Do you drift during a serious race?

[Famine]

How about a little evidence, eh? Some laptimes, videos, whatever.

I'm in the grey 205t16:



Okay, we're not talking exhibition stuff here, but it was during a serious race - 5 laps, tyre wear on strong - during a LAN. The white car that didn't crash was daan...

And in light of F.I.'s comment...

Cars that are set up for grip driving have aids on

I have to say, that is cobblers. I'm a gripper and, unless the car really warrants a very slight dose of traction control (TCS=1), the aids are always off. The video above was part of a LAN weekend, and no-one used any driving aids at all - and we included some of the quickest (and most of the funniest) drivers on these islands.

 

[Keichi Tsuchiya]

Right on. But what about tighter turns? Also, whoever can, send in some comparison lap times.

EDIT: Wow... Look at what I found: GTP thread

 

[Perfect Balance]

I would never drift on a really serious race, unless the car lost traction and I had to drift.


Also, just so you know, your username is spelled wrong, its Keiichi Tsuchiya, not Keichi. It has 2 "I"s.

 

[Famine]

Also, just so you know, your username is spelled wrong, its Keiichi Tsuchiya, not Keichi. It has 2 "I"s.

Only in the modified Hepburn method of romanising kana. And even then it'd be sloppy and tend to be written with an i-bar (Keīchi) instead.

 

[FormulaGT]

Good to see someone understands how the other non-european languages work:tup:

I have to say that I have drifted during a serious race, with in the Clubman Cup S2000. OK,,,... a bit cheap, but still an ...💡... experience!

FormulaGT

 

[Keichi Tsuchiya]

Yeah, yeah I botched the name, but whats a guy supposd toi do to get the coolest username around???

Read the Signature. But-yeah, what Famine said.

 

[kusanagiblade]

I don't care whether it's a race or not, I will just dirft my car, since the setting was made to drift. Even in tighter turn u can still drift in a low speed, as it has braking effect (eg. turning a U-turn). "Sob" That's why my cars have high Horse Power, so that i can still catch up even I am behind my foes.

 

[Shadow Fox]

Depends on the car and which track I'm on. If its in a race track like Suzuka or Fuji Speedway, I'll grip drive regardless of what car I use. However, in places like El Capitan and Deep Forest Raceway where there are numerous elevation changes, I tend to drift the cars on certain corners. The last corner in the regular version of Deep Forest Raceway I initiate a slight drift angle. It's nowhere near what exhibition drifting is but the car is still at a slight angle.

The fastest lap time on N3s that I achieved in Deep Forest Raceway was on a VW W12 Nardo Concept. With the exception of the first hairpin and the second to last corner, most of the other corners had a bit of sliding in it.

Deep Forest Raceway VW W12 Nardo Concept N3s: 1'21.074

 

[rsmithdrift]

Of course you guys do realise in this game that loose is fast right??

I mean I'm technically drifting the whole time I'm racing because having 2-3 degrees of sideways slipange is the fastest way through a turn.....now if it's an endurance I won't cause of tire wear, but if that's not an issue I'm squeeling rear tire in bout every turn...case in point, I took a RX-7 bone stock on N2's to Trial Mountain......ran perfectly grip first...meaning no oversteer, still trying to stay balanced but no oversteer at all. Then I ran the same car getting 2-3 degree's of oversteer (drift angle) and I put in a lap 1.5 seconds quicker after my first good lap........mind you getting a good speed drift lap took 32 attempts compaired to 7 attempts at the perfect grip lap because I'd get too much angle in a turn or not enough or have a bad line and unable to make a link or whatever......but once I put it all together I was WAY quicker than what any one would have called a perfect grip lap.

Exhibition drifting is obviously WAY slower..........It's all in the speed drift.

 

[Shadow Fox]

Exhibition drifting is obviously WAY slower..........It's all in the speed drift.

