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- SolidMatt9
I dont understand people who grind. With 300+ cars in my garage why would I possibly spend my time grinding one race with the same car?
Does having to "Grind" to Earn diminish the game for you?
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I guess it also depends on what your priorities are and your strategy is early on.
For me it's fairly simple, I decided early on (before I even got the game), the Premium cars where the ones I really wanted (as I prefer cockpit view) to collect and drive.
I've traded quite a lot in the early stages of playing the game as I got the sneaky suspicion it might be limited later on (turned out I was right) which got me most of the very expensive cars I wanted (MarkIV, P4, 2 Miura's, 787B, etc., etc.) leaving plenty of cash to spend on the other cars.
If you want to collect every single car, including all of the multi-million Standard cars, I suspect the "grind" can become tiresome very quickly.
For me right now, I just use A-spec events (and the Seasonals) to earn easy money and use them mostly to test set ups for new cars as the 'real' racing is done online in my opinion.
Therefor I don't 'need' to grind the same race over and over again (although I did race the same events over and over again with different cars because I enjoyed driving those cars and earned cash and XP points in the proces), and even when I wanted to earn a lot of credits I never grinded that Indy event over and over again as a lot seem to do, sure, it's by far the quickest way to get a lot of cash but also the most boring, try some other events for a bit of variety (not saying these don't become tiresome but at least you can drive other cars on other tracks).
For me it's fairly simple, I decided early on (before I even got the game), the Premium cars where the ones I really wanted (as I prefer cockpit view) to collect and drive.
I've traded quite a lot in the early stages of playing the game as I got the sneaky suspicion it might be limited later on (turned out I was right) which got me most of the very expensive cars I wanted (MarkIV, P4, 2 Miura's, 787B, etc., etc.) leaving plenty of cash to spend on the other cars.
If you want to collect every single car, including all of the multi-million Standard cars, I suspect the "grind" can become tiresome very quickly.
For me right now, I just use A-spec events (and the Seasonals) to earn easy money and use them mostly to test set ups for new cars as the 'real' racing is done online in my opinion.
Therefor I don't 'need' to grind the same race over and over again (although I did race the same events over and over again with different cars because I enjoyed driving those cars and earned cash and XP points in the proces), and even when I wanted to earn a lot of credits I never grinded that Indy event over and over again as a lot seem to do, sure, it's by far the quickest way to get a lot of cash but also the most boring, try some other events for a bit of variety (not saying these don't become tiresome but at least you can drive other cars on other tracks).
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- GT5Racer0
Damn, GT mode was a drag... I completed %95 percent of the game, then turned to A-spec grinding to get every premium car in the game. Now, I'm working on all of the standard race cars and rare ones from the used car dealership. When I'm not grinding, I mostly race arcade mode and online, what I wanted to do from the beginning, but I had to earn the overpriced cars that I wanted... >.< I will likely not pick up GT6 if these shenanigans are in it too. Stupid grinding. Good simulator. Terrible game.
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- Exorcet
- OE Exorcet
Grinding is pointless, especially in a driving sim. Every car and track should be useable from the start.
The thing has made GT Mode almost bearable for me is glitching and exploiting. I have no interest in that part of the game, as it is basically beyond current technology to make it as exciting as online. I would like it if GT Mode was purely optional, because it's not adding anything to the game for me.
No it shouldn't. The way it should be is everyone gets what they want. Why should people have to wait for a car? There is no reason. None at all. And then in GT, they just make it excessive. You pretty much get zero money (zero divided by 10 if you race online a lot), yet getting a good portion of the game's cars costs millions.
1. The X1 is the fastest, so = max $/time. If you're not using the X1, you're just causing yourself more pain. I could have 1000 cars to grind with. It wouldn't make A-Spec a racing mode. All the drivers besides me would still be without the slightest racing ability. There would be no practice or qualify, no decent amount of laps unless I completely didn't care about earning money (pathetic endurance pay out). Grinding with anything but the X1 isn't grinding because then you're not making money, which is the point of grinding in the first place.
