Do you have a clean savegame?

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What bothers me is the jump from tweaking with a game to taking someones life.

No great leap required.

So I suspect you would be shocked at just how close any person around you is to being a cold blooded killer.

History has proven this out over and over again.

The right conditions can come about quickly.
 
With posts like that I can see why a lot of people hate going near the GT5 section of this forum...

Time to take a break to The Rumble Strip methinks
 
No great leap required.

So I suspect you would be shocked at just how close any person around you is to being a cold blooded killer.

History has proven this out over and over again.

The right conditions can come about quickly.

There isn't a big enough smilie to represent how hard I am laughing right now.
 
LOL, it is good that it does bother you guys and I don't believe if you do one you'll do the other necessarily
but when is having a lack of moral conscience not like having a lack of moral conscience?
 
LOL, it is good that it does bother you guys and I don't believe if you do one you'll do the other necessarily
but when is having a lack of moral conscience not like having a lack of moral conscience?

When we are talking about duping cars IN. A. GAME.
 
When we are talking about duping cars IN. A. GAME.

I was talking about the attitude though and said as much in the first post about it.

Not sure why it's so hard to accept the similarities other than you must feel I'm saying you are a bad person for doing either.

I'm not, JFTR.

Merely pointing out the similarities in the attitude.
 
No great leap required.

So I suspect you would be shocked at just how close any person around you is to being a cold blooded killer.

History has proven this out over and over again.

The right conditions can come about quickly.

Can you get any more melodramatic? If duping a car makes someone that bad of a person, all of humanity would consist of nothing but murderers and rapists and what not...

And that's coming from someone who doesn't like to dupe or glitch :lol:
And yeah, I get that it's about the attitude. But if you think there's no difference between the attitude it takes to be without remorse after duping a car and comitting a crime, that's really strange.
 
I was talking about the attitude though and said as much in the first post about it.

Not sure why it's so hard to accept the similarities other than you must feel I'm saying you are a bad person for doing either.

I'm not, JFTR.

Merely pointing out the similarities in the attitude.

So swatting a fly requires a similar in attitude to shooting a person in the head (since killing is killing right?). Your logic and view of this world are flawed, severely...
 
Sometimes people need to hear something shocking in order to make a connection.

As just posted above I'm not passing judgement on anyone since that isn't my job.

Being in Germany I would think you'd understand just how quickly people can turn from reasonable
into monsters who think little of ending the lives of others.

Kosovo is another good example.

I'll ease back for a while so some can process just what I'm saying...
...besides I need to go play some games with the youngin'.

Stay Happy...
...or not.
 
Sometimes people need to hear something shocking in order to make a connection.

As just posted above I'm not passing judgement on anyone since that isn't my job.

Being in Germany I would think you'd understand just how quickly people can turn from reasonable
into monsters who think little of ending the lives of others.

Kosovo is another good example.

I'll ease back for a while so some can process just what I'm saying...
...besides I need to go play some games with the youngin'.

Stay Happy...
...or not.

I'm in awe. I just can't fathom how you can make a connection between duping cars and mass murder.
 
I was talking about the attitude though and said as much in the first post about it.

Not sure why it's so hard to accept the similarities other than you must feel I'm saying you are a bad person for doing either.

I'm not, JFTR.

Merely pointing out the similarities in the attitude.

The attitude of thinking, "oh, I think I'll duplicate some cars so I don't have to grind Indy again" holds no similarities to thinking "oh, I must go on a killing spree so I don't have to listen to these idiots anymore". I literally can't think of ANY similarities at all.

And yes, going by your logic, you are calling me a bad person if you think duplicating cars and murdering people hold similarities, because I would say murdering people would make anyone a pretty scummy person.
 
So swatting a fly requires a similar in attitude to shooting a person in the head (since killing is killing right?). Your logic and view of this world are flawed, severely...

Only if it doesn't bother you to shoot the person in the head in the first place. :)
 
The attitude of thinking, "oh, I think I'll duplicate some cars so I don't have to grind Indy again" holds no similarities to thinking "oh, I must go on a killing spree so I don't have to listen to these idiots anymore". I literally can't think of ANY similarities at all.

And yes, going by your logic, you are calling me a bad person if you think duplicating cars and murdering people hold similarities, because I would say murdering people would make anyone a pretty scummy person.

The not bothering them attitude; not the one that drives them to the act.

Really, I'll catch up later.
 
No.

Have got about 13 cars through trading, couple more from birthday glitch. Also yesterday had some good fortune as my brother kindly let me use his PSN on my PS3, he got 2 free stealth car codes from play.com when he bought his game, now I have them aswell. To be fair, I have near enough 500 cars now and less than 20 have been obtained through devious means. Can't trade for about a week now though as I told my brother I will send him a car every day of the coming week for letting me have his stealth cars.

Also, that means even if I create a new game save sometime in the future it won't be clean as the stealth cars will automatically be gifted to that account aswell. :)

Have nothing against those who trade, nothing against those who don't. I would like a clean save to be honest, I just don't have as much free time as I did a year or so ago to play games.
 
The not bothering them attitude; not the one that drives them to the act.

Really, I'll catch up later.

Yes, I get that, but then I'm sure there's things that don't bother you. How would you feel if someone came up to you and said "you don't care about(insert something you don't care about here) ? You hold similarities to serial killers". You couldn't say you wouldn't at least be a little shocked at their statement, and wonder how they ever came to such a conclusion.
 
