Driving etiquette: "dive bombing" corners.

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Following the GTP OLR, the passing car had no overlap on the lead car by the turn in point so the pass was not GTP OLR legal. Not sure what the FIA would say about it:sly:
Depending on the scenario, the GTP OLR isn't perfect either. What if the leading car brakes early? Does the following car have to swerve off the track, or can they pass? How early counts to justify making the move? Etc.

Lol what do you call that then? nvm, just conveniently ignore everything and go for the immature, yet poor, attempt at a comeback. Good job 👍
You just said you don't want to talk about it, and accused me of trolling because you didn't like what I said.
No, no response for you. Go watch fixed races. 👍

hsv
The current crop of teenage sportscar drivers are much less into divebombs than a lot of the seasoned guys. Age has no bearing on this.
I'm glad you're so educated on the age of every driver you play against.:rolleyes:

"Like a teenaged imbicile", doesn't mean an actual teenager. hence the word, "like".

Now if you want to push it, I guess we can discuss if children act more childish than non-children, wanna try?
 
"Like a teenaged imbicile", doesn't mean an actual teenager. hence the word, "like".

Now if you want to push it, I guess we can discuss if children act more childish than non-children, wanna try?
You clearly aren't up for sensible discussion, so I'll leave it here.
 
Depending on the scenario, the GTP OLR isn't perfect either. What if the leading car brakes early? Does the following car have to swerve off the track, or can they pass? How early counts to justify making the move? Etc.

I think you misread what he was saying, you have to be alongside before the turn in point, not before the braking zone, and no matter how early you brake, the turn in point will always be the same. :)
 
hsv
You clearly aren't up for sensible discussion, so I'll leave it here.
"Driving like a teenaged imbecile" is a phrase coined for decades bro.
It doesn't come from the sensible decisions teenagers make behind the wheel, in reality, or virtual.

I think you misread what he was saying, you have to be alongside before the turn in point, not before the braking zone, and no matter how early you brake, the turn in point will always be the same. :)
True and correct, what if they're moving so slowly they're an obstacle?
I only mention it as having had issues with it before. We had a guy who (I personally) thought braked so early he lost all track rights, where other people thought he should still have right of way, etc.

Seems that way.
Says the guy not involved in the thread, ****ling around the forums... ;)
You know the definition right? What you're doing, that is it!
Funny we always got along, until that fateful day I disagreed with you. :lol: Do you remember it? Or am I just on your list, and you can't remember why?
 
The amount of stupidity in this thread is so high.

If I am nowhere near the driver, not even alongside, unless he messes up, he has rights on the corner.

This kind of attitude
i dont see a problem with dive bombing. it shows the drivers willing to push and risk his race. that to me is a true hard racer. if you know what i mean.

Is exactly what ruins races. We don't need any FIA documentation or listings or regulations to know what is acceptable and is not. And saying it is ok if you don't make contact is like saying "I was trying to run that person over, but I missed so it isn't a big deal".

Some people here, get your noses out a book, look ahead of you on track and think what you are doing. I guarantee if you were racing for real in your own car which you if you get damaged you have to pay for or lose some of your wages or perhaps your job or drive for you wouldn't have such cavalier attitudes.
 
The amount of stupidity in this thread is so high.

If I am nowhere near the driver, not even alongside, unless he messes up, he has rights on the corner.

This kind of attitude


Is exactly what ruins races. We don't need any FIA documentation or listings or regulations to know what is acceptable and is not. And saying it is ok if you don't make contact is like saying "I was trying to run that person over, but I missed so it isn't a big deal".

Some people here, get your noses out a book, look ahead of you on track and think what you are doing. I guarantee if you were racing for real in your own car which you if you get damaged you have to pay for or lose some of your wages or perhaps your job or drive for you wouldn't have such cavalier attitudes.

if you use your common sense then it can work. see a gap go for it. if you hit someone, least then you know not to be silly and try it again in that way. just find a way to do it safely and it can be done.
 
Says the guy not involved in the thread, ****ling around the forums... ;)
Considering your contributions to this thread, it's a real stretch on your part to say you're involved in any useful capacity.

Funny we always got along, until that fateful day I disagreed with you. :lol: Do you remember it? Or am I just on your list, and you can't remember why?
I don't have a "list." I disagree with people who are wrong, especially when they are wrong but decide acting haughty with their head up their ass is the correct way to respond to criticism. If you frequently fall under that category, that's your problem.



You know the definition right? What you're doing, that is it!
Let's take this from the top:
Interesting that you quote a single racing organization and use them to define the rules of all racing.
No, he didn't do that. Strawman. If you were following the thread from the beginning, he described a specific racing incident in an FIA sanctioned race that he considered fair, was questioned on why he thought it was acceptable, then explained why under FIA rules the incident unfolded the way it did.