Yeah exactly what he said. The car will be sliding but its done in order to clear the corner faster. The hard part about race drifting is to find the correct angle of attack, how fast you should go through that corner and how to set yourself up for the straight after that corner. The section in Deep Forest Raceway (on the map its on the bottom left corner) where there are two left handers with multiple elevation changes is where I initially drift the first left hander and then use that in order to set myself up in order to hit the apex of the second left hander. With the BMW M5 I was able to reach speeds of 78-82 mph through that apex using N3s.

 

[dking]

I do only first lap or so...Drift to warm up tires...then its go time...come experience it on kai!

 

[panjandrum]

I definitely drift cars which are not setup specifically to drift. Is it exhibition-style drifting? Definitely not, but that's a different type of drifting altogether which, to my understanding, focuses completely on form, not on speed. Not much point of doing it in an actual race, even if it is fun.

Here are a few photos (if the attachment function works this time), of some high-speed drifting I've done. The Lotus shot isn't a great shot, but does illustrate a (relatively) high-speed drift in a car which isn't tuned at all to drift, but which, due to the design and balance of the car makes an excellent gripper or drifter depending on the situation.

The Yellowbird and other RR cars are awesome drifters. The shots below are of my Yellowbird at 637 horses on Racing Super Hard tires. The nice thing about drifting RR (and MR) cars, is that because you have so much more grip at the rear end you can rocket out of drifts as the tires regain grip. Check out the rear of the YB squatting down (stock "sports" suspension) as I get fully on the throttle in this drift (the first shot). Hold on tight because those rear tires are regaining grip right now and in a few seconds you'll be a rocket! A blast of a way to drive these cars. Hard on the rear tires of course, but so many of the races in the game are short that often this isn't an issue. I often "Swedish Flick" in the YB to initiate the drift even faster than the balance of the car would normally allow. I don't flick the Lotus however.

 

[panjandrum]

Any comparison lap times?

Well, yesterday I performed a somewhat-scientific test using the Yellowbird on Trial Mountain. 588-ish hp on Racing Super Hards. I ran 15 laps based on control and attempting to achieve 0 screws-up, to make the comparison as fair as possible.

The first 5 I ran the YB as purely a gripper, slow entry, fast exit, essentially no drift.

The second 5 I ran drifting every corner possible, even if I would have normally not have done so.

The third 5 I ran gripping where I felt appropriate, and drifting where I felt appropriate.

The times were closer than I expected and only about a second apart. Times below are the best lap of each set, rounded to the nearest tenth.

Set 1 (all grip): 1:30.4
Set 2 (all drift): 1:31.6
Set 3 (combination): 1:29.3

I'll perform some more tests just for fun, but my gut tells me the above will hold true for me in most of my favorite cars & tracks.

 

[Keichi Tsuchiya]

Very good. What about cars with less power. To Everyone: why not try different ranges of HP-100, 200ish, 300ish and so on.

 

[rsmithdrift]

Very good. What about cars with less power. To Everyone: why not try different ranges of HP-100, 200ish, 300ish and so on.

Did you read my post on the last page. I did this with a stock RX-7 in arcade mode on n tires and cut 1.5 seconds off my lap at Trial Mountain by speed drifting.

 

[michael15]

i can't drift when i race, the car has to much grip. if i use driftsetup i end off the track...

 

[Famine]

Waaay back when, a tournament was set up called "The 9 Boards Challenge". The 9 biggest Gran Turismo forum sites had a race-off between their regular members (9 on each team), eventually won by The House of GT. There have been regular Board Challenges since, with boards taking it in turns to host, the ongoing one being the 6th (administered by Granturismox.net). Racing does NOT get any more serious than Board Challenges. ALL entries are scrutinised by way of replay to ensure that no driver contacts a wall, puts more than two wheels off the track (with the definition of "track" being strictly defined too), touches the AI or does anything in any way contravening the rules - even down to watching videos of the runs, frame-by-frame.

Board Challenges ARE serious racing.

