drift faster than grip

bengee · Jul 22, 2003

i am glad you agree with me thio lol... oooooo silver member

Ethix101 · Jul 22, 2003

dayum..715 posts and you just joined like less than 2 months ago hehe

bengee · Jul 22, 2003

lol... what is better... this forum or writing a lab report

Thio · Jul 22, 2003

The obvious! The Lab Report!!!!!

bengee · Jul 22, 2003

i think that post was as long as some of mine in this thread

Night_Drifter · Jul 23, 2003

its not how you grip and your faster, its how good you are when your driving, because techniques gives your all the option to doing anything fast and easy, so when you lower the lap time, that means your doing good and keep studying the track to go as fast as you can, and turn as fast as you can too, but its gonna take a lot of skills and 100 percent into the games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ethix101 · Jul 23, 2003

Originally posted by Night_Drifter
its not how you grip and your faster, its how good you are when your driving, because techniques gives your all the option to doing anything fast and easy, so when you lower the lap time, that means your doing good and keep studying the track to go as fast as you can, and turn as fast as you can too, but its gonna take a lot of skills and 100 percent into the games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

man..you need to slow down when you type or something because 90% of your posts don't make any sense. Go back and read what you wrote..or maybe it's just me that doesn't understand it.

kirkis9 · Jul 23, 2003

no no, thats a new england dialouge thats commonly used. known as the "crik rowd"

pergatory · Jul 23, 2003

It sounds closer to engrish to me, actually. Not all the way there though, just half-way. Keep trying dude!

Night_Drifter · Jul 23, 2003

hahaha sorry people, my bad, oh well i should of say anything at all, anyways you guys have fun ok, laters!!!!!!!!

bengee · Jul 23, 2003

poor guy

pergatory · Jul 24, 2003

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to discourage you from posting. Just read your post over again after you've written it and make sure that you have typed what you meant to say. If you make a bunch of changes, read over it again. I always do just to make sure I didn't say something really stupid, which happens occassionally.

bengee · Jul 24, 2003

hahahaha....

a common occurance for me...

anyways... it makes me so sad that this thread is dying... lets argue somemore people jk...

seemed like this thread was one of hte few really interesting things to post on.... every once in a while a good thread comes up but.... i guess i will have to wait

therat1989 · Jul 27, 2003

Ive noticed that some corners are better drifted and some are better gripping. If you could grip and drift on the same lap you could knock of around a full second at some tracks. Probally 4-5 at SSR11. Just a theory. I'm an awsome grip driver but cannot recover from sliding and am just starting to learn how to drift. :banghead:

sny_pher · Jul 28, 2003

Originally posted by therat1989
Ive noticed that some corners are better drifted and some are better gripping. If you could grip and drift on the same lap you could knock of around a full second at some tracks. Probally 4-5 at SSR11. Just a theory. I'm an awsome grip driver but cannot recover from sliding and am just starting to learn how to drift.

Yep, I agree 101%.

In addition, I think that confidence also has a part to play, for example, if yuou feel more comfortable drifting around a corner than gripping through it, then by all means do the style which you feel most comfortable. Doing something against your personal style would probably slow you down...

Which is why I can never beat Schumacher.

Driftster · Jul 28, 2003

I dissagree, because i'm sure most of the corners he's talking about, you could beat your normal time, just by you know, riding the wall.

sny_pher · Jul 28, 2003

Originally posted by Driftster
I dissagree, because i'm sure most of the corners he's talking about, you could beat your normal time, just by you know, riding the wall.

pergatory · Jul 28, 2003

That's not realistic though, I'd like to see you do that in real life.

Night_Drifter · Jul 31, 2003

humm not to be nice but i dont think you guys are any faster at all by the way you guys talk, thats all because you need to study the track and think about it, for me, i even dream about when i sleep of how to make my turn go faster

Jay · Jul 31, 2003

you go to bed like :confused:

and you wake up like :eek:

then you try the corner :irked:

and try

then

bengee · Jul 31, 2003

when did all this talk happen without me... lol viper

pergatory · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by Night_Drifter
humm not to be nice but i dont think you guys are any faster at all by the way you guys talk, thats all because you need to study the track and think about it, for me, i even dream about when i sleep of how to make my turn go faster

How nice of you to assume you know what we think about in our spare time. Speaking of talking, I've never seen any of your videos, do you have any?

bengee · Jul 31, 2003

he drifts with akina 86... at least i think that is him...

pergatory · Jul 31, 2003

Is he good? He insults us and at the same time doesn't really seem to be making any point at all from what I can tell, aside from stating that we're all obviously inferior to him. I tend to notice behavior like that coming from those who know little about what they're discussing. I'm not jumping to conclusions or anything, I'm just saying he should put a little more thought into his posts if he's going to bother posting at all.

halfracedrift · Jul 31, 2003

Well, ok
Watch rallying. On tarmac OR dirt, the commentators will describe a 'perfect turn' as a 'four-wheel-drift'.
By definition, four wheel drift is taking the best line, but going OVER the adhesion limit just a little bit. The reason there is the term 'drift' there, its because you've broken adhesion limit. Basically what you're doing is just slipping the tires a TINY bit, and setting the car up for the maximum speed throughout the turn. Someone *i forget who..* said that four-wheel-drift is COMPLETELY SIDEWAYS. It's actually false, because that's what exhibition drift is.

