drift faster than grip

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:D i will agree that its not the only form of 4 wheel drifting... i will say 4wd has two parts... throttle steer as a limit and 4 wheel exhibition as all 4 wheels drifting...
 
It is the best argument in the forum. I learned a lot from just this one thread. Where did the name "4-wheel drift" originate from anyway? I think throttle steer is a better name for bengee's definiton anyway. Drift is too misleading of a word (nowadays).
 
like keitshi said, a drift is only advantageous in a 180 slow hairpin. otherwise, in other turns, if u take drift and grip on exactly the same line (which u are supposed to, drifting follows the same line as grip), then grip will be faster. if u don't believe me, then go to a track day, and go drift (or try to) and tell me that you are driving faster than the grip guys...gran turismo is close to the real thing, but it is not the real thing =).
 
i have settings that can go both grip and drift, but yeah grip is faster, but i've seen this video of two WRX STI, and one drift and one grip, the guy that is drifting pulls away hella faster then the gripper one, i dont know about that, but its pretty cool, you'll have to download from some thread back far that has all kinds of videos
 
This is be easily proven by going into arcade, and pick ''hard''. Home garage, pick your drift car and drift around the track of your choice. It comes out that drifting you enter/exit the corner quicker, but going through the turn, grip is faster. On the straight, when you are able to do Manji, its slower, and grip is faster.


Drift: Faster exit, enterting speeds. Straights is slower, do to lack of TCS and ASM.
Grip:Faster going through the corner. Much quicker on straights because HP is most likely higher, and because if the TCS and ASM are on, that helps alot, too.


Problem solved?
 
well its true if you're talking about your garage cars, which you bought it and fix up, and then the computer cars, which they have in is JGTC cars, those cars are made to grip, i mean i pick a Nissan Skyline R34 fully upgrade and it can go both grip and drift with super soft tires, i cant even win them if i drift on the corner, they go so fast, but they're cars are built that way, not mine skyline, if two skylines are racing with same setting, it will be different, but it all comes to skills no matter what
 
No I have an RX-7. Stock with sims. Thats all. TCS and ASM and stuff also, of course, off. I pick hard and it throws NSX's at me. Which consistly beat me in the long run. 5 laps of a grip NSX vs a drift RX-7. You get the point.
 
BUT. I enter the corners at least twice their speed and exit quicker. I know they're computer players and all, but it does do a little study.
 
yeah thats true too, i'll have to tried it again, because its been awhile sinces i race with computer cars, i mostly spend my times learning new set ups for drift setting, and i just learn more things from akina on sunday, it really improve my drifts, i will get a good setting with faster times and race the HARD mode again
 
I always drift in hard, its fun. Eccspecially when you watch the replay from the front bumper of the car behind you.
 
yeah i watch the replay onces, it is really cool, when you drift in HARD mode, what tires do you use anyways, not super soft right
 
Nah. Sims. All sims now, but before I used Super Softs.


But after I got used to sims, and got good with;em, I havent went back. They're so much smoother..
 
i did try them like 10 times, and damn im not use to it though, i always go far out, i got some angles very good and i drift all the way with my first try on sims, i use my SS tire technique on sims and its pretty good, i think drifting 2 players with sims is going to be more harder, thats what i think but i never try, i'll ask akina to teach me, he can drift sims pretty good, but he told me, he doesnt like the slowness, but for me, i like angles, the more sideways, the better, i'll try sims this week and response back if i improve or not
 
... I thought four-wheel drift means that all of your tires are slipping, for example when you're tail-sliding excessively and not countersteering but turning front wheels into the turn, and that's definitely going to slow you down, even with 4WD.
Drifting can sometimes be a little bit faster than grip driving but you need lots of power so you can accelerate all the way through the turn, a technique you would be calling powersliding.
No matter what kind of technique you're using but if you're not accelerating with power oversteer your sliding is only going to slow you down.
I've noticed a few times this really is true when I've been driving against myself with maxed out JGTC cars, first doing ultimately fastest lap possible with grip and then chasing the ghost drifting the corners where you need to slow down first (using the same setup of course) and I've managed to pass the ghost usually around apex of the corner :D
Feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood something about this :lol:
 
Oh weel looks like bengee already explained 4-wheel drifting better in the previous page, sorry for not reading the whole thread first :D
 
I have explained it several times as in depth as i understand it... it's slip angles are dependent on car down force and tire side wall stregnth...
 
im sure theres gotta be a circumstance where drift is faster than grip, i have not read the pervious 14 pages, but there must be.....
 
well for my opinion, i think it depends on skills and it depends on settings, but i use both grip and drift, all it matters is the setting and your skills, i'll try to make a video of drift versus grip, because akina can beat mine STI with his S15 drifting and i grip, we both made a fast time on Trial Mountain of 1:20:xxx when we race 2 player on arcade mode.
 
welcome drifter gal...
read the past fourteen pages... mainly the really long posts and the surrounding ones... i am not sure if i ever gave a satisfactory response to what 4 wheel drifter really is... or rather y it occurs... if you would like one i would create one in this thread.... as well as a compilation of what has occured in general throughout this arguement...

stop bragging night drifter... we all know you use super softs... we all know you can get 1:20... and i believe we all know someone has beaten your time with a 22b... someone we all respect and well whatever...

