback forum, it's full of content we all dieing and wishing for. But PD still has the audacity do as they please with both pricing and what they feature in an update.

The fact of the matter is that:

-The content should be free. We paid money last month.

-If they truly needed the income, they should have made a monthly payment plan for the online service of the game.

-PD charges small amounts because they know no one would buy the car anymore than the listed $3.99. They purposely had the item listed this way to so they can capitalize. I'm all for making money, but lets do it an honest way.

-The amount of content that has been created from animations, to unheard of tracks to never before seen cars: there is content available but they want to charge us for it or for the lack of it?!

-GT5 is a powerful game made by a powerful team so what is the catch?

Are you serious!?! So, you would rather be FORCED to pay EVERY month to play online, than pay ONE TIME for OPTIONAL DLC? Most of the posts on here have several good points for and against the content and price of the DLC, but this line of thinking is borderline isane.

Plus your line of thinking also works for the monthly online fee, such as "I already paid to play online last month, why should I have to pay again this month?"

 

[Thetruth28]

Dang, reading this long thread is twenty minutes of my life I will never get back....but like the DLC, If I didn't want to keep going, I didn't have too, LOL.

Do I want to pay 4 dollars for 4 cars that I am not very interested in for the price, nope. But I bought the previous DLC pack and love it. Pick and choose. PD isn't forcing you to buy anything. Express your opinion with your pocket book. Want better DLC, buy it when it comes out but don't buy the crap DLC so they know what customer's expect and setting expectations can help with future DLC. Money is a universal language and how you use it speaks volumes.

 

[Terronium-12]

You telling me turn 10 model 10 cars a month, no chance 👎

Do show me where I said or inferred that. I'll wait.

With all the problems they have themselves with bug fixes (leaderboards and 900 degree steering) and others there is no way the DLC was created in a month. A car like the Suzuki Monster would of taken that long to create alone.

900 degree steering issues were addressed in an update earlier this month, and the leaderboards are also being addressed - when the latter is actually going to be executed/completed is anyone's guess.

There's also the fact that they still find time for a "Race with devs night" and you're trying to tell us there DLC isn't pre-planned

As if that has any relation to what's being discussed. Are you attempting to imply the entirety of Turn 10's staff participates in an event that only lasts for, what is it, two hours? And again, show me where I said the DLC wasn't pre-planned.

To my recollection, I even so much as flat out implied the exact opposite.

 

[vandaliser]

Get that Turn 10 rubbish out of here. Why bring a developer whose last game bombed spectacularly inspite of jeremy clarkson and the top gear license into the discussion?


Anyways, my opinion is that Polyphony saw the sales of the first DLC and thought hmph there could be more money here. Unfortunately next week's DLC is one of the worst DLCs i have ever seen.


I mean, may be i am the fool but i was expecting couple of new tracks, some brand new cars. Instead we get waste of space cars in my opinion (love the 2012 GTR but c'mon now) I am very disappointed by Polyphony and Kaz for the first time since ages. I cannot believe this is the best they could come up with

 

[Downhill Dino]

I mean, may be i am the fool but i was expecting couple of new tracks, some brand new cars. Instead we get waste of space cars in my opinion (love the 2012 GTR but c'mon now) I am very disappointed by Polyphony and Kaz for the first time since ages. I cannot believe this is the best they could come up with

You expect so much content on such a little amount of time?

 

[Terronium-12]

Get that Turn 10 rubbish out of here. Why bring a developer whose last game bombed spectacularly inspite of jeremy clarkson and the top gear license into the discussion?

Are you moderator? No, therefore, unless told officially I'll say whatever, wherever.

Don't like it? Don't read it.

I'm not even going to address the ridiculous statement about the game itself.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

They are intentionally selling the game in parts. This was planned before hand. If they wanted they could put the 2 DLC on disk or if they were really genuine they would not charge for 20 cars which are released in 2 months from release date

Show me proof that all six monthly DLC packs are all complete when the game went gold. As has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, FM3 had DLC cars that weren't even known when the game went gold. The same can reasonably be expected of FM4 by the time the last DLC pack comes out in April.

I'm still curious why they (or PD) should have to provide all future DLC cars free of charge. Looking at nothing else past their respective DLC policies (because really, we have the FM vs GT thread), they do things differently, but I personally prefer the idea of 10 actual new cars each month. Er, well, sometimes only 9 since one (or even two) typically do tend to be similar to currently available cars. Which is a better ratio than GT's packs, so far.

GT5 was complete. They din't have to update the game or have DLC. Forza and all other game that have DLC are basically selling the game in parts to make cheap money.

It shipped complete? You mean, v1.00, which had absolutely no online portion included (that was included in the release-day v1.01 patch)? Ah.

Again, I don't think people are reading the entire posts here. Nobody is saying $4 is a lot of money in isolation; it isn't, it's a cheap small cup o' Starbucks. But $4 for 4 cars, two of which are are very similar to cars already in the game (the Mini being almost identical save for a new front bumper), is a high per-car amount compared to other games. Other games that people have had no problem slagging in the past for offering actual new models for a cheaper per-car basis.

The last car DLC pack was cheaper, sure, but they weren't new cars, they were essentially RM's of existing ones. As a fan of the original GT (and GT2), the return of race mods was a huge bonus for me with GT5, so I gladly bought the whole October pack (since it was cheaper than buying just the cars and tracks). This pack, however, just isn't doing much for me - the Mini's essentially useless, the Golf is a more powerful (and heavier) 4WD version of an available car in game (with a facelift), and the Scirocco is, er, a Golf. I'm impressed that PD is doing DLC, and I'm not writing off potential future bi-monthly packs, but for December, the important thing for me is the new, free, update.

 

[tinram]

Simples, you don't like it don't buy it. And yes i have to say it again, cause some of you don't seem to get it.

Complaining about the DLC in multiple threads, it gets old.

We got it, you are not happy. No need to try to convince everybody else about how you feel.