drifting / grip racing techniques

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Long-Drifter
left foot is used for grip tech. on the EG6 ain't it?
Ok, I can see that you're really trying to understand. But why on God's green earth would you associate a technique to a single car in Initial D?

you can use it in FF and AWD. It doesn't really make to much sense to do in FR.

Left foot braking is all about shifting weight to the front to improve traction. That's why it was developed. I actually believe it was developed in FR cars but it works better in FF.
 
this guy needs to use the freakin edit button and not post stuff and call other's wrong.

"left foot is used for grip tech. on the EG6 ain't it?"

Long drifter do you just watch ID and take stuff on thier seriouslly? what an idiot man you actually thikn theres one techqiue that only works on a certain car..too much id for you , idiot man.
LFB works on all car's. Did all the stuff you post come from ID? if so just leave this forum now.
 
^ LOL.. Yeah... seems like he doesn't know what he is talking about.. I mean.. I dont know much about cars.. but i dont go and say obvious things like that... hey btw nice icon ryen that dog looks like a bear :lol:
 
My dog is a black lab mixed she's at full size. And about the bear comment , you are right, she can get agressive like all women eh.

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Ryen49
this guy needs to use the freakin edit button and not post stuff and call other's wrong.

"left foot is used for grip tech. on the EG6 ain't it?"

Long drifter do you just watch ID and take stuff on thier seriouslly? what an idiot man you actually thikn theres one techqiue that only works on a certain car..too much id for you , idiot man.
LFB works on all car's. Did all the stuff you post come from ID? if so just leave this forum now.


Ryen, I can understand your anxiety or whatever the term is for the general mood or so I can figure for what's said. I too am an Initial D fan but as far as I can figure, beforehand seeing that, I had a few YEARS of knowing about cars to a HIGH degree and how they are driven to know a few things.

Swift
Ok, I can see that you're really trying to understand. But why on God's green earth would you associate a technique to a single car in Initial D?

you can use it in FF and AWD. It doesn't really make to much sense to do in FR.

Left foot braking is all about shifting weight to the front to improve traction. That's why it was developed. I actually believe it was developed in FR cars but it works better in FF.

As Swift said, it can be used in FF and AWD, I would sighly disagree with how he said it dosen't make much sense to do it with FR, but then again, it depends on the situation and corner, not to mention (the very) car as well. Sometimes you may need to use it, other times not so, plus unless I got something wrong, Yuichi from Initial D in episode 12 mentioned that the Left Foot braking technique is not ofthen used with FR cars, that means obviousy it's not exclusive to FF (well that’s how I’d figure anyway, blame my parents for making me want to think outside the box or a least in that sense since I could learn how to talk...). Sorry (Long drifter) for sounding like an addtional nail for the hammer to drive in but that's the case or so the fan-subbed version I saw (I would look at the Tokyopop version but then I'll hear the complaints about that company...as if I didn't hear it a few thousand times already...and to go slighly off topic...take a look at this....http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9542816/ look somewhere on that drawing and you’ll notice something...now to go back onto topic...).
It’ probally be said already, but I’ll say it again, it’s understandable why it would be used in FF and AWD more so than FR or other rear drive drivelines, why? Because power is transfered to the front tires, the car tends to understeer, both cars suffer from this duing acceleration. To deal with this, left foot braking is used for very sensitive control at the very limit to keep weight off the rear and to keep the car on the ideal line as much as possible losing as little speed as possible. It could only be really used on a rear drive car with actuall sucess if for example you miss the idea line to take a turn and you’re understeering, a similar case with all other cars and you don’t want to lose a lot of speed...

Ottoman
I think i understand your questions

before i begin if u need any terms explained just say so, but for now i'll assume u know what i'm talking about

when Toe and Heeling... or Double clutch u only "blip" the throttle u don't hold it down... u blip it inorder to rev match .. u let the clutch back out and continue braking while using the Engine braking at the same time... the reason for rev matching is to make it smooth to minize any "jolts" in teh tranny and potentially upseting the balance of the car.. (much liek Shift lock Drifting) so toe and heel.. a)keeps u in the right gear to exit the corner, b)helps braking force by using engine braking...

as for a Clutch it has little to do with RPM... all it does is Transfer power from the engine to the tranny/wheels/ground etc... as the power of the car increases u need a stronger clutch with more "bite" in order to transfer that power without "slippage" i.e. "lost power"

the Fly wheel.. improves engine response.. the upside is that revs rise very quick and into the power band... disadvantage is that they fall just as fast and out of the power band... so it's a double edged sword...

