Dodge Dart: DEAD?

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Wow, that interior looks like it's been taken straight out of the 90s. Why the hell can US car manufacturers not seem to do good looking interiors? They always look really cheap and badly designed. I mean what the hell is that red thing all over the dash?! :indiff:
 
That's a very generous way of putting it, I think.

I'm a reasonable chap :lol:

Wow, that interior looks like it's been taken straight out of the 90s. Why the hell can US car manufacturers not seem to do good looking interiors? They always look really cheap and badly designed. I mean what the hell is that red thing all over the dash?! :indiff:

What are you comparing it with? It looks no worse to me than any other car in that class.
 
What are you comparing it with? It looks no worse to me than any other car in that class.

Anything. My £20 Argos desk looks better. Hell, the interior of my Yaris is better and it's grey. And quite old now.
 
Anything. My £20 Argos desk looks better. Hell, the interior of my Yaris is better and it's grey. And quite old now.

What sort of criteria are you judging it on though? I mean, it's not very symmetrical compared to most modern cars, but I consider that a good thing as driver-focused dashboards are dozens of times better than symmetrical ones as far as ergonomics are concerned.

Materials-wise it seems fine too, and I've not heard any problems about the interior following the Detroit show.
 
I think they deserve to succeed with it, it's clearly a solid effort.

I was always a bit disappointed with the Caliber. Much of me wants to like it, because I quite like the way it looks, and it's clearly a car with potential... it was just executed very poorly indeed. Quality was pretty dubious and by most accounts I've read it didn't really handle either.

I always thought that the Caliber would make a good Jeep Compass... I like the exterior, but it looks so... big, especially for a compact. But it was the interior that killed it for me - to look at it was too angular and to touch almost made my skin crawl - very cheap and flimsy I found.

The one I was in was equipped with a CVT, which sufficiently killed acceleration so as not to worry about handling! :)
 
What sort of criteria are you judging it on though? I mean, it's not very symmetrical compared to most modern cars, but I consider that a good thing as driver-focused dashboards are dozens of times better than symmetrical ones as far as ergonomics are concerned.

Materials-wise it seems fine too, and I've not heard any problems about the interior following the Detroit show.

I'm judging it on aesthetics, and from that standpoint in my opinion it looks bloody awful. You can still make good looking driver focused dashboards, just make the layout similar but don't put ridiculous red piping all over it. It's not in Tron.
 
I'm judging it on aesthetics, and from that standpoint in my opinion it looks bloody awful. You can still make good looking driver focused dashboards, just make the layout similar but don't put ridiculous red piping all over it. It's not in Tron.

I personally think it works well. It's certainly more pleasing on the eye than the Giulietta on which it's based inside, the Alfa's "stacked" look ends up looking a bit cheap. With the Dodge you've got a fairly simple upper dash - some vents, and a large, clear touch-screen - and then the lower dash just houses the heating controls.

The red stripe visually ties the instruments and touchscreen together, and the console between the seats is nice and free of clutter - just a pleasingly simple gearstick and a handbrake lever.

I know personal taste comes into it but I can't see how the Dodge is that much worse than anything else in the class. It's far less "busy" than the Ford Focus, more interesting than the Golf, a bit more grown-up than the Cruze... and importantly, about a billion times higher quality than the Caliber which it replaces.
 
I personally think it works well. It's certainly more pleasing on the eye than the Giulietta on which it's based inside, the Alfa's "stacked" look ends up looking a bit cheap. With the Dodge you've got a fairly simple upper dash - some vents, and a large, clear touch-screen - and then the lower dash just houses the heating controls.

The red stripe visually ties the instruments and touchscreen together, and the console between the seats is nice and free of clutter - just a pleasingly simple gearstick and a handbrake lever.

I know personal taste comes into it but I can't see how the Dodge is that much worse than anything else in the class. It's far less "busy" than the Ford Focus, more interesting than the Golf, a bit more grown-up than the Cruze... and importantly, about a billion times higher quality than the Caliber which it replaces.

Dont forget more "mascline" than the Elantra and worlds better than the audi A3...Dont know any other car where you can store your Cellphone and Ipod in a neater location than the dart thats not in the Center Console. that space under the controlls is neat.
 
That's a very generous way of putting it, I think.

Indeed. The Caliber SXT (or perhaps all non-SRT-4 variants) were banned from SCCA autocross competition due to the rollover risk, a distinction shared with only three other cars. One of those other cars is the Jeep CJ and another, IIRC, is the Suzuki Sidekick.
 
The Dart will be using Hyundai transmission.

Its also, technically, using two Hyundai engines.

Both the 2.0L and 2.4L were co developed between then DaimlerChrysler, Hyundai and Mitsubishi.
 
and another, IIRC, is the Suzuki Sidekick.


Yeah. Something I discovered sadly....

This Dart thing... I think I'd have to drive it to see if I wanted one. It looks ok, but... I just dont know. I think I'd rather have a Focus Hatch or Fiesta even.
 