That was instead you latching onto a single poorly worded sentence:
It isn't dirty driving it's called racing, which is why it's allowed in ALL forms of real motorsport.
And dictating that every single post following that was an attempt to defend that sentence, even when he explained it.


Next:
So are you saying that every racing series in the world follow "FIA rules", or just trying to give that impression?
No, he wasn't saying that. Strawman. You specifically asked him if the rules would be done differently for open wheel cars or closed wheel cars. He simply responded that those rules apply for all of the FIA's sanctioned series, open or closed wheel; and then provided a specific non-FIA series that followed those same rules anyway. In essence, you attempted to call him out for answering a question you wanted him to answer.


And yes, most racing series do follow FIA racing regulations or attempt to emulate them in some capacity, so you just look foolish regardless for trying to drag him over the coals for the statement.


Then:
If I'm not mistaken, FIA holds some of the most ***-up racing in the world, races where people intentionally let other people win, and if they don't, they can get fired. (teammates)
Pardon me, I couldn't care less what that ridiculous organization does.
You made it clear that you didn't actually care about anything what he was saying regarding rules the FIA has for racing etiquette (you know, the thing this tread was about), and were apparently just setting him up so you can vent about your irrelevant views about the inner politics of the FIA.


By the way:
I like real racing.



Finally:
I'm sorry this didn't go the (waaaa) way you wanted (sniff sniff) I'll leave you win now.
When it was made clear that the person you were arguing with didn't care about your opinions of the politicking that goes on in the FIA, since that was never what he was talking about, you tried to pass it off as if he was throwing a tantrum for being proven wrong. The problem, of course, is that you have to actually prove him wrong first for that accusation to stick; rather than repeatedly trying to accuse him of sentiments he wasn't saying before simply dismissing everything he said out of hand for irrelevant reasoning.







So, to wrap up, either you are just trolling this thread, or you are incapable of arguing a point that isn't slam dunk in your favor without resorting to logical fallacies and are now just trying to salvage something with all these too cool for school "witty" retorts so people don't realize that. And since you felt the need to bring up post history between us to try to further move the focus from what you've actually said in this thread (but were at least clever enough to leave out specifics), yes, I am pretty sure that it is the latter.
Anything else?
 
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if you use your common sense then it can work. see a gap go for it. if you hit someone, least then you know not to be silly and try it again in that way. just find a way to do it safely and it can be done.

Common sense is don't go for a divebomb. Give me a reason why it is acceptable to just throw your car in somewhere.
 
Considering your contributions to this thread, it's a real stretch on your part to say you're involved in any useful capacity.


I don't have a "list." I disagree with people who are wrong, especially when they are wrong but decide acting haughty with their head up their ass is the correct way to respond to criticism. If you frequently fall under that category, that's your problem.




Let's take this from the top:

No, he didn't do that. Strawman. If you were following the thread from the beginning, he described a specific racing incident in an FIA sanctioned race that he considered fair, was questioned on why he thought it was acceptable, then explained why under FIA rules the incident unfolded the way it did.

That was instead you latching onto a single poorly worded sentence:

And dictating that every single post following that was an attempt to defend that sentence, even when he explained it.


Next:

No, he wasn't saying that. Strawman. You specifically asked him if the rules would be done differently for open wheel cars or closed wheel cars. He simply that those rules apply for all of FIA sanctioned series, open or closed wheel; and then provided a specific non-FIA series that followed those same rules anyway. In essence, you attempted to call him out for answering a question you wanted him to answer.


And yes, most racing series do follow FIA racing regulations or attempt to emulate them in some capacity, so you just look foolish regardless for trying to drag him over the coals for the statement.


Then:

You made it clear that you didn't actually care about anything what he was saying regarding rules the FIA has for racing etiquette (you know, the thing this tread was about), and were apparently just setting him up so you can vent about your irrelevant views about the inner politics of the FIA.


By the way:




Finally:

When it was made clear that the person you were arguing with didn't care about your opinions of the politicking that goes on in the FIA, since that was never what he was talking about, you tried to pass it off as if he was throwing a tantrum for being proven wrong. The problem, of course, is that you have to actually prove him wrong first for that accusation to stick; rather than repeatedly trying to accuse him of sentiments he wasn't saying before simply dismissing everything he said out of hand for irrelevant reasoning.







So, to wrap up, either you are just trolling this thread, or you are incapable of arguing a point in it without resorting to logical fallacies and are now just trying to salvage something with all these too cool for school "witty" retorts so people don't realize that. And since you felt the need to bring up post history between us (but were at least clever enough to leave out specifics), yes, I am pretty sure that it is the latter.
Anything else?
I think it's pretty clear by this point, quite a few people don't agree with the FIA definitions, at least not at all times, I guess the degree of which I disagree has made me a target, it's only acceptable to disagree to a certain extent, I apologize for how my opinion has inconvenienced your royal highness whom watches over my every post, only getting involved when he feels he has me pinned, and then says he isn't trolling.