There is no need for a drift versus grip video night drifter... because if you really wanted to know you would have joined one of the competitions i held below... the first one was on super softs anyways... i should do some more of them... just put them all out there for people to do...
 
but when you do a one player replay is different from a 2 player replay, because when you play 2 player, the car handles differently, but i'll check it, ohh and now i figure a new setting for my STI 22B it should be more faster then 1:20, but havent play it yet, busy thast why
 
I hate to break it to you guys, but grip is always going to be fundamentally faster than drift. THe mere fact that so many drift afficianados have to keep saying "well I'm sure there is some circumstance that drift is faster" would leave a person to believe that grip is the established, fast way to drive and drifting is always going to be slower (when compared against drivers with similar skill levels).

Bengee's definition of 4 wheel drift (as I understand it) basically is to say that you are driving a grip style but simply pushing slightly beyond the envelope of grip, so as to maintain a balance of car pitch throughout the corner and set up for the exit a bit early. To call this style the definitive "fastest" style may be correct. However, to say that this is a drift strategy is ludicrous! Bengee's definition of 4-wheel drift is nothing but driving a grip style but adding a small amount of slip to get the rear rotated for the exit (mind you, this strategy will ONLY be faster than true grip on a very tight hairpin such as the 180 degree turns of R11). THe basis of this so-called 4-wheel drift is still rooted in a grip driving style.

If you want a true grip versus drift comparison, you must compare true grip to true drift (ie absolutely no slip compared to massive slip). To mix the elements of the two (drift/grip) will never prove anything.

As far as rallying goes, those cars are set up specifically for drift because 99% of rally courses utilize slick surfaces (such as dirt, snow, ice etc). Of course when they do encounter tarmac the cars are still going to drift there because they are still set up for it. Drift is most certainly the proper strategy in a low grip environment and the pro rally racers know this. But to say that that same strategy translates to fast street racing is flat out wrong. Watch any road race on TV sometime and see how many drivers actively drift as a racing strategy. I have only ever seen a few drivers drift and it is usually due to a mistake (too much speed on corner entry/exit).

In summary, drifting is fun. It looks cool on replay. It demands alot of driver skill to balance the car in a true, sideways drift. But is drift as purely fast as grip? The answer is no. Go to the Skip Barber racing school sometime and ask him. I already know what he'll tell you.....
 
I am only going to say this once so make sure you're paying attention; going by the logic behind MSpec///'s GT3 tuning Guide, it can be stated accurately that drifting is logically slower than grip. Drifting is just 10 times funner than grip (unless you're masterful at the game and know how to fly with grip...)
 
I can't beleive this thread is still goin', Do people still wonder about this.:confused:
Grip is faster( you don't need a PHD in physics to figure this one out). Drift is slower, (but more stylish, and way more fun).:D
 
Originally posted by Majin SSJ Eric
However, to say that this is a drift strategy is ludicrous!
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How can you say that? If the wheels are sliding, how can you say it is grip style and not drifting? Just because it's fast and doesn't actually sacrifice speed is the only reason you are excluding it from the definition of drifting, in which case don't you think that defeats the purpose of arguing because you are obviously biased?
 
After reading what you said majin... i would think that tailo or perg (i forgot who i was arguing with before) would have agreed with you... however i stick firmly to my belief that there is more to life than exhibition drifting... and that any time where you are slipping and slip angles (however slight) are involved you are no longer gripping... This causes me to venture to say that truie drift... ture racing drift is always present any time someone wants to go fast...

Anyways... rally drivers drift much of the time because the roads are ****ty and they are unfamiliar with the course... in other words they have no such opportunities that would prepare them for perfect driving that other racers would...
 
Originally posted by bengee

There is no need for a drift versus grip video night drifter... because if you really wanted to know you would have joined one of the competitions i held below... the first one was on super softs anyways... i should do some more of them... just put them all out there for people to do... [/B]
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i like the drift versus grip comp. but then i like using super soft, about medium tire, its cool too, i just care about the times when you reach the finish line, it doesnt matter about how the cars corner, thats my opinion that i like, but its good though, my setting is for super soft, if i drive Medium, then i'll have to find another settings, its pretty hard and takes pretty long for me
 
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