Ah, now I get ya, the info of the fly wheel, I can’t say I quite absolutely understood or bothered to really dwell on till just a while after I posted, it occured to me after a while that it was just what you said, same with the clutch.

As for everything else, yeah, I do know what a mean. I guess anyway.

That’s all I can figure, till later.
 
I will do my best to describe how I drive in GT3. I would describe my driving technique as 'fast in, fast out, but slow in the middle'. I usually brake early but not very heavily, I'm not a late braker or a hard braker but I carry a lot of entry speed into corners. I turn in pretty early and then just focus on getting the power down as early and efficiently as possible.

If a car understeers I usually turn in early but gradually, and increase steering lock as I go through the corner, to make sure I don't get any sudden bouts of understeer which can make you run wide. This usually means I take a very tight exit. If a car is oversteering I really make an effort to go slow in the mid-corner, and go all out for a clean exit. So basically if I have understeer I go for entry speed, if I have oversteer I go more for exit speed. I really don't care if a car oversteers when I get the power down, I can cope with that easily.

I like a car to drift very slightly. I don't strictly go for grip or drift. I'm a fence sitter in that regard, as I like a small amount of slide in a car. The Oreca Viper in S-License test 6 is more or less the balance I like.

I hardly ever left foot brake. I don't know if this has a name, but I use the brakes a lot to help turn the car at the apex of slow-medium speed corners. Also, sometimes on the exit of a corner like turn 4 at Laguna Seca, I dab the brakes while I have the pedal to the metal, to facilitate a smoother exit. I don't do anything interesting on entry to corners.

Left foot braking is a lot more tempting with a wheel and pedals. If I use a wheel, then I left foot brake all the time. But in GT3 I use a control pad, so I don't really left foot brake.
 
Swift
Ok, I can see that you're really trying to understand. But why on God's green earth would you associate a technique to a single car in Initial D?

you can use it in FF and AWD. It doesn't really make to much sense to do in FR.

Left foot braking is all about shifting weight to the front to improve traction. That's why it was developed. I actually believe it was developed in FR cars but it works better in FF.

o0o ok lol not associatin it with IDjust watch alot of videos. but, if its done in a 4WD car wouldn't that lessen the traction on the rear tires and let the rear end slide out ? ((dependsingo n the set-up??)) :confused: :dunce: and R_Riders the LFB on a RWD car would make it a grip type style of racing then wouldn't it?
 
Ryen49
this guy needs to use the freakin edit button and not post stuff and call other's wrong.

"left foot is used for grip tech. on the EG6 ain't it?"

Long drifter do you just watch ID and take stuff on thier seriouslly? what an idiot man you actually thikn theres one techqiue that only works on a certain car..too much id for you , idiot man.
LFB works on all car's. Did all the stuff you post come from ID? if so just leave this forum now.

dude i made this forum you moron, if you gonan call anyone a idiot you should think twice cause obvously you ain't see who made this thread, and no everything i psot ain't for initial D and i don't take it seriously only thing i take seriously from ID is the styles that they use, being that i have JDM drift videos and other drift videos as well, and seeing the techs. used on the video's i still question ((reason for this thread)) only way to llearn is to get a answer and to get an answer a person needs to ask questions...therefore i am, oh yea, 💡 by the way... if you know so much then tell me something... somethin know one else brought up as of yet, also if you have aprob with me, PM me don't try and make yourself look all smart and junk... cuz i bet if you name any any import...nissan honda..toyota...i can tell you more specs bout that car than you even thought or knew... :dopey: and yes that is a challange....
 
Long-Drifter
o0o ok, wait, if its done in a 4WD car wouldn't that lessen the traction on the rear tires and let the rear end slide out ? ((dependsingo n the set-up??)) :confused: :dunce:
Yes, that depends on how the car is setup. This might likely happen if the brake settings in the rear are very strong, probably around 20-24, acting like pulling the emergency brake.
Long-Drifter
dude i made this forum u moron, if you gonan call anyone a idiot you should think twice cause obvously you ain't see who made this thread, and know everything i psot ain't for initai D and i don't take it seriously only thing i take seriously from ID is the styles that they use, being that i have JDM drift videos and other drift videos as well, and seeing the techs. used on the video's i still question ((reason for this thread)) only way to llearn is to get a answer and to get an answer a person needs to ask questions...therefore i am, oh yea, by the way... if you know so much then tell me something... somethin know one else brought up as of yet
Wow, that is one long sentence.

