Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

[Caz]

Glad you are happy now plato!
Hawk, the.reason that works on pc is because you are altering the the wheels software interacts with the signal being sent to it, ps,xbox,pc doesnt matter.

 

[thehawk05]

Yes it is the interface for PC, and yes it makes a great difference for GT5. Hopefully it will do the same for FM4.

Try it and let me know what you think:tup:

I'll let you try FM4 and get back on it. Like I said I don't notice an issue with GT5. I want to try this possible fix but I'm lazy right now.....I have to pull my wheel off the rig and all that other stuff and drag my gear upstairs to my PC to make changes as I don't have a laptop to do it.

Glad you are happy now plato!
Hawk, the.reason that works on pc is because you are altering the the wheels software interacts with the signal being sent to it, ps,xbox,pc doesnt matter.

Hmmmm......my understanding was that the software only altered the signals themselves coming from the PC....I didn't think they made a difference in terms of how the actual hardware of the wheel interacts with whatever device it's connected to.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Not a game I feel like putting on but may quickly try it and post my findings here. FM4 has other issues that i'm not happy with (leaderboards ruined). Then there's the terrible 900 deg issue on top of that which makes the wheel experience terrible imo.

I am new to Fanatec but doing this has certainly helped me a lot. The return to center is now a lot stronger which I find helps cancel out the deadzone in the wheel center. There were some cars on GT5 that were hard to drive online without spinning out because of the online physics difference. After doing this even the cars I was struggling with felt more natural and I was not loosing control anymore.

To me it sounds like you guys think i'm crazy, is this the case?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Not a game I feel like putting on but may quickly try it and post my findings here. FM4 has other issues that i'm not happy with (leaderboards ruined). Then there's the terrible 900 deg issue on top of that which makes the wheel experience terrible imo.

I am new to Fanatec but doing this has certainly helped me a lot. The return to center is now a lot stronger which I find helps cancel out the deadzone in the wheel center. There were some cars on GT5 that were hard to drive online without spinning out because of the online physics difference. After doing this even the cars I was struggling with felt more natural and I was not loosing control anymore.

To me it sounds like you guys think i'm crazy, is this the case?

Is more of Team Skills coming to GT5 then? What wheel did you used to have before Fanatec?

 

[GTP_Plato]

Is more of Team Skills coming to GT5 then? What wheel did you used to have before Fanatec?

A couple of the other team members come on GT when there bored of everything else it seems, most of them are either playing FM4, MW3 or iracing. There are 3 for sure that spend there time on iracing.

I used to use the DFGT, I have only been a wheel user for just over a year and imo the wheel experience is better on GT.

The so called team is dead now anyway 👍

 

[Saidur_Ali]

A couple of the other team members come on GT when there bored of everything else it seems, most of them are either playing FM4, MW3 or iracing. There are 3 for sure that spend there time on iracing.

I used to use the DFGT, I have only been a wheel user for just over a year and imo the wheel experience is better on GT.

The so called team is dead now anyway 👍

I've also been a wheel user for just over a year with a DFGT and thinking of upgrading to one of these Fanatecs or a G27 if there is a good offer.

I thought that might be the case.

 

[GTP_Plato]

I've also been a wheel user for just over a year with a DFGT and thinking of upgrading to one of these or a G27 if there is a good offer.

I thought that might be the case.

Well worth investing in a better wheel in my opinion, it's the pedals that make all the difference though:tup:

I was actually one of the average team members, still good enough to be in division 1 silver though so I can't be that bad A few of the other team members would of easily been in D1 gold alien territory though

Sorry to be off topic guys:tup:

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Well worth investing in a better wheel in my opinion, it's the pedals that make all the difference though:tup:

I was actually one of the average team members, still good enough to be in division 1 silver though so I can't be that bad A few of the other team members would of easily been in D1 gold alien territory though

Sorry to be off topic guys:tup:

The pedals is one thing I want to test in games like F1 2011 and also PC sims. I find the DFGT pedals in GT5 I can match or come close to the top peoples sector times. I want to see irrespective of driver, is a higher precision pedal gain you extra speed with similar inputs due to game registering more values. Don't think no one has tested that out yet, so Thomas if you are reading this I am willing to try out if there are any differences in performance in certain games if you send me some pedals to test .