Yes. Never had the need to duplicate cars or whatever. I'm not into the collecting thing; I delete/sell most of my cars just to have a clean garage with only cars that I really enjoy to drive.
 
Sometimes people need to hear something shocking in order to make a connection.

As just posted above I'm not passing judgement on anyone since that isn't my job.

Being in Germany I would think you'd understand just how quickly people can turn from reasonable
into monsters who think little of ending the lives of others.

Kosovo is another good example.

I'll ease back for a while so some can process just what I'm saying...
...besides I need to go play some games with the youngin'.

Stay Happy...
...or not.

So, uh, you really think that you can compare the feeling of guilt that comes from duping a car and ignoring it afterwards (and not feeling it after all) is actually the same attitude as not giving a crap about following orders to kill people? Holy cow, that's quite something :lol:

And no, I don't know how fast people turn into monsters because I live in Germany. Hitler's reign over this country ended more than fourty years before I was even born.

You know, you do remind me of some of those vegan people who'll tell me that eating a steak is equal to eating human meat and/or killing a person :sly:
 
I have duplicated cars, i have b-day glitch cars but i also like a challenging race. It's just with school work and the like i don't have time to sit through endless endurance races. So I got an X2010 to complete all the ones it can enter. I wanted a Ferrari P4 in Ferrari Challenge but the March 1st PSN glitch last year messed up my gamesave. So i b-day glitched to get one in GT5. And there are some weird comments in this thread !
 
No. And I'm having way more enjoyment driving the cars I wouldn't otherwise have, anytime I like, on any circuit I like, than I would if I was stuck in the rut of doing thousands of laps at Indy earning a pittance to get the cars I wanted. And then starting all over again as I crawl to the next 5, 10 or 20 million Cr.
If some don't choose to use the loophole of copying game saves, fine. I have no problem with that. But don't have the audacity to place yourself on some sort of moral high ground, and take on the role of judge and executioner because others don't follow your example.
Equating a person that copies gamesaves to a mass murderer, is a greater 'crime' than those who copies the gamesave. Those who think they have some sort of link, have a grossly detached view of the world they live in - and the people that live in it.
 
100% clean.The feeling of spending 10.000.000 credits on the F10 after hours and hours of hard work is incredible and satisfying!
 
What OG is saying is that dupers who do not feel any remorse over duping, such as myself, have a similar mentality to serial killers because they are doing wrong without concern.

However, his theory falls apart because killing is wrong, while duping is not. It's the same old misuse of the word cheating.
 
However, his theory falls apart because killing is wrong, while duping is not.
Even if they were both wrong, the theory would still be false. According to the same logic, me not caring about anyone not having clean underwear requires similar mentality to a serial killer, because lack of moral conscience is lack of moral conscience, right?. :sly:
 
No great leap required.

So I suspect you would be shocked at just how close any person around you is to being a cold blooded killer.

History has proven this out over and over again.

The right conditions can come about quickly.







You have a serious issue with delusion. I'm not joking.


Just... wow.
 
I have a clean gamesave. I haven't duplicated anything because I don't need to and haven't gifted or received any cars.

It's much more fun being able to earn the cars yourself rather than just asking for it.
 
Even if they were both wrong, the theory would still be false. According to the same logic, me not caring about anyone not having clean underwear requires similar mentality to a serial killer, because lack of moral conscience is lack of moral conscience, right?. :sly:

LOL, Not wearing clean underwear might not be immoral but it is cheating oneself of a rash free crack...
...and people around them of fresh air.
A social moray maybe broken there at a minimum. hehe
We aren't talking about clothing or it's misuse though so, lets not confuse the already difficult discussion. :)


To do a competition in a manner unintended by the creator of said "game"is a wrong.
Little wrong or big wrong doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.
Who it effects or how isn't the issue either.

Qualifying it as just how wrong one or both is outside that fact of being wrong.

OASN, if it wasn't wrong to dupe there would be a button in everyone's garage labeled copy or duplicate.


Anyway, it is good that so many have issue because it helps me hold the idea that people are basically decent for the most part
and outside of certain life/environment changes will do the right thing or at least recognize their own behavior as it is.

Time to go poop the dog and play outside a while.

A tree hugger? Really? lol
 
100% clean.The feeling of spending 10.000.000 credits on the F10 after hours and hours of hard work is incredible and satisfying!

Thats true! The day I found the Chapparal 2J in Used Car Lot I got broke but also became very happy! :)
 
To do a competition

That's just it. Where is the competition? Single player is not one, because there is only one participant. Online is a competition, but it is a racing competition, so how is duping cheating? Duplicating does nothing to improve/decrease anyone's racing ability.
 
Anyway, it is good that so many have issue because it helps me hold the idea that people are basically decent for the most part
and outside of certain life/environment changes will do the right thing or at least recognize their own behavior as it is.

I don't see anything wrong with my actions because I'm not hurting anybody else by doing so, I don't race online, so nobody is affected by my actions other than me, what does it matter to you, or anybody else for that matter if I duplicate cars so that I can race, on my own, the cars I want to race.

Also, can you honestly tell me if somebody came up to you and said that because you don't care about something, you have a mentality similar to that of a serial killer you wouldn't be at least a little shocked?
 
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