With that in mind, here's an image from my round (deadline having just passed for me):

 

[Sparco Drifter]

Depends like if i know my car can destroy every other one i just shot the ****
but if you mess up you kick yourself hard

 

[RichardSoAsian]

When I had races where i needed to use my Spoon Civic, i set it up so i could throw the rear out. Doing so nabbed me some better times over gripping the whole race, i shaved off an average 5 - 10 secs each lap depending on the course. I could do this only because FF's generally dont have to worry about their rear tires, ESPECIALLY if its only up to 5 laps at a time. The technique i use to turn with the Civic is just mostly feint drift kinda style. I sometimes use the hand brake... it only locks the rear, I could care less about my rear tires, if they were red, id be even happier. I put as much oversteer in that car as possible but only 4.0, up to maybe 7.0 negative front camber. Reminds me of Initial D...

 

[GM]

I normally end up drifting accidently these days in my TVR 350C, I need a new setup for it, auto gears 5 is'nt good enough.

 

[Keichi Tsuchiya]

Wish I could join, but my PS2 is MIA. Either way, keep it up, I'll see if I can get my PS2 back. Also, isn't there a way to measure how fast you went through a corner in GT4?

 

[Implausibility]

God, this will sound weird, but I do. With the cars I can drift best I go to the one-make races and other races and do it.

Now to prepare for many people arguing with me.

You make a good impression on me. Drifting one-make races is quite fun, especially the mazda and altezza races.

 

[86 Hondakiller]

i drift if the person is faster on the straight aways ive found my kaido to be better than my grip

 

[Ev0 4 drifter]

yes, '65 shelby gt350 smokes the competition nearly every time. still not good enough to beat slider-s15

 

[slider-s15]

i have drifted my Evo in a family cup race before (semi serious then) and won. this weekend i will have a drift race against my Protégé Ev0 4 drifter. better practise if my evo is gonna take his shelby mustang.

 

[shan2nu]

On certain tracks (especially the Ring), it's important to have a controlled drift to get the best out of it. The left-right sections between Karussell and Mini Karussell, have some corners that might need to be drifted around.

When i started off with the NSX R, i used to lap the ring in around 7' 52, then i started finding new ways to go around certain corners and have brought down my lap time to 7' 40. I'm sure i can cut a couple of secs by improving my lines further.

Agression on track isn't enuf, you need to be gracful too. (Just my 2 cents)

Shan2nu

 

[jammyozzy]

I don't really drift, but I often kick the back end out and slide around sweeping corners. There are some places where you do seem to be able to gain an advantage on the AI by doing it, for example turn 3 of the Nurburgring. Instead of braking and then turning in, I tap the brakes as I turn in and let the car slide around the corner, which usually propels me towards the car infront.

I can also get an advantage by sliding around turn 3 of Deep Forest (and Trial Mountain, Autumn Ring and Midfield for that matter. It's a conspiracy. ). There's a good feeling that comes from watching your front right tyre just clip the kerb on the inside and then sliding perfectly out of the corner again.

It does only seem to work on corners where the AI are much too slow, but when you're doing this:


who cares? 👍

 

[Krispen Wah]

Only when I'm bored.










Or Tuesdays,whichever comes 1st.
And if I'm bored on Tuesday...........................

 

[TofuGuyDrift]

speaking of the seriousness of the battle, professional drivers do use a mix of grip/drift to block corner passes. i don't expect to see that in GT4 where the AI is much too stupid and they just ram you (what happened to the 5sec penalty on the AI?! lol).
i'm using a trueno '83 with a supercharger to see if i'm getting better times. it seems like i catch up on the tighter turns. the only time i see myself getting caught up to is the last turn on the special stage route 5 reverse (the longer track). the trueno doesn't have enough power to keep the speed up on the straight away.
the other car i experimented with was the mugen S2000. you don't get too much oversteer, yet i find my tyres stay almost as good as when i do grip racing. any ideas why?

 

[cookie type r]

i love to drift tuned bmws in proper races like endurance races but i find myself pitting 4 new tyres all the time and allways lose my lead but on a positive note if u use r1's tyres they last longer. o ye wot event do ya win the bmw 2002 turbo in i hav over 800 cars but after looking dont hav one of these.