I know but its all the same, or at least it processes as the same thing in my head. Not that I lose sleep over which is quicker. I just dont see the point in arguing over it. Debating over it, which ever. It seems like a kinda obvious question to me. If I wanna go fast around a track, I'll grip. If I wanna have an awesome time, and fool around, I'll drift. Yes, I admit, drifting can be quicker around certain corners. But like what? 80% of the time, grip is alot faster. And 80% of the time, drifting owns grip in enjoyablily. If you make a grip car, with say a random # of hp. Lets say 600. Grip car with 600 Hp. And then you make a drift car with 600 hp. You drift one lap around, say Midfield. Then you grip around midfield, chances are the grip is going to be faster. If you mix it up, grip a bit, drift a bit, thats probably going to be the fastest time. If this is wrong, please correct me.