Ecstasy and other Club Drugs

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by troy1
Go Ahead and try them. I've tried things and I find it easy to just stop when I want.

So says the man who clearly has ABSOLUTLEY NO IDEA about his own physiology, or of the nature of addiction, or positive and negative reinforcement.

I spent some time studying this while doing my Bachelors in Psychology, and I have to say that it was extremely interesting. The effects that certain drugs have on the human physiology is quite remarkable. And because the brain and body have such a good idea of what's inside them, they learn. Hence when you take a drug that is nice, your body learns that it is nice, and wants more. If you do not give it more, you feel bad, which negatively reinforces the act of not-taking the drug. This reduces your baseline (i.e. no drug) well-being, and makes you continually want more of the drug.

When you take the drug, you give the body the hit it was wanting, and make it feel good. This is positively reinforcing the act of taking the drug. Therefore you have a double-reinforcement of the drug taking, in removing the negative reinforcement, and adding the positive reinforcement. You move your well-being to the 'drugged' state, which is higher than your 'undrugged, pre-sample' state, and much higher than your 'undrugged, post-sample' state. This effect is known by a single word, and that word is 'addiction'.

Other effects, such as desensitisation come into play too, particularly with drugs like cocaine and alcohol. Basically, this means that if you repeatedly take the same dose, your body becomes accustomed to it, and the high (the positive reinforcement of the 'drugged' state), is lessened. However, your body remembers the enjoyment of the first move to 'drugged', and thus is disappointed that the current 'drugged' state is not matching its previous experience of 'drugged'. This motivates the person to take a larger dose, in order to re-attain that initial high. Obviously this means that larger and larger quantities are taken.

If you've read, and understood all this, then good on you. I don't want to lecture, but you're advised to have a think about this, and what you're actually doing to yourself. You should, of course, add my previous post about the chemical dangers, to your new impression of drugs.

 

[Joey D]

I have never tried marijuna either. Its seems like the thing to do but I just was never thrilled by it.

I heard something about testing kits to see what the hell your drugs are. Are these real or just some myth?

 

[Klostrophobic]

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie


So says the man who clearly has ABSOLUTLEY NO IDEA about his own physiology, or of the nature of addiction, or positive and negative reinforcement.

I spent some time studying this while doing my Bachelors in Psychology, and I have to say that it was extremely interesting. The effects that certain drugs have on the human physiology is quite remarkable. And because the brain and body have such a good idea of what's inside them, they learn. Hence when you take a drug that is nice, your body learns that it is nice, and wants more. If you do not give it more, you feel bad, which negatively reinforces the act of not-taking the drug. This reduces your baseline (i.e. no drug) well-being, and makes you continually want more of the drug.

When you take the drug, you give the body the hit it was wanting, and make it feel good. This is positively reinforcing the act of taking the drug. Therefore you have a double-reinforcement of the drug taking, in removing the negative reinforcement, and adding the positive reinforcement. You move your well-being to the 'drugged' state, which is higher than your 'undrugged, pre-sample' state, and much higher than your 'undrugged, post-sample' state. This effect is known by a single word, and that word is 'addiction'.

Other effects, such as desensitisation come into play too, particularly with drugs like cocaine and alcohol. Basically, this means that if you repeatedly take the same dose, your body becomes accustomed to it, and the high (the positive reinforcement of the 'drugged' state), is lessened. However, your body remembers the enjoyment of the first move to 'drugged', and thus is disappointed that the current 'drugged' state is not matching its previous experience of 'drugged'. This motivates the person to take a larger dose, in order to re-attain that initial high. Obviously this means that larger and larger quantities are taken.

If you've read, and understood all this, then good on you. I don't want to lecture, but you're advised to have a think about this, and what you're actually doing to yourself. You should, of course, add my previous post about the chemical dangers, to your new impression of drugs.

So, you wanna go get high?

 

[viperguy]

I haven't been confronted with this decision on wheter to take drugs yet, but when I do, I'm obviusly not gonna do it.

 

[BHunter911]

Originally posted by PunkRock


no one's perfect, who here has never actually tried marijuana at least once?

I have never tried marijuana. Don't plan to either. And I'm not real "proud" of myself, I just know if I do that stuff, sooner or later I'm going to regret it.

 

[Rice Rocketeer]

Originally posted by streetracer780
Alright Pako told me to make a thread on a discussion of club drugs so here it is. This is for educational purposes only.

