The problem is that too many of you think that those of us who aren't incessantly complaining are stupid.
You both must have missed my bullet point on how long the game has been out. This isn't January. The game has been out for nearly a year now. Complaining about the same things over and over ad harfium is seriously old. Complaining about them even more will change nothing. You guys act like the amount of grumping will result in something. Like if you whine to your mom enough, eventually you can get her to do anything you want.
Creating a game of the scope of GT5 from scratch takes time. Lots of time. Six man-months per car, up to two-man years per track. Have you done the math on that? And no, I'm Standards of either.
Saying that Forza has a "sweeping variety of cars" is really pushing the bounds of definition. They have a lot of supercars, muscle cars and race cars, in fact, about as many as GT4 has. Maybe a few more. If you want a game with true car variety, that's Gran Turismo, bar none. If you think GT has too many dinkmobiles, that may be true, but I prefer GT5's stable to Forza 3's.
And you ask what GT5 has that no other game has. I'll tell you.
It gives me the opportunity to virtually own hundreds of cars I can't get in any other game, and put me in them like no other can. And make them all fun. No, I'm not a cockpit guy, obviously, but that's my choice. It has a near perfect Nurburgring. It has a number of things I love that you guys poo-poo. Forza 3 is pretty good, but other than the livery editor they do about as well as anyone else, which just doesn't satisfy me. And the flaws in F3 had me drop the game after two months, never to return. But I'll be racing GT5 until GT6 comes out, even with the release of Forza 4.
You may find it odd that we don't get as sore as you guys do over the game. You may hate the fact that we don't recycle the same complaints for almost a year now. Well, we understand that saying the same things a few times is enough for most normal humans. We see that PD is listening. We move on and wait for the changes. You may call us lemmings. Whatever. We're not hung up on a board for nine months repeating the same things endlessly. We're racing and enjoying ourselves, which last time I checked is the whole point of a game. If you just can't enjoy GT5, I guess it's time to ignore you.
Tenacious D, by sweeping we mean manufactures even if it is one car to the name they have a great deal of manufactures on the equal or to the cusp of GT. Let's not quickly forget that GTs claim to fame for having so many cars is because of how many similar or exact same models of Japanese cars they have. Not too many people know about the Morgan Aero, but many will now thanks to FM4. The problems we complain about are still relevant, so not sure how your saying we're talking about issues that were major in January as if they still are now. I am not saying that! I still play the game and see every update and know what is fixed and what isn't and what is added and what still isn't. Once again we don't live under a rock, what do you like that I supposedly loathe on the game? You go out on some personal attack, as if we're insulting your intelligence because you wont see it our way, but in reality you're blowing it up as if we're trying to change GT5 and your train of thought. That is an assumption on your part and I've said several times but will remind you again I only hope for a great GT6. This doesn't mean I don't support PD but just think GT5 could have been better and it's not a fringe group that agrees. You go on saying that you somehow understand things after said a few times and obviously I've had to rehash this several times because you don't understand. Please I ask you to inform me and everyone else that disagrees what we are repeating about, you say this over and over in your argumentation but never show the slightest example or demonstration of what that is instead of being vague.
I too am racing like I've said, I also am in several GTP tournaments on GT5 that I participate in. The idea that I just sit cross legged in my chair at home is weird…especially considering that I have a life outside of GTP and GT5 and tend not to post here for many lengths at a time. So the last bit of your argument is more emotional draw than anything else really, pure assumption really. People are essentially saying that GT5 screwed up from the get go, doesn't make much sense why seeing the other massively developed games that don't need updates once or twice a month a year after it was put out. Most normal humans do complain about same issues, especially when they're not fixed…guess you haven't' read much about politics but when people invest time and money into things they don’t want a diminishing return, which is what some of us feel to have received.
I've agreed with you on several points and so have other opposite of you, yet you ignore that on your response back and go on some directive as if we never agreed with you. Other games have let you own hundreds of cars and performed to the expectations they were given by the company that made them…GT1-GT4 are obvious games, so was FM-FM3 and soon FM4. Just saying you villainies us yet we agree with you on various points, not sure how that works. Dinkmobiles…not sure what those are but I have an idea and that comment isn't really called for.
So I did your math on the car for the six "man" months it would take…the problem is the number gives more than how many cars they have considering how many years the game was in works, as well as the number of employees. So I broke it down further and still got more even if only 100 or 80 which is slightly under the mark of cars that we have. However, you begin to take in variables like number of cars that look alike and probably didn't need a major redo do to being so similar, yet you cant count that variable. Also as CSL pointed out and others you have tracks which there are variations to many of them, so it is unlikely their QC (Quality Control) would make them spend time- especially if we're to believe your time frames- doing a similar track all over when minor things would be taken out. Once again where are you getting your math from, or was it all hypothetical?
Did anyone see the BBC documentary called Secrets Of the Superbrands? One section offers a potential insight as to why anyone who criticises GT5 comes under fire from a certain section of the forum.
This short article discusses the relevant section of the documentary here
http://news4geeks.net/2011/05/21/ap...o-religious-devotion-according-to-scientists/
This makes a lot of sense and I'm glad you brought it up. This shows in a scientific light to what people tend to be doing here by fighting for PD, just because the perception of their image seems to have change from early 00s to now. I've played the game since number 1 back in the mid 90s as a kid and an avid but growing car lover. However, rationally looking at this game compared to those before it, there are significant flaws that weren't seen in the games before it. Now there is a lot of new stuff but it is some of the old stuff that they even messed up on, items they've been familiar with doing for a decade plus now. I totally agree with your comment and the article but it wont change much I'm afraid.
If you were completely devoted to something, if you loved it so much (and weren't afraid of it), surely you'd not be afraid of doing what YOU can to improve it? Eg. A customer providing feedback to the producer via e-mail...
COMPLAINING and WHINGING are two very different things.
It's funny you say that cause I asked Sony U.S.A through email how to do this and I was told and also used their system to give feedback and have done so. If I have the emails still I'd be willing to show you that some of us complainers aren't whining, but debating the issues. So yes they are two different things for sure, but haven't seen anyone one here go all caps and say I want new cars now PD. When it does happen though that will be the day we have people whining in the forums over this issues. The people complaining openly here, think that doing so is going to catch the eye of PD, and this is justified seeing as it is only the biggest news outlet on GT next to the PD website and Sony.
But seriously, thanks for the good words. I try and actually contribute to this place now and then.
This is not the thread you were looking for, move along now.
