Do you still support PD?

[Cosbuster]

If you have a ton of these user suggestions, eventually the game is going to become an unfocused, and jumbled mess.

No, PD has managed to do that all on their own. No, I'm not completely serious but the game does suffer greatly from a lack of focus. Many features are scattered all over the place and seem more like an afterthought. Perhaps fan feedback on some sort of beta before the next game could actually help the final product.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

No, PD has managed to do that all on their own. No, I'm not completely serious but the game does suffer greatly from a lack of focus. Many features are scattered all over the place and seem more like an afterthought. Perhaps fan feedback on some sort of beta before the next game could actually help the final product.

And if they listened to the fans expressly, like so many wanted more than what they have done already, chances are it would have been unplayable. Yes, feedback is important. Which is why you have focus groups, and you have a testing process. However, you have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Cosbuster]

And if they listened to the fans expressly, like so many wanted more than what they have done already, chances are it would have been unplayable. Yes, feedback is important. Which is why you have focus groups, and you have a testing process. However, you have to draw the line somewhere.

I didn't say they would have to listen to every single idea fans would come up with, but getting feedback from a large group of people is paramount in large production games (Just notice how popular Betas are nowadays) and it would have been much better to try and iron out issues before release rather than months after it

 

[CaptainHarlock]

For those who want to run a lap around the Top Gear Test Track from a standing start, it IS indeed possible. The lap timer doesn't start until you actually cross the start/finish line. If you creep up to the starting line without crossing it, you can start a lap from a standing start. I agree that this should have been thought of before hand, but it's not a completely lost cause. And if some of you are saying "We already knew that"... well then hello.

 

[j8mie]

Sorry but I can't support them anymore.
They promise more than they can deliver. I just wish someone else would create another serious racing simulator on the PS3, to give them some serious competition and to give them a kick up the rear that they need.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

Sorry but I can't support them anymore.
They promise more than they can deliver. I just wish someone else would create another serious racing simulator on the PS3, to give them some serious competition and to give them a kick up the rear that they need.

Did they really promise more than they could deliver? Or were your expectations so incredibly high that there was no way they could ever be met? I think that's more than a fair question.

 

[Predwolf]

I absolutely still support PD, have since before it launched, and will continue to do so until they disappoint me.

The gave us a great game, and have supported that game longer than most companies do these days. Some games don't even get a single patch! I still play the game at least a couple times a week, when my schedule allows. Still have a blast, shopping for cars and trying to pull fast laps.

To be honest, I can't believe we're still seeing people whining and crying about the game not meeting their expectations. The first couple of weeks after launch were bad, but alright, that's fine. 9 months later? Don't you have something better to do than troll a game-specific forum?

 

[Cosbuster]

To be honest, I can't believe we're still seeing people whining and crying about the game not meeting their expectations. The first couple of weeks after launch were bad, but alright, that's fine. 9 months later? Don't you have something better to do than troll a game-specific forum?

So, complaining = trolling? Does that mean that praising = fanboyism? You're not giving me much else to work with here.

 

[Nero9]

I support PD, but not GT5. If GT6 turns out to be good, I might get it.

 

[Cosbuster]

I support PD, but not GT5. If GT6 turns out to be good, I might get it.

That's a rather interesting number of posts.

 

[Predwolf]

So, complaining = trolling? Does that mean that praising = fanboyism? You're not giving me much else to work with here.

Complaining within reason, within a reasonable time period: Fine.

Complaining about asinine things, almost a year after the game has been released: Trolling.

 

[Cosbuster]

Complaining within reason, within a reasonable time period: Fine.

Complaining about asinine things, almost a year after the game has been released: Trolling.

If negative things can't be said about the game 9 months later I don't see why positive should. How about closing these forums then? Who cares whether people still play the games or new players picked it up just know. Let's close the shop and go back home.

 

[Authentic718]

I absolutely still support PD, have since before it launched, and will continue to do so until they disappoint me.

The gave us a great game, and have supported that game longer than most companies do these days. Some games don't even get a single patch! I still play the game at least a couple times a week, when my schedule allows. Still have a blast, shopping for cars and trying to pull fast laps.

To be honest, I can't believe we're still seeing people whining and crying about the game not meeting their expectations. The first couple of weeks after launch were bad, but alright, that's fine. 9 months later? Don't you have something better to do than troll a game-specific forum?