I'm sorry, but my post has nothing to do with this thread.

Why the hell does streetracer780 have an "Anti-Honda" avatar with a title that knocks the Japanese auto maker? Wasn't it him that got his car jacked? hmm, i don't know..

But i smell hypocricy!

 

[Zero]

Wasnt his car a honda too? :reallyodd

 

[sn00pie]

Originally posted by Klostrophobic


So, you wanna go get high?

LOL!!

Off the record, sho'.

 

[duo17]

In the famous words of Towelie: "Hey you guys, wanna get high?" and "Kids its bad to do drugs..."

If you don't know who I'm talking about, you're not cool.

 

[Joey D]

Originally posted by Rice Rocketeer


I'm sorry, but my post has nothing to do with this thread.

Why the hell does streetracer780 have an "Anti-Honda" avatar with a title that knocks the Japanese auto maker? Wasn't it him that got his car jacked? hmm, i don't know..

But i smell hypocricy!

Yes I had a Honda but since I got the Mitsu I really saw how bad they sucked. And I can knock any Japanese auto maker I want to. Would you guys be making a fuss if I was knocking KIA? Probalay not. And no my Honda was just boke into and stuff got stolen outta it. No one wanted to steal it.


Now back on topic of Club Drugs....

 

[Robin2]

uhhh...children...drugs are bad mmmk. dont do drugs.

 

[Joey D]

Theres got be worse things out there then drugs

 

[Robin2]

yeah, streetracers.

 

[Joey D]

I could have saw that coming

 

[Robin2]

just messin round mate.

 

[Joey D]

Ya I know. Funny never the less

 

[Robin2]

Originally posted by streetracer780
Theres got be worse things out there then drugs

there are but drugs are more readily available to any age than anything else is.

 

[Joey D]

True.

Alright I have to get ready to go raving. It should be fun as hell, I hope

 

[Rice Rocketeer]

Originally posted by streetracer780


Yes I had a Honda but since I got the Mitsu I really saw how bad they sucked. And I can knock any Japanese auto maker I want to. Would you guys be making a fuss if I was knocking KIA? Probalay not. And no my Honda was just boke into and stuff got stolen outta it. No one wanted to steal it.


Now back on topic of Club Drugs....

First of all don't diss Kia.

Secondly, i'll smoke (no pun intended...) your Mitsubishi anyday. You bring that piece o' crap around the UCLA campus and I'll make sure you ego takes a giant plunge.

Thirdly, HAHAHA! People jacked stuff outta your car! What did you have that was so worth taking? Oh no wait...those air fresheners from Pep Boys are pretty cool...

 

[Robin2]

dont be an arse - hondas do suck.

would you like it if he laughed at you because your car got "jacked"?

 

[Snoopy > Doug.]

Yeah, don't be a honda. Arses suck nevertheless.

 

[Talentless]

Originally posted by BHunter911





I have never tried marijuana. Don't plan to either. And I'm not real "proud" of myself, I just know if I do that stuff, sooner or later I'm going to regret it.

I am most pleased with myself.

 

[Zero]

RR - Kia is Korean

 

[Klostrophobic]

Originally posted by Rice Rocketeer


First of all don't diss Kia.

Secondly, i'll smoke (no pun intended...) your Mitsubishi anyday. You bring that piece o' crap around the UCLA campus and I'll make sure you ego takes a giant plunge.

Thirdly, HAHAHA! People jacked stuff outta your car! What did you have that was so worth taking? Oh no wait...those air fresheners from Pep Boys are pretty cool...

Dude, you own an Accord. They suck, therefore you suck

 

[Robin2]

Originally posted by Klostrophobic


Dude, you own an Accord. They suck, therefore you suck

 

[Race Idiot]

Gah!
weeed but nothing else, oh alchohol is good.

Although weed makes you paronoid a bit

Also Hondas are better than Holdens

 

[Robin2]

**** you race idiot - you drive a ford, you know nothing about quality cars!

 

[Race Idiot]

Originally posted by   
**** you race idiot - you drive a ford, you know nothing about quality cars!

Heh I knew I could get a rise outta ya!

Aussie Fords/American Fords = Crappo machines!
European Fords = Badarsemobiles!

can you guess where the Focus WRC car is built?
Not in the US or AUS

Still holdens suck because I cant have one

Oh yeah drugs, err drugs dey is bad for you u, or I do stuff in hed for think/things like that.