Some of you may disagree with me... but.. whatever..

TruenoAE86 · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by pergatory
Is he good? He insults us and at the same time doesn't really seem to be making any point at all from what I can tell, aside from stating that we're all obviously inferior to him. I tend to notice behavior like that coming from those who know little about what they're discussing. I'm not jumping to conclusions or anything, I'm just saying he should put a little more thought into his posts if he's going to bother posting at all.

Yeah he is good, but there have already been HUGE and I mean HUGE flame wars involving him and akina VS the rest of us here at GTP. Lets hope it doesnt come to that again.

TruenoAE86 · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by halfracedrift
Well, ok
Watch rallying. On tarmac OR dirt, the commentators will describe a 'perfect turn' as a 'four-wheel-drift'.
By definition, four wheel drift is taking the best line, but going OVER the adhesion limit just a little bit. The reason there is the term 'drift' there, its because you've broken adhesion limit. Basically what you're doing is just slipping the tires a TINY bit, and setting the car up for the maximum speed throughout the turn. Someone *i forget who..* said that four-wheel-drift is COMPLETELY SIDEWAYS. It's actually false, because that's what exhibition drift is.

Some of you may disagree with me... but.. whatever..

No I agree, because you are right... well, more or less. You don't really go over the adhesion limit you kinda sit right on top of it, and this causes the wheels to slip rather than slide. That's just technicality so it doesn't really matter.

With today's high tech tires, slip angle are barely noticeable but you can still see it in GT class races and if you ever get to see Cascar (like Nascar) on road courses they do it too. For rally races on tarmac some of the corners are incredibly tight so drifting a little more may allow the driver to get on the gas a lot earlier. But yeah, you definitely have the right idea.

There really should be an official online racing guide, with real references not just someones opinion. These "discussions" would be settled so much faster and wouldn't keep coming up every month. Also it would minimise the false information that is already out there. Anyone have a link to some real information?

pergatory · Jul 31, 2003

I don't know where you guys got this definition for four-wheel drifting but it's wrong. I don't know if it was me that said four-wheel drift is completely sideways, but I agree with whoever it was. It's like you said, you are setting the car up for maximum speed (actually at the exit, not necessarily through the whole turn, although the setting up part happens throughout the whole turn and is actually just a little bit slower at the entrance). In order to do this you have to achieve the exit angle before you exit the corner. In other words, you're sideways.

TruenoAE86 · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by pergatory
I don't know where you guys got this definition for four-wheel drifting but it's wrong. I don't know if it was me that said four-wheel drift is completely sideways, but I agree with whoever it was. It's like you said, you are setting the car up for maximum speed (actually at the exit, not necessarily through the whole turn, although the setting up part happens throughout the whole turn and is actually just a little bit slower at the entrance). In order to do this you have to achieve the exit angle before you exit the corner. In other words, you're sideways.

I just read back a few pages, and pretty much every thing bengee said is true.

I got the definition of 4-wheel-drift from the instruction booklet of GT2, its in there somewhere, and from a bunch of stuff Neon duke(or is is neoduke? i forgot) and Cudaman have said. Where did you get your definition of a 4-wheel-drift?

If you read Cudaman's drift guide you will see that he states

"There are several meanings associated with this word. So for the sake of clarity here, when I refer to drifting in this document I'm talking about "exhibition drifting" - the kind performed simply because it's fun and challenging. It has nothing to do with fast lap times except in extremely rare circumstances. The four wheel drift, a racing technique for faster lap times, is not discussed here."

Of course Cudamans word are not law, but I think they hold a certain amount of sway here at GTP.

The four-wheel-drift is very much like grip driving and has very little to do with being sideways.

bengee · Jul 31, 2003

ok as i said before... the slip angle of four wheel drift has everything to do with the corner you are entering... if its a very sharp hairpin... most likely the fastest wayt hrough the corner is to exhibition drift the first parts.... regain grip and four wheel drif the second half... of course in this circumstance you will be sideways for a bit... however the slip angles in 4 wheel drift are not as big.... this is simply becuase of what i stated earlier... teh slip angle results from being at hte limit of grip right before kinetic friction causes a loss of grip... if the limit is exceeded greater slip angles are achieved...

trueno said
You don't really go over the adhesion limit you kinda sit right on top of it, and this causes the wheels to slip rather than slide. That's just technicality so it doesn't really matter.

which is what i have been basically saying this entire thread...

if you want to see noticeable 4 wheel drift... go watch older f1 grand prix's... fromt eh 50's and 60's... before df and high tech tires...

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