Do you think Gran Turismo would be better if developed for the PC?

[Aureus]

Yeah, and the ignorance of PC-players is, that they have no idea of developing games. They are always talking about PC-power, but have no idea how hard it is to use it in complex engines.

Yeahhhhhhh no. Not at all. We're well aware of that. But fortunately developers are capable of using that power and building the engines to do it. Even though it is a difficult task.

 

[gtracedriver]

The question here is not PS3 or PC they knew when PS3 was released what to expect from it. They released GT5P in 2008 so suddenly now it cannot be a problem.

 

[realwerewolf]

Yeah, and the ignorance of PC-players is, that they have no idea of developing games. They are always talking about PC-power, but have no idea how hard it is to use it in complex engines.

And console gamers do? you surely don't. LMAo, console games are designed on PC, learn the facts, then made to run on console using whats called a dev kit. PC development is easy, its making the high and low spec thats a pain. doesnt change the fact Ps3 cant hold a candle do even a modest PC by todays standards.

 

[Big Ron]

You should read al my posts to see, that I am not ignorant but understand the complexity of developing games and it is wasted money to invest time in a community, which is three times smaller than on consoles and where a lot of steeling modders are hided.

I can tell you something about sim-racing on PC:
I spend 5 years of my life with PC-sim racing like rFactor, GTR2 or GT Legends. And I modded a lot for those games... modeled car, 3d-models and together with other modders created useful mods.

The really not funny thing is, that you realise, that some ******** modders steel every content from other games they see, to use it in their own game.

So play rFactor for example and you will get content from F1 2010, NFS Shift or Forza 3.

And that is, what game developers also see....and their reaction is? No cool racing games on PC....

So, and now tell me something about your PC-power.

 

[mva5580]

Obviously it would be better, and I'm not even going to waste my time reading all of the responses to a PC-related thread. Games are just better on PC, period. And nowhere NEAR as difficult to obtain as people make it out to be. Can I take a guess though? Some of the responses probably include:

- "lol no way noob it costs $3k to have a good pc, u fail lololololol"
- "You can only play PC games on small monitors in front of desks, that's no fun. I want to play on the couch and that's impossible with a PC!"
- "You can't use controllers on a PC, mouse & keyboard w/ GT would be impossible"

Things like that? I can only imagine the ignorance and lack of education flying in this topic.

 

[realwerewolf]

i maxed out crysis in 2007 with a 8800Gt on 720 p........ it looks way beyond anything on console, Pc didnt cost much..................

 

[realwerewolf]

You should read al my posts to see, that I am not ignorant but understand the complexity of developing games and it is wasted money to invest time in a community, which is three times smaller than on consoles and where a lot of steeling modders are hided.

I can tell you something about sim-racing on PC:
I spend 5 years of my life with PC-sim racing like rFactor, GTR2 or GT Legends. And I modded a lot for those games... modeled car, 3d-models and together with other modders created useful mods.

The really not funny thing is, that you realise, that some ******** modders steel every content from other games, they see to use it in their own game.

So play rFactor for example and you will get content from F1 2010, NFS Shift or Forza 3.

And that is, what game developers also see....and their reaction is? No cool racing games on PC....

So, and now tell me something about your PC-power.

HUH? Your post makes no sense considering the best sims are Pc racig sims........................

 

[code_kev]

I would say that GTR evo is a pretty cool racing game. The game is hardly content light.

Modders importing models from other games has been going on for years, I thought it was pretty cool myself. For example, why model a car when you can get an accurate one from else where? I'd call it common sense.

 

[Akira AC]

The ignorance in your post and this thrwead is scary. There are already vastly more complex games then Gt5 on PC, and no, it wont cost much. The tech ignorance here is amazing. A good gaming rig wont set u back more then 600 these days and last several years. PC has a heck of a lot more power to do complex games, get real.

Ignorance on you since graphical processing needs to be done according to each graphics card like nvidia or radeon,two drivers,ram management which is supposed to be done by the OS but sadly the game engine have to help the management of memory usage and each ram have different speeds so it has to work according to each speed,also the processors have to handle different loads depending on the memory and graphics card performance.

Besides its all down to the developer to get the best out of a game,Games like GTA4 were more suited for console due to the massive PC requirements and apart from that the graphical power of this generation is meant to be enjoy with max setting and not with 600 bucks mediocre graphical setting.

I think I just explain why console gaming is better in the graphical part of games,in some cases.

 

[Big Ron]

HUH? Your post makes no sense considering the best sims are Pc racig sims........................

That´s your opinion. Mine is, that they are outdated...and that´s why I run over to console.

 

[realwerewolf]

Ignorance on you since graphical processing needs to be done according to each graphics card like nvidia or radeon,two drivers,ram management which is supposed to be done by the OS but sadly the game engine have to help the management of memory usage and each ram have different speeds so it has to work according to each speed,also the processors have to handle different loads depending on the memory and graphics card performance.

Besides its all down to the developer to get the best out of a game,Games like GTA4 were more suited for console due to the massive PC requirements and apart from that the graphical power of this generation is meant to be enjoy with max setting and not with 600 bucks mediocre graphical setting.

