Well, I did skip a few things because I frankly disagreed with them and wanted to keep to the major point of my post. One thing to keep in mind is that when I use the terms "you" or "you guys," sometimes I'm not so careful with my distinction, when I'm referring to the general rabble of complainers.
But if you missed how many posts have the very same laundry lists of complaints listed over and over, you either have a big Ignore list, or you skip a lot of threads.
I disagree with your remarks that the other race game makers give us what we want and are pretty plain with their statements, and mention Forza as a specific example. You must not be aware of how many flame wars were waged over Forza 1, and going back and trying it a few years ago, I remembered why getting into it was such a frustrating experience, it's a mess. You must have missed all the rioting when promised features in Forza 2 were quietly removed prior to release, and the fans got grouchy, then rioted over them when the final list was unveiled, or how to this day it's called Forza 1.5. Or Forza 3 with its broken file handling system, as I posted in another thread, which makes collecting pics, decals, liveries or anything in the game other than cars an ordeal, or how terrible and broken the photo sharing system is. Or how many people rant over Codemaster games, or Ferrari/Supercar Challenge... you name it.
The ONLY difference between GT5 and these other games is that our complaints are unique, due to the fact that the issues are so strange. But saying other games are way better... sorry, not my list of games.
You say the arguments are overheated on both sides. Well duh. When those of us who like the game are attacked for liking the game, that gets old and naturally tempers flare. When as I said, the same complaints are recycled and thrown at us as if we haven't seen a hint of them, despite playing the game for nine months now, that gets old too. Tempers naturally flare. Have you ever heard arguments in which someone shouts, "This is the
millionth time you've said that!"? Seriously, guy, you
have to have seen this here at some point.
As Max Pontiac pointed out with one frequent poster here, some people even lie in their arguments when you dig through their post history. While that may not bug you, for most board hoppers, this is kind of a cardinal sin. Especially on a subject which has become about as touchy as Gran Turismo 5.
You say that GT5 is something of a disaster. Well, sales are still going on past the 6.5 million mark, user reviews are right around 9.0, critics above 8, so I'd say your opinion isn't widely shared. Forza 3, out almost a year earlier sold only 4.9 million. After a year, only 3 mill.
Saying issues with GT5 "isn't Polyphony's fault"... sorry, I don't follow you, never really said that.
You mentioned that you did the math on the time taken to model the Premium cars and tracks, and it didn't add up to five years worth of work. Did you include necessary down time like eating, sleeping? Spending time with family? Just goofing off to unwind for a while? Did you exclude work done on Tourist Trophy and GT PSP? I have a feeling you just did gross totals, as if the guys at PD were just always at the desk robots or something. But my math is that it takes
135 man-years to produce 230 Premium cars and 10 Premium tracks - I'm not sure how many tracks there are. But if your result is different from that, your math is off.
Now these are just two issues, and I just don't have the time to slog through your posts for all your points, but hopefully this covers a few of the bigger ones.
Yeah... after porting in cars and tracks from Froza 2, which had cars and tracks imported from Forza 1, along with a lot of work farmed out to modeling shops in the Orient too... imagine that.
This
untrue meme is a virus that just won't die...