2. The X1 is so fast, maintance costs can be ignored. I use the X1 only in A-Spec so I don't waste my other cars in A-Spec. All my good cars are reserved for online only so I get the most out of them. A-Spec/B-Spec grinders have only one purpose, to generate as much money as possible as fast as possible. The faster I get money in A-Spec, the more I'll have to enjoy the game.
The thing has made GT Mode almost bearable for me is glitching and exploiting. I have no interest in that part of the game, as it is basically beyond current technology to make it as exciting as online. I would like it if GT Mode was purely optional, because it's not adding anything to the game for me.
No it shouldn't. The way it should be is everyone gets what they want. Why should people have to wait for a car? There is no reason. None at all. And then in GT, they just make it excessive. You pretty much get zero money (zero divided by 10 if you race online a lot), yet getting a good portion of the game's cars costs millions.
1. The X1 is the fastest, so = max $/time. If you're not using the X1, you're just causing yourself more pain. I could have 1000 cars to grind with. It wouldn't make A-Spec a racing mode. All the drivers besides me would still be without the slightest racing ability. There would be no practice or qualify, no decent amount of laps unless I completely didn't care about earning money (pathetic endurance pay out). Grinding with anything but the X1 isn't grinding because then you're not making money, which is the point of grinding in the first place.
2. The X1 is so fast, maintance costs can be ignored. I use the X1 only in A-Spec so I don't waste my other cars in A-Spec. All my good cars are reserved for online only so I get the most out of them. A-Spec/B-Spec grinders have only one purpose, to generate as much money as possible as fast as possible. The faster I get money in A-Spec, the more I'll have to enjoy the game.
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Thank God for remote B-spec. Otherwise, I would have quit playing this game a long time ago. Instead of grinding myself for money like I've did before so I can buy the cars I want to enjoy driving, I just leave my PS3 on overnight to remote race. I don't care about getting to level 40, or beating the game quickly, which is what a lot of people think why others grind. I just want money for the cars I want to drive. But they jacked up the prices of a lot of the cars ridiculously high while making a lot of the events pay a low amount of money. It was never like this in the previous four games.
GT Mode is a utter mess. Period.
GT Mode is a utter mess. Period.
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- SolidMatt9
You completely missed my point. There are 300+ cars in my garage that I want to drive. Why would I waste my time driving only 1 of those on the same track over and over? Im not on a pointless mission to collect every car in the game as quickly as possible and then only drive 1% of them.
And why would you reserve your cars for online only? You have to put over 5000 miles on them before the engines start to permanently lose power.
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They either need to let us win multiple prize cars and have the ability to sell the prize car too or make the higher level races worth doing by increasing the prize money instead of just giving us our BFH
i also wish the would use the jackpot system off the psp version somewhere in this version of gt too
i also wish the would use the jackpot system off the psp version somewhere in this version of gt too 
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- Flsurffisher
Couldn't have been said better! Agree! The faster I get money the more I'll enjoy the game because I'll be able to "DRIVE" the cars I REALLY wanna DRIVE!
Ford GT LM - 3.6 Mil
908 HDI - 4.0 Mil
X1 - 20 mil
F10 - 12.5 Mil
FGT - 4.9 Mil and you have to have it to grind with to make money for the other cars soonest.
Been playing the restart over 15 days and have only earned 3 mil to date. How long ya gonna make me wait to get the cars I WANT to drive?!?!
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- GTP_mcfizzle
- LotsaMcfizzle
I honestly haven't grinded at all. I am level 31 A-spec and I am in no hurry to get to 40. I play the game all the time, but rarely do A-spec until the in race save is implemented. Remote racing makes all my money, I'll do seasonals here and there, but spend most of my time doing the WRS. I have honestly enjoyed this GT the most of all of them, even with all it's faults. This is a game that should last years, and I am making it do that, last years.