I think I just explain why console gaming is better in the graphical part of games,in some cases.

You didnt explain crap, Gt4 was a PORT, not designed for PC from the ground up, and a bad one froma dev that has a history of bad ports... Bully was not hard graphically, was outdated yet performance was poor. look up bad port please.

The GP can do 3-4 times the processing as console, and CPU's can do a lot more physics, lets not get into the memory limits on console, which KAZ has complained about. No, you are wholey ignorant. Just because PC's have different configs doesnt mean console wins graphically, its not even close. Consoles are still stuck on dx 9, PC is on Dx 11., and much hogher resolutions and AA.

 

[realwerewolf]

That´s your opinion. Mine is, that they are outdated...and that´s why I run over to console.

Then that explains a lot, your clueless. PC sims are outdated yet Gt5 doesnt even have proper damage, qualifying, much in the way of tuning........ or any decent online component. LMAO.

 

[Aureus]

Ignorance on you since graphical processing needs to be done according to each graphics card like nvidia or radeon,two drivers,ram management which is supposed to be done by the OS but sadly the game engine have to help the management of memory usage and each ram have different speeds so it has to work according to each speed,also the processors have to handle different loads depending on the memory and graphics card performance.

What.. what are you even trying to say? You just... make no sense to anyone who actually knows a thing about PC hardware. Every game codes for Direct X. The Graphics Card driver handles Direct X. No one codes to graphics cards. Almost nothing in that sentence makes any kind of sense. And no, you don't have to change anything to use ram of different speeds.

Besides its all down to the developer to get the best out of a game,Games like GTA4 were more suited for console due to the massive PC requirements and apart from that the graphical power of this generation is meant to be enjoy with max setting and not with 600 bucks mediocre graphical setting.

600 bucks you say?

Tom's Hardware says you're full of it, and they use a $400 PC.. $400 can run Call of Duty : Modernwarfare 2 at highest details, 720p with 4x aa at 72.8 fps. Note that Crysis still rapes systems.

 

[gtracedriver]

If the game is not optimized no PC will be able to run It is better to make game on a fixed platform like console so they know exactly what is possible and they do not have to worry about other things

 

[dmeech]

I dont know why theres an argument on whether a PC could handle a game like GT5, of course it could in every aspect. As console games are made using PCs. So undoubtedly GT5 could be the exact same if not unfathomably better were it on PC.

A more fitting question would be is whether or not it would be as successful a series were it made for PC. Personally, I dont think so.

Theres large marketing behind console gaming, (not to say PC games dont) So spreading the word on a game and developing a following is a bit easier with console games. As Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have alot invested in the success of games. Whereas in PC gaming the developers hold more responsibility in trying to market a game since there's no one standing beside them trying to get peoples attention for their own gain.

 

[Akira AC]

You didnt explain crap, Gt4 was a PORT, not designed for PC from the ground up, and a bad one froma dev that has a history of bad ports... Bully was not hard graphically, was outdated yet performance was poor. look up bad port please.

No idea what you meant.

The GP can do 3-4 times the processing as console, and CPU's can do a lot more physics, lets not get into the memory limits on console, which KAZ has complained about. No, you are wholey ignorant. Just because PC's have different configs doesnt mean console wins graphically, its not even close. Consoles are still stuck on dx 9, PC is on Dx 11., and much hogher resolutions and AA.

Memory limits could be true but processing powers is just a simple made up concept,if they can do 3 to 4 time processing then why PC games like black ops or BC2 doesn't look as good on PS3 or Xbox,apart for the tweaking over the game itself like the addition of higher resolution textures and effects that games do not have,PC have to manage OS and OS technology for games is pretty poor comparing,games can look good on PC but they require a lot of tweaking and a lot PC to be run(there is where your $600 pc fails).

 

[Big Ron]

Then that explains a lot, your clueless. PC sims are outdated yet Gt5 doesnt even have proper damage, qualifying, much in the way of tuning........ or any decent online component. LMAO.

Everyone can have his own opinion. My request to a game is, that the complete package of the game has to be great and not only two parts of it.

For me, a game is not great, when it has a cool online mode, just physical damage (but a useless visual one) and a three years old physics engine.

For me a racing game needs to have good skills in every part of it.

And to underline your discussion about PC is better than console: compare GTA4 between both systems or NFS Shift. Both were not perfect on PC, not to say they were not even optimised to run smooth on it. And that is one example of alot.

 

[Aureus]

If the game is not optimized no PC will be able to run It is better to make game on a fixed platform like console so they know exactly what is possible and they do not have to worry about other things

Just.. just shut up. Please. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. The PC uses a discrete set of standards already. When you develop for the 'PC', you are literally developing to 'the PC' in one go. You do not have multiple platforms to deal with. This is true to the extent that Developers use the same development tool to create a game for the PC, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 at the same time.

 

[realwerewolf]

No idea what you meant.



Memory limits could be true but processing powers is just a simple made up concept,if they can do 3 to 4 time processing then why PC games like black ops or BC2 doesn't look as good on PS3 or Xbox,apart for the tweaking over the game itself like the addition of higher resolution textures and effects that games do not have,PC have to manage OS and OS technology for games is pretty poor comparing,games can look good on PC but they require a lot of tweaking and a lot PC to be run(there is where your $600 pc fails).

