Do you have a clean savegame?

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If I owned a sweatshop I'd be recruiting all my "hardcore" workers from this very forum.. What virtual car do you want as payment this week?
 
Little wrong or big wrong doesn't change the fact that it is wrong.

So, as has been said, not changing your underwear or glitching is wrong, just as mass murder. Therefore, the attitude in doing all three is the same, eh?

Boy, that really cracks me up :lol:
 
So, as has been said, not changing your underwear or glitching is wrong, just as mass murder. Therefore, the attitude in doing all three is the same, eh?

Boy, that really cracks me up :lol:

Again, only if the culprit doesn't care even in the tiniest bit.

Everyone here obviously does or they wouldn't even acknowledge the thread.
 
I don't see anything wrong with my actions because I'm not hurting anybody else by doing so, I don't race online, so nobody is affected by my actions other than me, what does it matter to you, or anybody else for that matter if I duplicate cars so that I can race, on my own, the cars I want to race.

Also, can you honestly tell me if somebody came up to you and said that because you don't care about something, you have a mentality similar to that of a serial killer you wouldn't be at least a little shocked?

It doesn't matter to me since you display concern about how others see you.
In otherwods you are looking to take offense where non is warranted let alone intended.

It's why I said earlier that taking offense is a choice...
...because it is.
 
Genuine, top-level racing drivers are psychologically indistinguishable from serial killers. They will do whatever it takes to win and even in retrospect they do not feel guilt for actions you and I would consider morally dubious at best.

So... meh.
 
Again, only if the culprit doesn't care even in the tiniest bit.

Everyone here obviously does or they wouldn't even acknowledge the thread.

I don't get that. There are plenty people who cheat on a regular basis in games. It's a pretty normal thing and I doubt they feel the slightest bit of remorse. I did so mysellf until a few years back in games I didn't particulary cared about and never felt a sensation of guilt.

Now, that must mean have the attitude of a serial killer, right?

But lo and behold, when I ran over a cat in my car (by accident), I felt a boatload of remorse, even though I didn't mean to do it.

As you can fairly obviously see, there's a pretty big difference between wrong and wrong. And, of course, whether that wrong doing will cause you to feel guilt or not. If that strange theory of yours was actually true, someone who doesn't feel any sort of guilt for crossing a red traffic light would never feel guilt for any wrong deed he ever did and will do.

The human psyche doesn't work like that, though, and neither does morality. Because, more often than not, what makes your feeling of remorse kick in isn't whether what you did was wrong or not, but whether it did harm to someone.
 
It doesn't matter to me since you display concern about how others see you.
In otherwods you are looking to take offense where non is warranted let alone intended.

It's why I said earlier that taking offense is a choice...
...because it is.

It's not that I'm taking offence, it's the internet, if i was easily offended I wouldn't be on it on the first place.

It's that I find your statement incredibly... something. I don't know what way to describe it, I don't want to say idiotic because that seems a bit harsh, but it's the way you defy to see that your statement seems even a little sensationalist.
 
I don't get that. There are plenty people who cheat on a regular basis in games. It's a pretty normal thing and I doubt they feel the slightest bit of remorse. I did so mysellf until a few years back in games I didn't particulary cared about and never felt a sensation of guilt.

Now, that must mean have the attitude of a serial killer, right?

But lo and behold, when I ran over a cat in my car (by accident), I felt a boatload of remorse, even though I didn't mean to do it.

As you can fairly obviously see, there's a pretty big difference between wrong and wrong. And, of course, whether that wrong doing will cause you to feel guilt or not. If that strange theory of yours was actually true, someone who doesn't feel any sort of guilt for crossing a red traffic light would never feel guilt for any wrong deed he ever did and will do.

The human psyche doesn't work like that, though, and neither does morality. Because, more often than not, what makes your feeling of remorse kick in isn't whether what you did was wrong or not, but whether it did harm to someone.

But the human psyche does work that way but fortunately not that often.
Otherwise we'd be hip deep in Serial Killers.