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- chuyler1
Seriously? I race about 2 hours a night with about 12-16 other drivers. Winnings per race are usually under 50k but we run several a night. Between that and having people run my B-Spec drivers remotely I clear 1 mil a week easily, sometimes 2 mil. The sad part is that i spend about 500-750k a week on cheap cars. I never pass up something interesting in the UCD.
So grinders, try out online racing and you'll forget about the 20 mil car you must have. Find some events in the online section of this forum or start your own event. You'd be surprised how much fun you can have in cars that have less than 300hp. This game was not designed to be finished in weeks, or even months. I installed it in January and I'm around level 32 a-spec without a single day of grinding. There are still events i have yet to complete but every night i have a ball racing friends online. When and if I ever reach level 40, it will be a well deserved journey.
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I've done literally thousands of laps around Indy in the A-Spec American Championship in my Ford GT LM Spec II race car... Same car, same race. I've earned tons of cash and XP from it, but I hate it at this point.. I barely even play GT5 anymore because the grind ruined it for me, it's just not fun anymore.
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I've reached level 40 without having to grind that much. Just do the Nurburgring 4 hours in competitive cars and mix it up with a run in the x2010 now and then. The racing in competitive cars is great fun and I also had fun with the X2010 making a 2 hour time trial of it. Some cars I've used were a Tuned (not fully tuned) Ferrari 458, Lancer X, R8 and a stock HPA Audi TT and some more. Just make sure the AI isn't in an Amuse GT1 Turbo or a R8 LMS and it will be a great race.
B-spec was a grind until the endurance series. If I didn't want the platinum trophy I never would have played B-spec.
B-spec was a grind until the endurance series. If I didn't want the platinum trophy I never would have played B-spec.
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Not saying the current system is perfect as it is seriously flawed in many aspects but what you're suggesting is the complete opposite and definitely not shared by me, as earning cars and progressing 'from the bottom up' is one of the core aspects of any GT-game, in fact GT started this whole structure with the very first game and I still find this system very enjoyable.
It makes buying a car much more of an 'event' and it feels much more 'your car' than it would if you just simply selected it from a menu and could repeat it instantly.
You are 'forced' to make a much more conscious choice, and choices regarding buying/game progress strategy, when you have to buy a car rather than simply selecting it.
GT might be a sim regarding driving physics, etc., it's also a type of game you buy into or not (pun intended).
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I doubt that anyone would do such a thing. What I'm trying to do is collect 1000 cars and then enjoy all of them, something that should be as simple as turning on the game but sadly isn't.
Right now, I'm forced to split my time between racing and expanding my car collection. There's no way around it. I don't see why I should be forced to make that compromise.
I reserve my cars for online only because I don't like the idea of paying for GT Auto. It just adds to the amount you need to grind. The less I have to spend, the more time I can focus online.
I must disagree. If I found a Formula 1 car sitting in the middle of the street, it would be no less special than one I worked 10 years for. It's the same product. Likewise in the game, if I started off with 1000 cars, it would be no different than having earned 1000 cars except I would have been spared the frustration involved with the latter.
All the cars in my garage are mine, and seeing an integer pasted on the screen go up and down has no effect on that at all. I really can't relate to what you are saying. But it doesn't matter anyway because you can have your credits and I can have free cars at the same time.
I also feel that GT Mode has no strategy whatsoever besides grinding. Outgunned in a race? Grind another race until you have enough money to either super tune your car or buy a car that will outgun the AI. It's been possible since GT1. My very second car in GT ever was a Dodge Viper GTS. I did the High Speed Ring spot race 86 times and I was faster than the entire beginner league. This has been the case in just about every GT. The whole idea of strategy in GT is an illusion because the game will just throw money at you so long as you do the right things. There would be strategy involved in beating GT ASAP or with the least money spent/cars bought, but those aren't even parts of the game.
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Why do people do this? I agree, that race is boring. So why do it?