We are not here to offend other people, okay? We are here to help each other, not bash each other to the ground. Stop bashing around other members and just take the hit. Mature people do not fight, and it seems like I am looking at a kindergarten fight right now.

If you want to show how macho you are over the internet, it is not going to work. It is not like you are going to scare the other person away. It is just words on a monitor, so how scary is that?

I am sick and tired of new members bringing this kind of macho and know-all-that-so-I-am-not-going-to-listen-and-bash-other-people attitude to the Drifting Forum. This is what makes us look bad and gives bad impressions to other people.

Now, I suggest you to fix your attitude because if you do not, then people will not take you serious anymore and they just might ignore you.

There's my 0.02

Oh, here is a tip: Listen to others and make constructive comments, 'kay?
 
*sits down and prays* (please don't be another ([you all know who!]...) Long-Drifter, If you surf around all the other forums, we aren't exactly the most liked bunch. So, could you please not hinder our plans to get on the good side of everybody else? It would really mean alot...
 
lol don't get on me, get on ryder... he the one starten it, i was gonna end it with the "long" sentence :) which probally did... ummm, if the car was to use the e-brake on a stiff rear end, the e-brake causes the rear end to get loose any way doesn't it ??? so wouldn't it go into a drift almost ?? ((i gotta put this into action on the game to get a feel of whats being said)) :guilty: my parents ain't neva gonna take me for my stinkin permit
 
Long-Drifter
lol don't get on me, get on ryder... he the one starten it, i was gonna end it with the "long" sentence :) which probally did... ummm, if the car was to use the e-brake on a stiff rear end, the e-brake causes the rear end to get loose any way doesn't it ??? so wouldn't it go into a drift almost ?? ((i gotta put this into action on the game to get a feel of whats being said)) :guilty: my parents ain't neva gonna take me for my stinkin permit

???...Nani??... okay... I'm going to assume you mean could the e-brake be used for drifting? Well...to be blunt, yes and no.

I'll start with the no, no becuase even though it involves weight transfer like other tecchniques, to look at it one way, it's like a cheap way to lock up your rear tires and to shift weight to the front off the rear tires, I haven't experimented much with the E-brake (besides how a bad experience in GT-1 had made me want to stick to just using the pedal brake (or simply square or how you would look at it...I would use the steering wheel also...)...) to find any real use, I have however seen others use it, to use it to Initiate a drift I can't really see it to initiate a four wheel drift seen in something like D1 or a Best Motoring video...and Initial D...more like to try and pull a car out of an understeer, it can and could be used with FF and 4WD cars due to their natural tendency to understeer during acceleration (FF is the only excuse for why I can figure an E-brake can be used...I can udnerstand how other 4WD's just will not oversteer unless you really force them at a high speed steep angle...and WRC drives may use it in tight turns...), I can't see much reason to use it with a rear drive car unless it somehow understeers due to it's settings or something else.

EDIT: forgot to point out the part I would say Yes and why...
For the yes case well...
As far as I know about using the E-Brake, it would be probally best used after initial braking going into a turn and just when you're starting to turn in but most likley only for a breif momument and you just do the rest of what you would do to drift such as countersteering and proper throttle and/or brake imput.

I don't use the E-brake much if ever, FF cars the only ones I can find it of any use, I wount lie to say I have seen (on videos and first hand) some remote benefits of using it during drifting, it can be used for example to extned drifts and other things (thus I would be tempted sometimes to try it...but I refrain at all costs...). I really can't say since I don't use it much. I just simply shift the weight with steering and the brake and/or accelerator, but it depends on the turn and car in question.

Otherwise, unless you are using an FF or a car with a hella tendency to understeer, don't use the E-brake in my opnion. I'll need to take a look at how you would setup a car, I have a feeling the way I setup my cars for drifting or racing in general is different from others...then again I'll have to go to the drift settings deopt if I ever get the time and concentration (you would ask what is distracting me? Well, go to my website and well...that's a good idea...one example anyway...) to look there.

Besides that, I can't figure what else to say, to be honest, I thought I had a hard time sometimes of putting words in a proper sequence (the problem I guess is not quite knowing what you're talking about 100% of the time, it took me a few good years to try and have anywhere of the voculbary I have now, and I still make a million miss-spellings of words...) but...well...I can't understand completely what you're saying Long Drifter...besides what I can figure that you're saying if you use the E-brake with a car with a stiff rear, I'm guessing suspension settings being the reason, (when using the E-brake) could that pull a car into a drift? Is that what you're asking?