It's funny ironic the thing about your cat since most every serial killer had little regard for the suffering of small animals.

The capacity to kill is a different matter altogether since once the justification or threat is strong enough
anyone is capable of taking a life without much trouble.

The after effects is where we find what catagory of killer they fall into.

Thanks for the measure of reason.
I'd love to race sometime in the future when I get to it again.


Love the analogy Famine.
Good stuff and pretty acceptable theory.
I could tell you some second hand stories about a certain driver initialed AJF.
 
It's not that I'm taking offence, it's the internet, if i was easily offended I wouldn't be on it on the first place.

It's that I find your statement incredibly... something. I don't know what way to describe it, I don't want to say idiotic because that seems a bit harsh, but it's the way you defy to see that your statement seems even a little sensationalist.

I gather I got your attention then? :)

You are thinking and I like that alot with people I intend to race with.
 
It's all good.
You compete with yourself and likewise cheat yourself. :)

I've heard that before. I've played games both ways, if anything I was cheated when I didn't "cheat". How am I cheating myself by avoiding boring repetition and by giving myself more time to play the game?
 
I've heard that before. I've played games both ways, if anything I was cheated when I didn't "cheat". How am I cheating myself by avoiding boring repetition and by giving myself more time to play the game?

Perspective is the Mother of All F...er's. ;)
 
But the human psyche does work that way but fortunately not that often.
Otherwise we'd be hip deep in Serial Killers.

If that's the case you should be realising that linking the remorse someone feels about cheating in a game to the attitude of a serial killer is plain, well, faulty logic, right?

Now, there are people who wouldn't feel remorse because they ran a cat over. I know a few people like that myself, even. However, they still aren't murderers, nor do they display anything that could be linked to the attitude of a serial killer.

Because it simply comes down to the fact that wrong does not equal wrong.
 
Is it cheating though?

I mean, I'm obviously a high enough level to buy the car, and earned enough money to buy the car. So what is the actual problem of me sending it to my secondary account, reloading the game save on my primary account, and sending the car back from my secondary account just to allow me enough money to buy another car without having to spend time grinding for more credits when I should be having fun playing the game with the cars I want?

Please, tell me, how is that cheating?

I can understand somebody using something like an aimbot in a FPS, that is cheating and I'd never dream of doing that as it takes any skill other players have and just throws it out the window because you are using an aimbot.

Using and aimbot is not however the same as trading cars from other accounts so that you can retain the money to buy other cars without grinding, you still have to have the actual skill to win the race, or else your just going to get your ass handed to you by the other players.

Also, while we are on the subject, I have traded cars over to my other account and back again to get more paint chips of the same colour, due to the 'unique' way PD implemented the paint scheme. I wouldn't mind so much if once you bought the car you would have the paint chip for the duration of the game, but no, if I want to have another paint chip again I have to go out and buy the car again, sometimes at hundreds of thousands of credits, JUST so I can paint another car a certain colour.

I gather I got your attention then? :)

You are thinking and I like that alot with people I intend to race with.

You got my attention with your first post good sir, or else I wouldn't have been on here debating for the past God knows how many posts! ;)
 
If that's the case you should be realising that linking the remorse someone feels about cheating in a game to the attitude of a serial killer is plain, well, faulty logic, right?

Now, there are people who wouldn't feel remorse because they ran a cat over. I know a few people like that myself, even. However, they still aren't murderers, nor do they display anything that could be linked to the attitude of a serial killer.

Because it simply comes down to the fact that wrong does not equal wrong.

There is more to life than being right besides the many different ways to be right that there are.

If a person has no remorse in doing wrong then they are more like a serial killer than those who do feel it.
Killing small animals by accident and not caring is cold but not the same as doing it intentionally.
 
Personaly I dont cheat but I dont care if others do as long as they dont brag about it after. I dont see what's fun or good in cheating nor what it can bring to me. But I can see why some people are doing it and totaly understand it because I cheat in others game where I have less fun or have more trouble getting what I want.