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Noooooo. :lol:

It's not the new 8 speed, is it?

I'd like to see a source for Cale's claim anyway. Dodge themselves said there'd be six-speed manual and six-speed automatic options - rather than the 8/9-speed option touted before more details were released.
 
Noooooo. :lol:

It's not the new 8 speed, is it?

No, it's the 6 speed auto. As YSSMAN said, the 2.0 and 2.4L engines were co developed wit Hyundai and Mitsubishi, so why not use a Hyundai sourced transmission?


Hyundai CEO John Krafcik has confirmed that the Korean automaker will supply Chrysler with transmissions for its new Dodge Dart, according to Car and Driver. While the two automakers may seem like odd dance partners, the tie-up makes plenty of sense. Both companies use engines born out of the now-defunct Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance with Mitsubishi. As a result, 2.0- and 2.4-liter four-cylinder engines found in the Dart share more than a few strands of DNA with the same displacement engines found under the hood of vehicles like the Hyundai Sonata. Needless to say, it shouldn't take too much effort to get the Hyundai gearbox and Chrysler engines to play nice.

We say "shouldn't" because according to Car and Driver, the American manufacturer is reportedly having issues getting the transmission properly calibrated to obtain the lofty fuel economy numbers necessary to satiate the powers that be in Washington. Chrysler hasn't confirmed the move as of yet, and Hyundai is keeping its lips sealed on which transmissions are headed to the Dart line. Even so, if Chrysler's engineers are struggling over calibration, chances are it's a six-speed automatic.

So... what about those lofty 40 miles per gallon claims claims Chrysler was bandying about at the Detroit Auto Show? C/D hypothesizes that figure may be reliant on a specific engine and transmission combination, be it turbocharged 1.4-liter turbo four-cylinder and a dual-clutch gearbox or a 2.0 and a six-speed manual. Curiouser and curiouser.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/19/dodge-dart-to-use-transmission-from-hyundai/
 
Thanks for providing a source 👍

Seems quite strange even so - since the 2.4-litre, Chrysler-originating engine will actually be getting attention from Fiat, gaining the MultiAir system. Real mixing pot of engineering, that engine.

Also strange since the 1.4 is entirely Fiat's engine, and Fiat have zero prior connection with Hyundai - so I would have thought the transmission would either be a Fiat one, or specifically developed by Fiat/Chrysler for the car.

Though the 1.4 will probably get a different six-speed auto to that of the 2.0/2.4.

I don't see where the confusion is in Autoblog about the 40mpg claim - I thought it was common knowledge that the figure referred to the Dart's highway economy with the 1.4.
 
The 2.4 is pretty interesting. In Hyundai spec it makes 197hp.

Before you mentioned it up there I wasn't even aware it had any Hyundai connections. I knew the new Dart was getting two engines that had previously been in the Caliber, just re-worked (2.4 in particular) but never knew they were also used by Hyundai.
 
Also strange since the 1.4 is entirely Fiat's engine, and Fiat have zero prior connection with Hyundai - so I would have thought the transmission would either be a Fiat one, or specifically developed by Fiat/Chrysler for the car.

I was under the impression that the 1.4T would get the dual-clutch gearbox, or the nine-speed auto.
 
question? why would they spend $$$$ one something thats gona last atleast 2 years? They have the 9sp comming. the Auto is just a placeholder. they had the Dry Dual Clutch tranny but they were affraid it wouldnt work well with people so that was cutt.
 
Before you mentioned it up there I wasn't even aware it had any Hyundai connections. I knew the new Dart was getting two engines that had previously been in the Caliber, just re-worked (2.4 in particular) but never knew they were also used by Hyundai.

Yeah, it's called the World engine. That was the source of what is now being independently branched out anyway. Hyundai's Theta is different (especially now with all the DI and turbos) but they all evolved from the same project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engine_Manufacturing_Alliance#The_World_Engine
 
Dart GTS 210 Tribute
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The performance upgrades available in the Dart GTS are pretty straightforward. The Stage 2 performance kit gets you an improved air-flow intake and a low back-pressure exhaust to bump the 2.4-liter Tigershark Multiair2 engine's output from 184 to 210 horsepower. If you want changes to the suspension, you're going to have to look elsewhere.

For those of you who just want to show off, you can order the Stage 1 appearance package, which nets you some matte-black trim, spoilers front and rear, a rear diffuser of questionable aerodynamic merit and 18-inch forged alloy rims. Oh, and you also get that carbon hood with a NACA-style scoop.
http://jalopnik.com/5881351/the-dodge-dart-gts-210-tribute-shows-off-naca-duct-goodness
 
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I'd love to have one of those, if the price was right. Unfortunately, I've got a feeling that the price is going to end up somewhere in the $20k+ range.
 
Well, it would be the price of the Dart plus the cost of the Mopar bits and pieces, and then the cost of dealer installation. So, chances are that the Dart GTS 210 would probably be well north of $25K out the door, about on par with a loaded Ford Focus Titanium or a Chevrolet Cruze RS.
 
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