I guess that's about it...untill later...
 
R_Riders
???...Nani??... okay... I'm going to assume you mean could the e-brake be used for drifting? Well...to be blunt, yes and no.

I'll start with the no, no becuase even though it involves weight transfer like other tecchniques, to look at it one way, it's like a cheap way to lock up your rear tires and to shift weight to the front off the rear tires, I haven't experimented much with the E-brake (besides how a bad experience in GT-1 had made me want to stick to just using the pedal brake (or simply square or how you would look at it...I would use the steering wheel also...)...) to find any real use, I have however seen others use it, to use it to Initiate a drift I can't really see it to initiate a four wheel drift seen in something like D1 or a Best Motoring video...and Initial D...more like to try and pull a car out of an understeer, it can and could be used with FF and 4WD cars due to their natural tendency to understeer during acceleration (FF is the only excuse for why I can figure an E-brake can be used...I can udnerstand how other 4WD's just will not oversteer unless you really force them at a high speed steep angle...and WRC drives may use it in tight turns...), I can't see much reason to use it with a rear drive car unless it somehow understeers due to it's settings or something else.

EDIT: forgot to point out the part I would say Yes and why...
For the yes case well...
As far as I know about using the E-Brake, it would be probally best used after initial braking going into a turn and just when you're starting to turn in but most likley only for a breif momument and you just do the rest of what you would do to drift such as countersteering and proper throttle and/or brake imput.

I don't use the E-brake much if ever, FF cars the only ones I can find it of any use, I wount lie to say I have seen (on videos and first hand) some remote benefits of using it during drifting, it can be used for example to extned drifts and other things (thus I would be tempted sometimes to try it...but I refrain at all costs...). I really can't say since I don't use it much. I just simply shift the weight with steering and the brake and/or accelerator, but it depends on the turn and car in question.

Otherwise, unless you are using an FF or a car with a hella tendency to understeer, don't use the E-brake in my opnion. I'll need to take a look at how you would setup a car, I have a feeling the way I setup my cars for drifting or racing in general is different from others...then again I'll have to go to the drift settings deopt if I ever get the time and concentration (you would ask what is distracting me? Well, go to my website and well...that's a good idea...one example anyway...) to look there.

Besides that, I can't figure what else to say, to be honest, I thought I had a hard time sometimes of putting words in a proper sequence (the problem I guess is not quite knowing what you're talking about 100% of the time, it took me a few good years to try and have anywhere of the voculbary I have now, and I still make a million miss-spellings of words...) but...well...I can't understand completely what you're saying Long Drifter...besides what I can figure that you're saying if you use the E-brake with a car with a stiff rear, I'm guessing suspension settings being the reason, (when using the E-brake) could that pull a car into a drift? Is that what you're asking?

I guess that's about it...untill later...

wow, very well put and straight to the point, thanks :) u,, personally iuse the E-Brake if i can't get a good enough angle in my drift, i'll pull it ((hit O button)) and get the angle i want, but sumtimes i get to much of an angle to i oversteer way to much and can barely keep the traction of my rear wheels where i want them, im gussing its more about the control and timing of how when and where to use the E-brake correct ? :dopey:
 
Long-Drifter
lol don't get on me, get on ryder... he the one starten it, i was gonna end it with the "long" sentence :) which probally did... ummm, if the car was to use the e-brake on a stiff rear end, the e-brake causes the rear end to get loose any way doesn't it ??? so wouldn't it go into a drift almost ?? ((i gotta put this into action on the game to get a feel of whats being said)) :guilty: my parents ain't neva gonna take me for my stinkin permit

See, that's everyone's point LD. You keep saying all this stuff that you believe is "drift law" like heel toeing in GT3 but then don't understand the effects of using the ebrake to drift. Then when someone contradicts you, you get all upset.

Look, we know more then you. I'm not putting you down. It's just the truth. I personally don't know all that much about drifting. But I can tell anyone how to get started on the road to good drifting technique. I'll leave the finer points to the veterans of the forum.

So just relax and listen. If you would have listened after the first few posts of this thread and then thought about and applied the techniques/concepts to your drifting, this wouldn't be a three page thread trying to convince you about drifting techniques.

Just chill and listen. Silence is the first step to wisdom.
 
Swift
See, that's everyone's point LD. You keep saying all this stuff that you believe is "drift law" like heel toeing in GT3 but then don't understand the effects of using the ebrake to drift. Then when someone contradicts you, you get all upset.