I had enough money so far to buy the stuff I want and I still got enough money ahead of me to buy any car I would like in used dealership (I'm not really fan of racing car so I dont buy high priced racing cars).

For me it's cheating as well as the aimbot same stuff. You get stuff in the game in a way you're not supposed too and you're bypassing game mechanics. Call it an exploit if you want. But you still cheat.
 
I have a clean save game, by the OP's definition. But I couldn't give a monkey's how anyone acquires their cars, even if they amass every single car by hoodwinking the system.

Feel free 👍
 
Someone gave me a X2010 for free and another one gave me a XJ13 for free, but I didn't ask them and neither did they tell me they want to give the cars to me. Never duplicated a car or anything, haven't even used the X2010 so far (will do after I tried the challenges). Does that still qualify as "clean"?
 
We all cheat ourselves in one way or another every day I'm sure.

The malice portion seems to be the sticky point for some but again originally it was all about the lack of guilt being the common theme.

A small lie or a big one is still a lie in the strictest sense.
Cheating is a lie to oneself and/or others in words or deed.


I am glad when we can all work past our prejudices.
 
Someone gave me a X2010 for free and another one gave me a XJ13 for free, but I didn't ask them and neither did they tell me they want to give the cars to me. Never duplicated a car or anything, haven't even used the X2010 so far (will do after I tried the challenges). Does that still qualify as "clean"?

How can recieving a gift be cheating?

I think it falls into the clean catagory unless you paid real money for it. :sly:
 
Genuine, top-level racing drivers are psychologically indistinguishable from serial killers. They will do whatever it takes to win and even in retrospect they do not feel guilt for actions you and I would consider morally dubious at best.

So... meh.

Quite!

Michael Schumacher did some morally questionable things during his career (some might call some of them 'cheating'), yet I haven't seen any news of him being arrested for killing anyone ;)
 
Oh my... I was going to say I had a "clean" game save but after reading through this thread I think I want to start duping just on principle! :lol: It's cheating?? Comparing to mass murder?? Wow. hahaa. :dopey: 👎

I have a "clean" save (I hate saying that...) but I would never see that as some how being better than those who want to dupe/swap/trade/give away. Maybe I got my wins in A-Spec by punting the AI on every turn! Oh no.. dirty save!! Forgive me! I'll erase it and start over.. :odd: Dirty up those saves, who cares! Lets get racing! :lol:
 
Quite!

Michael Schumacher did some morally questionable things during his career (some might call some of them 'cheating'), yet I haven't seen any news of him being arrested for killing anyone ;)

As good as he is/was behind the wheel what makes you think he would get caught? :trouble:
 
For me it's cheating as well as the aimbot same stuff. You get stuff in the game in a way you're not supposed too and you're bypassing game mechanics. Call it an exploit if you want. But you still cheat.

But with an aimbot, you literally don't have to do anything. With duping cars, I still have to be the correct level to buy the car and have enough money to buy it, meaning I still have to have advanced far enough in the game to dupe it in the first place. It's not like I can take them cars online and just hold accelerate while an aimbot like cheat does the work for me. I still have to have the skill to drive the car.

Infact, I just want to make this clear, I don't actually "duplicate" cars, I just send it to my other account, reload the game and send it back to my first account so that I still have the credits available to buy another expensive cars without grinding Indy endlessly. I never actually end up with two cars, just the credits that I originally had before buying the car.

Since the Seasonal events came I've had to do alot less of this as I can keep having fresh races to race, while earning respectable credits without having to endlessly grind which I really don't find fun.

If there was more readily available credits in the game (as I mentioned before, the Seasonal Events are helping towards this alot) I honestly think it would cut down on a lot of the duping as people would just have the money to buy the cars they want.

I want to get all 3 of the historic race cars, but I'm not willing to endlessly grind to 20 million credits 3 times to buy each one, while also holding back on buying other cars I want to drive/photograph because I can't afford to.

Sorry RX-7_FD3S, that whole post wasn't directed at you, just the first part about the aimbot stuff, I just didn't mean to go off on such a long one :)!
 
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