It's true that winning Indy in the A-Spec American Championship earns you cr the fastest. But you can earn over 80k cr from racing one lap around the ring in the dtc. The european championship races also grant you over 80k and far more cars qualify for this event than the American Chmp.
Don't get me wrong, I think earning cr in GT5 takes too long (given the cost of some cars). However, I find earning cr is actually fun if I don't fixate on earning it as fast as possible.
Save Indy for the rubberbands.
The grinding that is GT5's end-game is 10x worse than any JRPG I've ever played, and it can go straight to hell. I haven't played GT5 since the last 'Bonus Race,' and I won't return to it until either a new 'Bonus Race' is supplied, I get my steering wheel (late May), or it becomes GT6. Until such a time, there's plenty of other games to be played that aren't a total waste of my time.
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It should be very clear that half of grinders have no concern over level at all. The level system is meaningless, so why chase it?
Grinding to me is doing things getting in the way of enjoyment. That's basically what A-Spec is. I'm not going to stop the people who enjoy A-Spec, but if there's a way to make to the game where everyone get to have fun, I'll support it.
Grinding online isn't grinding, I could do the same race in the same car for weeks online. Once offline is too many times.
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- machschnel
Look at GTR2. Arguably one of the best sims out there and everything is unlocked from the word go - tracks, cars, the lot. Did this make the game bad? Ofcourse not. I actually enjoy playing it far more than GT5.
I enjoy playing racing simulations. In this type of game, the only hard part is (and should be) the driving. GT5 is more a "life simulation", where getting the car, saving money etc is hard (a la life), but the driving/racing is easy.
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- SolidMatt9
I dont see how you could resort to grinding if you actually drive all of your cars. I only have 1/3 of the cars and there are still quite a few of them that I havent driven or tuned yet. Most of the cars you buy, you make back your money in 1 race. I suppose if I bought racing softs and every upgrade for every car that I would be a little short on cash. As it is, I've been buying cars lately just to keep my money under 20 mil.
And I still dont understand reserving your cars for online. Surely a 250 cr oil change isnt breaking your bank? The money from one race will get you enough money for at least 100 oil changes. You'll have to drive a lot of miles before you need 100 oil changes.
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- Exorcet
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GT Auto can cost up to 1,000,000 per car. It's engine overhaul and chassis that I'm talking about.
As for driving cars, the only thing that limited me before was the favorites list. Now that that's gone, I pretty much use everything in my garage (also around 300 cars, with a quite a list of cars I've not even seen in the UCD left to get). And yes, I do buy every removeable upgrade for every car since all I like to do is race online.
Everything that I've bought I've pretty much driven at least once. If there anything I haven't driven, it would be the small list of prize cars I didn't like, like the Vitz.
As for driving cars, the only thing that limited me before was the favorites list. Now that that's gone, I pretty much use everything in my garage (also around 300 cars, with a quite a list of cars I've not even seen in the UCD left to get). And yes, I do buy every removeable upgrade for every car since all I like to do is race online.
Everything that I've bought I've pretty much driven at least once. If there anything I haven't driven, it would be the small list of prize cars I didn't like, like the Vitz.
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- Finland
It means that there's no need to do the same race 20 times in a row and then get all out of shape because of it. Nobody's forcing you to have every car at this very second - that's your own choice should you want it - and the money will come by itself over different races as the time goes by. The game is about racing, racing brings money. It comes as a side product of actually playing the game.
But if you really want everything now (or preferably yesterday as it seems to be for many people) without having to move a finger I have to conclude you bought the wrong game. GT doesn't work like that, it never has and probably never will.
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- Exorcet
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I'd are the opposite. Online racing is a challenge, and it's fun to do. But it doesn't pay. Offline is just repetitive, but that is where the money is. Doing away with purchasing cars is the best option, but the very least PD could do if they're going to force buying cars on us is letting us have fun while making money. For me, it can't be done offline.
It never will if people keep saying it never will.