Look, we know more then you. I'm not putting you down. It's just the truth. I personally don't know all that much about drifting. But I can tell anyone how to get started on the road to good drifting technique. I'll leave the finer points to the veterans of the forum.

So just relax and listen. If you would have listened after the first few posts of this thread and then thought about and applied the techniques/concepts to your drifting, this wouldn't be a three page thread trying to convince you about drifting techniques.

Just chill and listen. Silence is the first step to wisdom.

i am convinced and there are things i know and seen... you say ya'll know more...you'd think i know that by now...hence i am asking questions...and no im not getting mad over someone correcting me, im getting mad at a person that trys to make himself feel better by trying to put me down on sumthing i really was confused about...and im gettin pissed on because i asked a simple question directed to him...

oh and i did try some of the suggests in this thread... umm one question with the LFB, would the front brakes be more tighter than the rear ? or the otherway around?
 
Long-Drifter
i am convinced and there are things i know and seen... you say ya'll know more...you'd think i know that by now...hence i am asking questions...and no im not getting mad over someone correcting me, im getting mad at a person that trys to make himself feel better by trying to put me down on sumthing i really was confused about...and im gettin pissed on because i asked a simple question directed to him...

oh and i did try some of the suggests in this thread... umm one question with the LFB, would the front brakes be more tighter than the rear ? or the otherway around?
this people is a example of when a drifter watches too much initial d
 
nightkids4ever
this people is a example of when a drifter watches too much initial d

sad to say...i watched all fo stage 1 once stage 2 once stage 3 once battle stage....bout 5 times lol extra stage twice ((stupid downloads)) and 4th stage i have never seen yet and i do own all of the american versions.

don't assume things about me... you could just ask... beign that i don't watch alot of initial d...i barely watch it at all, i have DVD's of real drifting...
 
Long-Drifter
sad to say...i watched all fo stage 1 once stage 2 once stage 3 once battle stage....bout 5 times lol extra stage twice ((stupid downloads)) and 4th stage i have never seen yet and i do own all of the american versions.

don't assume things about me... you could just ask...
i like to guess
 
nightkids4ever
i like to guess
Assuming is not good.

Assume = @$$ + U + me

Long-Drifter, it's all good as long as you are open-minded. I just do not want members to bash each other and such. It looks like you have the right attitude now, so keep up the good work ;)

Oh, and your question about Left Foot Braking: I guess it depends on your usage. For racing, it would need to be stronger beause the front wheels direct the car and transfer the power to move the car, so The front brakes need to be stronger in order for the car to slow down and induce oversteer to make the car easier to go thorugh a corner. For drifting, I think the rear needs to be stronger because there needs to be more oversteer, so it is like pulling the emergency brake and slowing down the car at the same time.
 
Thio
Assuming is not good.

Assume = @$$ + U + me

Long-Drifter, it's all good as long as you are open-minded. I just do not want members to bash each other and such. It looks like you have the right attitude now, so keep up the good work ;)

Oh, and your question about Left Foot Braking: I guess it depends on your usage. For racing, it would need to be stronger beause the front wheels direct the car and transfer the power to move the car, so The front brakes need to be stronger in order for the car to slow down and induce oversteer to make the car easier to go thorugh a corner. For drifting, I think the rear needs to be stronger because there needs to be more oversteer, so it is like pulling the emergency brake and slowing down the car at the same time.

o0o ok, thanks cause my friend has a grand prix and is FF lol and were tryin to get him to try it but he's not that sure if its done as in the arcades ((we drift))
 
Long-Drifter
o0o ok, thanks cause my friend has a grand prix and is FF lol and were tryin to get him to try it but he's not that sure if its done as in the arcades ((we drift))
you gonna try something in a real car that you learned from a arcade game?
OMG. Just so you know LFB scares the crap out of alot of drivers who end up never trying it again. But you are just being an idiot. Something you learned from the arcade. OMG. 👎
 
Long-Drifter
o0o ok, thanks cause my friend has a grand prix and is FF lol and were tryin to get him to try it but he's not that sure if its done as in the arcades ((we drift))

I have to go with Ryen on this one. Don't try to just jump into something you see in the games. LFB is VERY difficult! I I know it doesn't seem that way. But it is. Your left foot isn't used to that type of motion going down. Only coming up(releasing the clutch) So as Ryen said, it will really scare most people.

Just be careful not to try to emulate arcades IRL. It can be very dangerous. :scared:
 
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