Have fun watching me more. :)
 
I think it's pretty clear by this point, quite a few people don't agree with the FIA definitions, at least not at all times, I guess the degree of which I disagree has made me a target,
Nope. The fact that you're incapable of debating the thing being discussed because of your personal bias but were still pretending that you knew what you were talking about made you a target. You were never actually talking about the FIA sporting regulations, so the fact that others disagree with the letter of the law is irrelevant when it comes to responding to your posts.



Keep flattering yourself, though.

it's only acceptable to disagree to a certain extent, I apologize for how my opinion has inconvenienced your royal highness whom watches over my every post
Don't let it happen again.





if you use your common sense then it can work. see a gap go for it. if you hit someone, least then you know not to be silly and try it again in that way. just find a way to do it safely and it can be done.
If you hit someone and have to learn not to do that maneuver again in the future it doesn't sound like common sense was considered in the first place.
 
No because if you go for a gap every time in real racing you will end up wrecking very quickly.
One of the big differences between real racing and video games is risk taking, and people love taking risks they never would in real life when they play video games. It causes the same action to be more dangerous in the video games in this case, because people will try the move 100 times more often in GT than they would in actual cars.
 
No because if you go for a gap every time in real racing you will end up wrecking very quickly.

But GT6 isn't real life is it. I'm a respectful clean racer on GT6 but I'm hard racer at the same time. if you are not willing to take a chance on a gap then your never going to get any were.
 
One of the big differences between real racing and video games is risk taking, and people love taking risks they never would in real life when they play video games. It causes the same action to be more dangerous in the video games in this case, because people will try the move 100 times more often in GT than they would in actual cars.

Yes but you don't need a divebomb and to punt someone potentially to do so. Also you risk messing your race up more.
 
But GT6 isn't real life is it. I'm a respectful clean racer on GT6 but I'm hard racer at the same time. if you are not willing to take a chance on a gap then your never going to get any were.
If you need to dive bomb to pass, you aren't going fast enough to keep the spot. ;)


Nope. The fact that you're incapable of debating the thing being discussed because of your personal bias but were still pretending that you knew what you were talking about made you a target. You were never actually talking about the FIA sporting regulations, so the fact that others disagree with the letter of the law is irrelevant when it comes to responding to your posts.



Keep flattering yourself, though.


Don't let it happen again.
I understand you would like to fight.
Hi, you're not talking about the topic either, in fact, you're blatantly detracting from it. Attacking people in the thread for not being on topic, or not agreeing with you is not the same as being on-topic, strawman.


If you hit someone and have to learn not to do that maneuver again in the future it doesn't sound like common sense was considered in the first place.
Common sense doesn't exist. ;)
 
If you need to dive bomb to pass, you aren't going fast enough to keep the spot. ;)

What a silly comment. if the opportunity presents itself then you're going take it. people being soft and petty if you ask me.
 
Yes but you don't need a divebomb and to punt someone potentially to do so. Also you risk messing your race up more.
I am well aware, others, not so much. As was just mentioned, people have been quoting a racing driver that died in a racing crash from going too fast, as a legitimate reason for take huge risks in racing.
That's the opposite of the way it should be, but the human brain see, the human brain want, the human brain find way to justify and take.

What a silly comment. if the opportunity presents itself then you're going take it. people being soft and petty if you ask me.
So to be clear, you're talking about ramming into a car to get past? You think that's "opportunity"?
 
What a silly comment. if the opportunity presents itself then you're going take it. people being soft and petty if you ask me.

What a silly comment. A divebomb is going for a gap that doesn't exist, an opportunity that doesn't exist.

As was just mentioned, people have been quoting a racing driver that died in a racing crash from going too fast

Mechanical failure.
 
What a silly comment. A divebomb is going for a gap that doesn't exist, an opportunity that doesn't exist.



Mechanical failure.
My mistake. He did have a bad crash or two from just going too fast though, didn't he?
Most racing drivers do, as opposed to Gran Turismo players, we all have 10,000+ crashes that would have taken our lives. It's hard to weed that out for online racing, believe me, I've tried.
 
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What a silly comment. if the opportunity presents itself then you're going take it. people being soft and petty if you ask me.
But you're not talking about opportunity. What you described here:
if you use your common sense then it can work. see a gap go for it. if you hit someone, least then you know not to be silly and try it again in that way. just find a way to do it safely and it can be done.
Is throwing your car into any situation where you could overtake; and if it doesn't pan out then you know not to try it again.
 
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