 

[Der Alta]

So in this thread I have seen one post out of 58 that was useful in this conversation. [edit] sorry, upon review, there are 2 or 3 others that merit a worthy note.

I've seen threads go off topic before, but this is a fair bit ridiculuous.

On the topic of Drugs, Ecstasy is 2010's evil drug. Much like in 1980, cocaine was seen as a recreation drug, and then by 1990 the side effects became clear. By 2010, the side effects will become quite clear on ecstasy and the knowledge of how harmful this "club drug" is will be well published. On a bleak side note, Bath House raves are now making an ecstasy/viagra combination drug. How's that for a bad mixture?

I'm very interested in Giles writings on addiction. Does this mean that any alteration of my mood via external medication denotes me for addiction? Or is there a physical change in the body that shows when addiction starts. I've seen alcoholism up close and personal, and it is not pretty. Yet, I've had my share of binge drinking and wild parties and alcohol has never taken a grip on my life. At what point does the force of the human will figure into play?

Why is it that high school friends that I partied and drank with, are now staggering drunks at 10am, while I am not?

Now on the topic of Drugs, I'm never gone beyond the natural home grown stuff available in backwoods Vermont, and that was only a few times. The effect was quite a learning experience. One beer feels like 3 and you're silly long before you realize it.

I know of people that need to fire up the bong just to get out of bed. This would register on Giles' chart as "addicited". And I'll note that I am in agreement with him on it. Yet I've seen Friday night smokers that work jobs in the $100K-$150K a year bracket and you'd never suspect as a smoker. Why can one person use it to unwind after a stressful week, and another need it seconds after their alarm clock?

In the event that marijuana gets legalized, how does this get controlled? and what effects will this have on my morning commute? The Boston commute is a tough one, and I want to make sure that any operator in any car that I come with in 10 miles of has their wits about them.

If you decide to use drugs, please use them in a controlled environment where you have people looking out for you. A Rave is not the place for experimentation. I'm educated enough to understand that not all of the cattle will make it through the drive. Some have to wander off and fall over the edge of the cliff. Best I can do is offer a bit of info to give people the ability to make their own decisions.

Which ultimately makes this a better world. One where everybody has enough knowledge to make their own decision, for their own reasons.

AO

 

[Pako]

Der Alta,

I find this a very good, and pointed post. Addiction, primarily, is the inability to cope with the environment, be it physically or mentally. I too had my share of heavy achohol and drug use growing up, but today I will just have the occasional drink at a gig. I just have too many responsibilities now to live that kind of life. I've been blessed with the ability to be able to cope with my environment or atleast have found other ways to cope with it other than drugs. I too have many friends now that I associated with back in the day that are sloppering drunks or are in and out of rehab more times than I can count. Some people can go through life without having the need to experiment, and that's great, kudo's for them :thumbsup:, but so many of us just have to know because either we're curious or are pressured into it. If you find yourself in a situation where you have decided to indulge, definately consider your environment first as Der Alta has pointed out.

I'm not condoning underage drinking, but here's a little example of my sophmore year in high school:
Every weekend I would go with my friend to his parents lake place out of town. We would wait until everyone was asleep to begin our drinking. We would indulge until sun came up. Now, we thought we were really smart, 'getting away' with it only later to find out from my friends mom that she new the whole time. She decided not to make a point of it, because she knew we were going to do that regardless of what she said. She would rather have us drink where she knew where we would be, then to have us stay in town, driving to where we would could drink to get drunk in a environment that would force us into unsafe situations.

They've decided that alchoholism is largely genetic. It would be fair to say that addiction is also genetic. If you know that your family has a history of addiction, I would strongly suggest to stay away from drugs. This would also include some over-the-counter medications as well. Look for herbal substitutes that are non-addictive.

On the topic of legalizing marijuana, the government would never allow it to be legalized because of the lack of control that would have. Sure they could tax it on the sell of it, but it's too easy and too accessable to grow in the confines of a persons personal property. It is just a weed, and weeds have evolved to be very harty and easy to grow. With these properties, anyone could supply themselves with their own inventory, bypassing all governmental efforts for controlling it.

In all fairness and honesty...I would much rather have a person high on marijuana driving down the road at 12mph's than someone drunk driving 112mph.

E-Viagra? Wow, that could get messy.

~Peace~