I agree, 9 months in and people still complain. Its funny when people complain about PD releasing a broken racing game, please look at nfs games. People fail to realize that 1000+ cars, most realistic physics on console, top notch graphics (premiums have been said to be at a ps4 level) and they STILL complain, spoiled brats, I realize GT5 has problems but I don't see any of these problems THAT serious, maybe it's a good thing if these people stop playing. These are probably the same people that race dirty online.

 

[Tornado]

Complaining within reason, within a reasonable time period: Fine.

Complaining about asinine things, almost a year after the game has been released: Trolling.

How are them leaderboards?

 

[CaptainHarlock]

The thing though that strikes me odd is this whole "do you support them". If you don't like the game then fine, nobody is forcing you to. If you don't want to buy their next game I have no problem with that. But "support them"? You're not married to the company. They're not an ex-wife that you have to pay alimony to. This is not personal. They made a game, and there was always a chance that you might not like it. It may be semantics, but this whole thing about "support" makes me believe that some feel that they have ownership of the game, and of the series. You don't. You bought a copy of the game, that's it. You don't sit on the board of directors, and you're not a direct employee of the company.

It used to be that you bought a game, played it, and if you liked it you liked it. If you didn't you didn't. Now the internet has belabored the whole process, to the point where the process doesn't end with you turning off the console and putting the game on the shelf. I know that there's this whole idea now about making your voices heard, however there's a fine line between being a thoughtful consumer, and coming off as an obsessive fan. Far too many gamers are the latter.

 

[trk29]

And if they listened to the fans expressly, like so many wanted more than what they have done already, chances are it would have been unplayable. Yes, feedback is important. Which is why you have focus groups, and you have a testing process. However, you have to draw the line somewhere.

Okay then I blame their testers then because if someone did test it they didn't know what the hell they were doing. GT5 did not go through the proper Q&A.
It was probably PD's family and friends because they are so secretive. Don't want nobody knowing what they are doing.

I absolutely still support PD, have since before it launched, and will continue to do so until they disappoint me.

Great post. So until they dissapoint you the game is great even if it dissapoints others? Great logic.

To be honest, I can't believe we're still seeing people whining and crying about the game not meeting their expectations.

But they met yours and thats all that matters right?

 

[Predwolf]

Okay then I blame their testers then because if someone did test it they didn't know what the hell they were doing. GT5 did not go through the proper Q&A.
It was probably PD's family and friends because they are so secretive. Don't want nobody knowing what they are doing.



Great post. So until they dissapoint you the game is great even if it dissapoints others? Great logic.



But they met yours and thats all that matters right?

To me? Yes, it is. I don't care about your feelings. You are a random person, half way across the world, who is upset with a minor issue in a video game that I had no hand in building or upkeeping.

 

[trk29]

To me? Yes, it is. I don't care about your feelings. You are a random person, half way across the world, who is upset with alot of minor issue in a video game that I had no hand in building or upkeeping.

I fixed that for you.

Who sais I was upset? I'm not upset I was just trying to understand why you posted what you did. It sounded like if the game didn't dissapoint you then it was gold, if I was dissapointed and I am a random person halfway around the world that makes me a whiner? Am I right? Great argument!👍

 

[Cosbuster]

To me? Yes, it is. I don't care about your feelings. You are a random person, half way across the world, who is upset with a minor issue in a video game that I had no hand in building or upkeeping.

If you don't care how others feel about the game, then why are you here in the first place? The forums are a place to discuss and hear other people's opinions, positive or negative, ones you agree with or disagree. With that kind of attitude, you're wasting both yours and our time.

 

[Predwolf]

Who sais I was upset. I'm not upset I was just trying to understand why you posted what you did. It sounded like if the game didn't dissapoint you then it was gold, if I was dissapointed I am a whiner? Am I right?

You should read it again. Where did I say anything about people who don't like features being whiners? I actually supported legitimate complaints, and stated that I am tired of people making thread after thread about how the game disappoints them without saying anything, or by saying the exact same thing as people were stating in previous "ZOMG PD SUX" threads nine months ago.

Even worse, this spills into legitimate threads where people are discussing how to play the game, where somebody will jump in and start trying to convince other GTP'ers that they're wrong for liking this game.

