Driving Aids whats the point?

[xXSilencerXx]

I was playing my old GT1 game today when I realized that the original Gt had zero driving aids and I'm pretty sure GT2 is the same way. So what was the point of putting drivig aids on GT3 and GT4 when so many people hate them.

 

[sumbodycool]

Race a car like the Nissan R89C or Formula 1 with, then without driving aids. There's definitely a noticeable difference. Traction and steering is controlled in the car so the car sticks to the track and avoids oversteer/understeer, depending on how you set up your driving aids.

By the way, not everyone prefers zero driving aids

 

[xXSilencerXx]

I'm not saying I don't enjoy them but i was thinking if you can beat GT1 and GT2 you probably could beat GT3 and GT4 without aids on for the most part with a few exceptions ( Supercars like the ones u listed ).

 

[mipuumal]

I play GT4 without driving aids, recently I won the 1000 km Fuji endurance with a stock Black Mazda 787B 15 laps up to the 2nd place R92CP.

I'm currently running the F1 Championship with a F1 car without aids, and my driving is ~3-5 seconds faster per lap on normal tracks compared to my B-Spec and my tires also last longer.

 

[~Sp33~]

with traction control on, your able to launch harder and more consistantly, which is better especially when your comparing cars over the 400 m, where consistancy is essencial. This is the main reason i use trac control, and the stability management is only used in edurance races when i know that the tires wear down and start to become unstable, this way i dont have to rely on muh driving skill to get me through the race

Gran turismo 2 had traction control as an option that cost a hell of a lot, but i didnt realy notice the difference on most cars.

 

[Aurra Sing]

The aids help beginning/learning drivers learn to drive the basics of the car rather than worry about careful throttle application and what not... when you gain experience everyone should give no aids a try, for the 100% driving feeling.

 

[Pauleo]

Perhaps they should consider it for GT5.

IMHO I think if the real car has traction control/ASM as standard then put it on the car in the game.
Other than those have it as option in the tuning so you can purchase it if you like once the power starts to need the aids.

 

[Zer0]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1703758&postcount=22

 

[McLaren]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1703758&postcount=22

Nicely put. 👍

Their in because NOT everyone is an expert at driving cars. If you don't put aids on the F1 cars and LeMans cars, then people who want the feel of driving one since most will never drive in their life, will have their dreams hurt even more.

 

[alech]

Sometimes driving aids haven't got any reason to be used , as certain cars do not have any electronic component at all: think of the old Golf I or Fiat Panda but also high powered cars of the 60s and 70s.
After all some cars can't equip some components (standard exhaust for example) , and some others should turn off the driving aids window.
And if the driving aids can be setted , the electronic injection should be too, doing more than just changing the ROM .

 

[mrplo]

with traction control on, your able to launch harder and more consistantly, which is better especially when your comparing cars over the 400 m, where consistancy is essencial. This is the main reason i use trac control, and the stability management is only used in edurance races when i know that the tires wear down and start to become unstable, this way i dont have to rely on muh driving skill to get me through the race

Gran turismo 2 had traction control as an option that cost a hell of a lot, but i didnt realy notice the difference on most cars.

I also use traction control. And I use Steering control. I don't see the harm. If every car has 10/10 steering control, then every car can be considered stock when it comes to handling. But only has a little bit of helping.

 

[~Sp33~]

I find that the understeer control does nothing but slow the car down unnecessarily throughout a corner... I stear clear of it for that reason... Corners such as the last on Tsukuba is virtually impossible to undertake, with the understeer control being a nuesance, at a half descent pace.

 

[ferrari_chris]

I've only found two cars where I've needed the traction control, and both were in GT3 - the DTM Mercedes, and the Pagani Zonda Race Car. I'm yet to find a car in GT4 that I can't tame with an accurate and precise thumb.

Here's something to think about though - In the interests of pure realism, why don't they set the traction control, and stability control for cars that have it in real life. This would mean that only cars in the last 5 - 7 years would have it, and if it can't be turned off in the real car, then it can't be turned off in the game. If it can be adjusted in RL, then it can be adjusted in the game etc.
Also ABS is something that could be looked at...

 

[Famine]

I'm currently running the F1 Championship with a F1 car without aids, and my driving is ~3-5 seconds faster per lap on normal tracks compared to my B-Spec and my tires also last longer.

When you get to the 'Ring, or even Infineon Raceway, try driving your F1 with a 200kg weight penalty and no driving aids.

 

[Small_Fryz]

I use TCS when i really have to, but i never ever use ASM. Totally wrecks the whole feel imo.