 

[thehawk05]

To me it sounds like you guys think i'm crazy, is this the case?

You are not crazy my friend.

I pulled my wheel off my rig as the curiosity was killing me, downloaded the driver interface from Fanatec and poked around after connecting my wheel. Discovered the Auto Spring setting and turned it on, hit apply and promptly ran back downstairs with wheel in hand to try it on F4. In a word it's night and day different.

The FFB is stronger
The 10-13 degree dead zone at center is gone

From day one I've enjoyed F4 but always felt the FFB felt light using my CSR. Not anymore. GT5 is still stronger for sure but this tweak made F4 much more enjoyable. I actually feel like I'll have to turn down the FF from 100 whereas before I wished I could turn it up. I haven't tried it on GT5 yet but my guess is I'll be turning down FF on that for sure too...I already had it down to 70.

Full props to you GTP.......this tweak should be made a sticky.

*Edit: 12/02/2011

I've done more extensive thorough testing of this tweak since the quicky test noted above and have updated my initial impressions in the post linked below:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6275439#post6275439

 

[Caz]

Not crazy at all plato, at least no more than the rest of us

 

[LogiForce]

Not crazy at all plato, at least no more than the rest of us

We aren't crazy here Caz, the rest of the world just is. We are completely sane.

 

[GTP_Plato]

You are not crazy my friend.

I pulled my wheel off my rig as the curiosity was killing me, downloaded the driver interface from and poked around after connecting my wheel. Discovered the Auto Spring setting and turned it on, hit apply and promptly ran back downstairs with wheel in hand to try it on F4. In a word it's night and day different.

The FFB is stronger
The 10-13 degree dead zone at center is gone

From day one I've enjoyed F4 but always felt the FFB felt light using my CSR. Not anymore. GT5 is still stronger for sure but this tweak made F4 much more enjoyable. I actually feel like I'll have to turn down the FF from 100 whereas before I wished I could turn it up. I haven't tried it on GT5 yet but my guess is I'll be turning down FF on that for sure too...I already had it down to 70.

Full props to you .......this tweak should be made a sticky.

Thanks, means a lot that someone has listened and tried it for themselves, glad it also helped you:tup:

A sticky I would settle for just being knighted

I had to adjust all my settings for this as well, hopefully more people will do this as it helps other Fanatec wheels

What does this mean for wheel reviewers who thought this issue was normal on FM4? Will they be reviewing again with this tweak?

Not to sound like i'm having a go as i'm not, but there were a lot of people saying the wheel felt normal on FM4 and that there were no issues. Looks like there was after all.

 

[thehawk05]

I need to test with other games to see if it impacts them negatively but I have to say from my brief test on F4 I like the change for sure.

 

[Mr Latte]

What does the manual state regards the spring function?
You'd expect this to be mentioned.

Await Thomas making some comments on this for clarification.

 

[GTP_Plato]

I need to test with other games to see if it impacts them negatively but I have to say from my brief test on F4 I like the change for sure.

Well, it seems to have made FM4 and GT5 a better experience so hopefully it's the same in all cases:tup:

The wheel has more feel and response than before, so I would be interested to see reviewers try this and maybe update there review:tup:

@ Latte, try this there is a big difference, maybe ilonioum should try this to. He was the one that told me he thought everything was fine (this is not to sound offensive by any means)

 

[Spagetti69]

Plato have you tried the 908 on Le Sarthe in Forza 4.

When going down the straight sloppiness is terrible. From around 11 o'clock posistion to 1 o'clock.

This is with Sens set to off.

Now pull over onto the side of the track and call up telemetry.