If you don't care how others feel about the game, then why are you here in the first place? The forums are a place to discuss and hear other people's opinions, positive or negative, ones you agree with or disagree. With that kind of attitude, you're wasting both yours and our time.

He asked if I cared about how he felt, I told him the truth.

I'm here to discuss the game, faults and all, as I have stated before. If you would take a second and read, you would see that I have no problem with complaints about real problems, game-breaking glitches, and assorted issues of that nature.

This is getting entirely too off-topic, anyway. Point still stands.

Am I disappointed? No. That's why I came into this thread.

 

[trk29]

To be honest, I can't believe we're still seeing people whining and crying about the game not meeting their expectations. The first couple of weeks after launch were bad, but alright, that's fine. 9 months later? Don't you have something better to do than troll a game-specific forum?

You should read it again.Where did I say anything about people who don't like features being whiners? I actually supported legitimate complaints, and stated that I am tired of people making thread after thread about how the game disappoints them without saying anything, or by saying the exact same thing as people were stating in previous "ZOMG PD SUX" threads nine months ago.

Right there in post 5803689.

He asked if I cared about how he felt, I told him the truth.

No I didn't.

To me? Yes, it is. I don't care about your feelings. You are a random person, half way across the world, who is upset with a minor issue in a video game that I had no hand in building or upkeeping.

Your the one that got feelings involved!

Even worse, this spills into legitimate threads where people are discussing how to play the game, where somebody will jump in and start trying to convince other GTP'ers that they're wrong for notliking this game.

Or that we are wrong for not having our expectations met? Your paragraph is exactly what you are doing right now.

 

[Predwolf]

Right there in post 5803689.



No I didn't.

You know what, you're right. I should rephrase that.

Where did I say anything about people with perfectly legitimate complaints that are based on game mechanics that were not directly promised by PD, being whiners?

If you are complaining about a feature that isn't in the game, that wasn't promised, then you're whining.

Also, yes, you did. When you said:

But they met yours and thats all that matters right?

That is indeed, indirectly, asking me if I care what you think. I don't, and that's the beauty of it all. You don't have to care what I think either, nobody is forcing you to sit here and waste your night talking to somebody about having their own opinion.

 

[Tornado]

If you are complaining about a feature that isn't in the game, that wasn't promised, then you're whining.

Well, in that case: How are them leaderboards?

 

[NattieIce]

If you don't care how others feel about the game, then why are you here in the first place? The forums are a place to discuss and hear other people's opinions, positive or negative, ones you agree with or disagree. With that kind of attitude, you're wasting both yours and our time.

Okay, really, normally posting on forums isn't my sorta thing but I registered just to respond to this. He doesn't have to care about what a group of people feel about the game in order to post here. Hell, he doesn't have to care about what anyone thinks in order to post here, least of all on a subject like "do you still support PD?". Jumping on him isn't going to change that.

Now then, so this isn't massively off topic, do I still support PD? I suppose. I never did in the past, I hated GT up until GT5. Do I enjoy GT5? Yeah, it's fun, I play it every now and then when I'm not playing something else. Whining about crap in a well made game which has a lot of dev support since release just goes to show that no matter what a developer does, from PD to freaking BioWare, not everyone is always going to be happy. Play the game or not, enjoy it in the future or don't, but complaining because you don't get what you want is lame.

 

[trk29]

To me? Yes, it is. I don't care about your feelings. You are a random person, half way across the world, who is upset with a minor issue in a video game that I had no hand in building or upkeeping.

You know what, you're right. I should rephrase that.

Where did I say anything about people with perfectly legitimate complaints that are based on game mechanics that were not directly promised by PD, being whiners?

Sorry buddy but what you find legitimate and what I find legitimate are two different things I wouldn't call people out as whining because that is their opinion.

If you are complaining about a feature that isn't in the game, that wasn't promised, then you're whining.

I'm not even gonna state whats on the box. I love how that is everybody's argument that think people are whining.

Also, yes, you did. When you said:



That is indeed, indirectly, asking me if I care what you think. I don't, and that's the beauty of it all. You don't have to care what I think either, nobody is forcing you to sit here and waste your night talking to somebody about having their own opinion.

I reiterate I did not ask you about my feelings. You said if the game didn't dissapoint you it was ok but if it dissapointed others they were whiners.

 

[Predwolf]

Well, in that case: How are them leaderboards?

How 'bout them? A legitimate gripe, and something I won't knock.