 

[Alfaholic]

If you feel that for realism, you should have driver aids functioning on cars that really do have them, like all the modern Mercs, then you need to have traction control activated on the Formula Gran Turismo car, as modern formula 1 cars use traction control and have done for some time. I don't like the ASM, as I feel it slows me down when I would really rather be accelerating, but traction control on the 1100bhp racing cars definitely compensates for a lack of finesse in my right foot.

 

[Sturdy]

It seems to me that GT4's physics at low speeds (pulling away mainly) are somewhat off. For example, an Aston Martin Vantage on N2's (realistic tyres apparently) simply cannot pull away quickly (if at all) without spining its wheels into oblivion. Unfortunately, i've never driven one of these monsters, but i would be surprised if the car was so completely wild even in second gear. Imagine the accidents, drop into second, pull out to overtake, oh, god, its spinning, annnd we've crashed.
For this reason, i don't mind putting TCS on 1 on stupidly high powered cars just to contain that initial wheelspin, but ASM is the tool of satan. It completely ruins the driving in my opinion.

 

[katana87]

formula ones nowadays do have TCS so i dont see anything wrong with putting it on in GT4 only obout 1-4, Le Mans well i just put the TCS on,
as for other cars i dont you just have to learn to control your throttle. ASM i've never thought about putting it on it just slows me down

 

[Mastasidaz]

I drive every car without aids except for the protoype C cars, because with every car im faster without traction control except for them.

 

[Swift]

Why are there driving aids in GT3/GT4. Because there are driving aids on real cars. Granted not every car like it is in GT4 but a lot of the expensive ones have ASM and TCS. So, that's why they are in there.

I personally wish is was more specific to each car. But that's just a pet peeve.

 

[Epinionator89]

What's wrong with driving aids? I particularly enjoy ASM when tuned correctly. It doesn't have to be on 20 or 0 only. Tune it on Gymkhana and it works really well on the tracks. TCS applies here as well.

 

[ZAGGIN]

driving aids are for old ladies and casual gamers!

imo think that they should be purchased like any other part, and not given as standard with every car. if my memory serves me correct, you had to purchase them on GT2, why is it any different with GT4? anyway in RL, not every car has driving aids fitted as standard.

come on, its getting silly when those two 1bhp 1800's models have ASM and TCS fitted as standard! what possible benefit could they have with those two vehicles? they both struggle to get up to walking pace, never mind a speed where TCS or ASM would be beneficial. computers were not even thought of back when they were created, so how on earth, do they manage to have a fully working and fully functional ASM and TCS system? the use of driving aids in gt4 has not been well thought out.

imo driving aids should only be present if they actually are, and then at a cost and not otherwise.

 

[Sephiroth976]

I wouldn't mind an option in the setting for driving aids like there is in arcade mode for the GT mode. so you can choose all on, all off, or just tcs. I like the tcs as it helps curb wheel spin, the asm i can live without, as i find I'm putting my foot down, and the car is actually going slower...It just bugs me that I have to change the settings on all the cars I drive when I take them out for the first time.

 

[Zardoz]

driving aids are for old ladies...

Well, okay, but I sure would like to see a video of you taking a Stage 4-powered GT-One around Hong Kong or Cote d'Azure with the TCS at zero.

Yours Truly -

Aunt Rose

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Thats not as hard as it sounds.

 

[Eric.]

Why are there driving aids in GT3/GT4. Because there are driving aids on real cars. Granted not every car like it is in GT4 but a lot of the expensive ones have ASM and TCS. So, that's why they are in there.

I personally wish is was more specific to each car. But that's just a pet peeve.

Even my 1999 Grand Am GT has a "Enhanced Traction System".

 

[chinko]

i tried a A4 touring car without traction control and asm, and it took me a while to get used to the rear end throwing out and the wheelspin

i'll finish the game then look into driving more professionally meself

 

[slotcarrod]

You can turn them off or on. If you like them, use them. If you hate them, do not use them. Whats the problem? In some cases I find them handy as a tuning aid, at other times I hate them. I am glad that they are there for us to use when we want to!

 

[Emohawk]

If they're going to continue doing it like they are, I think there should be a global driving aid on/off switch in the options. People who don't need/like them could still turn them on on a per-car basis, and casual gamers could just continue on oblivious.
What would be really nice though, is if the driving aids only came on cars that were so equipped in real life, and had to be purchased otherwise.

 

[foshoazn]

I think driving aids are meant to help, not to hurt. To help mostly novice players. I would think most novice players would choose to use them initially to create a feel for the game. I doubt the ones that hate driving aids are novice players.

I hate driving aids myself .