Black ops and Bc2 on Pc blow away Ps3 and xbox dude, wpw, get a clue. Bc2 in Dx11 blows away anything on either console, geta clue. You are also flat wrong, my pc with a 4870 radeon plays every game out on max settings, no tweaking, blows away my PS3. Saying those games look better on console is one of the most moronic things said in this thread in a thread full of them. look up some graphics comparisons online, do some research.

 

[realwerewolf]

Everyone can have his own opinion. My request to a game is, that the complete package of the game has to be great and not only two parts of it.

For me, a game is not great, when it has a cool online mode, just physical damage (but a useless visual one) and a three years old physics engine.

For me a racing game needs to have good skills in every part of it.

And to underline your discussion about PC is better than console: compare GTA4 between both systems or NFS Shift. Both were not perfect on PC, not to say they were not even optimised to run smooth on it. And that is one example of alot.

Gt5 doesnt meet that requirement.

 

[Aureus]

If the game is not optimized no PC will be able to run It is better to make game on a fixed platform like console so they know exactly what is possible and they do not have to worry about other things

Just.. just shut up. Please. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. The PC uses a discrete set of standards already. When you develop for the 'PC', you are literally developing to 'the PC' in one go. You do not have multiple platforms to deal with. This is true to the extent that Developers use the same development tool to create a game for the PC, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 at the same time.

Memory limits could be true but processing powers is just a simple made up concept,if they can do 3 to 4 time processing then why PC games like black ops or BC2 doesn't look as good on PS3 or Xbox,apart for the tweaking over the game itself like the addition of higher resolution textures and effects that games do not have,PC have to manage OS and OS technology for games is pretty poor comparing,games can look good on PC but they require a lot of tweaking and a lot PC to be run(there is where your $600 pc fails).

Because the developers don't make special higher resolution models or physics for the PC. If its not there to render, then it can't be rendered, no matter how powerful your PC is.

 

[Big Ron]

Just.. just shut up. Please. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. The PC uses a discrete set of standards already. When you develop for the 'PC', you are literally developing to 'the PC' in one go. You do not have multiple platforms to deal with. This is true to the extent that Developers use the same development tool to create a game for the PC, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 at the same time.

Whats your problem, dude? He is right....or why do you think, multi-platform titles are buged like hell?

 

[ZX636-R]

How come everytime a game comes out, it would automatically be better on PC? I don't get this kind of thinking. More power doesn't mean better game. There's no such thing as "enough power" yet, and certainly not for Kaz.

It COULD look better, but the chances are, it could also actually look worse. Why? Because they have to target the average computer, not the most powerful. And don't think there wouldn't be complaints. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

More power doesn't necessary mean better game. The potential is bigger, but it's all up to the developer.

Either way, this is a pointless hypthetical question, because Gran Turismo will not ever be a PC game unless Sony decides to stop making consoles and become multiplatform or PC only developer.

having the ability to mod the game would definitely make it better ... how many things would you like to change in the game right now ... but you cant and on pc you would be able to

 

[realwerewolf]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413005

Pc version blows away both console versions in black ops. learn the facts kid.

 

[realwerewolf]

Whats your problem, dude? He is right....or why do you think, multi-platform titles are buged like hell?

no one is talking about bugs, graphics, try and keep up.

 

[realwerewolf]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/...how_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-57152121&pid=960188

to the clown who said Black ops looks better on console, LOL.

 

[NOS Waster]

Since I am not going to read 8 pages of the following type:
Idiots thinking they know anything about PC tech.
Then the people who know PC tech denounce them as idiots and tell them what is right.

I will put this simply:
YES. GT5 would run so much better on a computer.
End of post.

Continue.

 

[gtracedriver]

Just.. just shut up. Please. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about. The PC uses a discrete set of standards already. When you develop for the 'PC', you are literally developing to 'the PC' in one go. You do not have multiple platforms to deal with. This is true to the extent that Developers use the same development tool to create a game for the PC, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 at the same time.

I know however if developers screw it up like GTA IV then only few PC can run it. There is no use to make on PC because lots of kids will just download the pirate copy anyways. All PC games are port from consoles I know that

 

[realwerewolf]

I know however if developers screw it up like GTA IV then only few PC can run it. There is no use to make on PC because lots of kids will just download the pirate copy anyways. All PC games are port from consoles I know that

The witcher, Stalker, Crysis, Diablo, Valve games, Star Craft, Civ IV say , Battle field (not a port) say hi..................

The witcher 2 looks sick.

 

[Akira AC]

I will not continue with this silly argument,all I have to say is:

1. Console is more user friendly (disc on tray and play with max settings)

2. Its all down to the developer to take the advance of the hardware(that is why there is game with the nvida and radeon compatibility list.

3. Console cost about 250 to 350 US dollars,while good PC platforms cost around 600 to 1000, dollars.

Yea you an tweak your PC at top but not everyone will do that,and not everyone will pay a fortune to make one.

too much self win in this thread,anyway