Okay, really, normally posting on forums isn't my sorta thing but I registered just to respond to this. He doesn't have to care about what a group of people feel about the game in order to post here. Hell, he doesn't have to care about what anyone thinks in order to post here, least of all on a subject like "do you still support PD?". Jumping on him isn't going to change that.

This is kinda what I've been saying. There's no need for any of us to care, really. I came on here to voice my opinion, as that was the whole point of the thread. I really honestly don't care what other people think, either about the game itself or my opinion. I'm going to sleep like a baby tonight regardless, and probably forget about this thread within a couple hours anyway.

Now then, so this isn't massively off topic, do I still support PD? I suppose. I never did in the past, I hated GT up until GT5. Do I enjoy GT5? Yeah, it's fun, I play it every now and then when I'm not playing something else. Whining about crap in a well made game which has a lot of dev support since release just goes to show that no matter what a developer does, from PD to freaking BioWare, not everyone is always going to be happy. Play the game or not, enjoy it in the future or don't, but complaining because you don't get what you want is lame.

AKA: Haters gonna hate, blah blah blah, this whole discussion is pointless?

 

[JLawrence]

AKA: Haters gonna hate, blah blah blah, this whole discussion is pointless?

It is.

But. In respect to your original question, I do support PD simply because they gave us the best console racing to date. There are many things that are missing for sure (Official leaderboards, Porsches, caster, more courses Porsches, etc. and Porsches) but I can respect it for what it is at this point.

 

[Mac K]

The thing though that strikes me odd is this whole "do you support them". If you don't like the game then fine, nobody is forcing you to. If you don't want to buy their next game I have no problem with that. But "support them"? You're not married to the company. They're not an ex-wife that you have to pay alimony to. This is not personal. They made a game, and there was always a chance that you might not like it. It may be semantics, but this whole thing about "support" makes me believe that some feel that they have ownership of the game, and of the series. You don't. You bought a copy of the game, that's it. You don't sit on the board of directors, and you're not a direct employee of the company.

It used to be that you bought a game, played it, and if you liked it you liked it. If you didn't you didn't. Now the internet has belabored the whole process, to the point where the process doesn't end with you turning off the console and putting the game on the shelf. I know that there's this whole idea now about making your voices heard, however there's a fine line between being a thoughtful consumer, and coming off as an obsessive fan. Far too many gamers are the latter.

Exactly what I was thinking! +1

 

[Akira AC]

Do you still support PD?

I will say that it depends, PD is composed by a group of really talented people who does their job and they do it well, the problem: 山内 一典.

You see, KY practically design the game and the systems incorporated into it, and he show that a good career structure can be done without limiting the player too much(GT4), but the problem don't rely on there, the problem relays on the generation change and how PD, or rather KY handle it.

The problem relays on the different systems, assets and incorporated features that were planned by KY, the problem does not only relays on the whole Standard/Premium issues, but in other areas as well like the career structure, features, and potential uses of them.

The game suffers from several problems, the damage and levelling up systems are a joke, the whole "RPG" concept was very badly transferred into GT5, not to mention the B-spec mode and some other things like the lack of some obvious events and features, this is product of making the game updated using the dated systems that went before it, there is for example the inclusion of licenses along with the levelling up systems, both works in independent ways and cannot be applied to the same game simultaneously, likewise there are the SP events, which unfortunately are very badly planned and crafted poorly to their potential.

The game also suffers from bad planing, which can be attributed to KY, some of the systems like the track editor and the weather changes could have been better used, Apart form that, there is also the lack of the most basic features that we found in racing games on these days, like leaderboards.

I don't really see problems with PD's job, I see the problems with its planning, and that seems to be problem that affects GT5, bad planning. Games like these should be designed by a group of game designers and creative directors, who can work together and analyse the problems that each concept or feature carries, KY has an alternative career as racing driver, and I starting to see that such thing might be the cause for the badly decisions done to the game.

(*Checks further down the thread*)

Now I get it.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

BATTLEFIELD 3 is coming. They'll have time to come up with something cool .
I support PD. They only need to add some DLC, soon. For this year. That's what we need

You mean something like the Gillette Camaro? How do you fancy a speedstick Challenger? A Listerine Mustang? Ohhhhh the possibilities!

Oh you mean in the way of actual new cars? bahahahaha!!!