Move the wheel at a slow steady pace between 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock.
Notice that the linearity alters between 11 and one o'clock.
This is software related not wheel.
I can't see how any centre spring would alter software.

Hope I've explained myself OK.
Try that.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Plato have you tried the 908 on Le Sarthe in Forza 4.

When going down the straight sloppiness is terrible. From around 11 o'clock posistion to 1 o'clock.

This is with Sens set to off.

Now pull over onto the side of the track and call up telemetry.

Move the wheel at a slow steady pace between 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock.
Notice that the linearity alters between 11 and one o'clock.
This is software related not wheel.
I can't see how any centre spring would alter software.

Hope I've explained myself OK.
Try that.

I am now not the only one saying that applying the center spring option makes a lot of difference, did you see hawks post?

Edit: It is hawk that has just tried this on FM4 and likes it a lot by the sounds of it. I don't play FM4 at the moment (reasons explained a few posts above). Read what hawk said, very interesting. I did say it would probably help on FM4 using this tweak, and at the moment it seems this is the case:tup:

 

[thehawk05]

What does the manual state regards the spring function?
You'd expect this to be mentioned.

.

Nothing at all. I went through the 911 Turbo manual, CSR manual and the GT3 RS manual and there's nothing in terms of how to use the settings in the driver GUI and how they affect the wheel.

I'd like to hear from Thomas as well. I tried to PM him earlier to get his thoughts but his box is jammed full.

As I said I like what it does for FM4 but I need to test how it affects other games. This setting from my impressions basically creates the effect of automatically adding spring effect to return the wheel to center. That might be great for games that don't enact a lot of return spring in their output but could negatively affect games that do. That's why it seems to help on Forza 4....a game that doesn't enact much spring effect when going down straights which gives the wheel a sort of dead feel at center.

I don't feel this tweak does anything to alter accuracy with steering inputs......I just think this helps the feel on certain games.

In any case Turn 10 still has issues to fix with the steering on this game.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I am now not the only one saying that applying the center spring option makes a lot of difference, did you see hawks post?

May give you a better feel but FM4 changes your driving input to be sharper. I noticed this on a pad on the FM4 demo, it is similar to GT5 on a pad when you go on grass and try and correct it. It is something like speed sensitive steering, they might have included to make it feel more real as without it, it will be very hard to lose control of a car in that game. There is a patch coming out to fix it I hear. I would have thought Turn 10 would have implemented wheel support better with the partnership with Fanatec with the CSR wheels but hopefully they get there.

 

[Spagetti69]

I am now not the only one saying that applying the center spring option makes a lot of difference, did you see hawks post?

Yes I did. Just asking if your fix sorted the Peugeot 908 that's all.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Nothing at all. I went through the 911 Turbo manual, CSR manual and the GT3 RS manual and there's nothing in terms of how to use the settings in the driver GUI and how they affect the wheel.

I'd like to hear from Thomas as well. I tried to PM him earlier to get his thoughts but his box is jammed full.

As I said I like what it does for FM4 but I need to test how it affects other games. This setting from my impressions basically creates the effect of automatically adding spring effect to return the wheel to center. That might be great for games that don't enact a lot of return spring in their output but could negatively affect games that do. That's why it seems to help on Forza 4....a game that doesn't enact much spring effect when going down straights which gives the wheel a sort of dead feel at center.

I don't feel this tweak does anything to alter accuracy with steering inputs......I just think this helps the feel on certain games.

In any case Turn 10 still has issues to fix with the steering on this game.

In GT5 I find it does help with steering inputs, before I could use no more than 300 deg as the turn in response was way off. I was having to put way to much input in even using 300 deg. Now with this tweak I am comfortable using 540-720 deg as it seems to be a lot more responsive:tup:

Edit: Sorry Spagetti read your post in the wrong way, my apologies:tup:

I haven't tried FM4 and probably won't until it's patched. Even then I prefer the driving experience in GT

 

[Mr Latte]

Okay, question.

Would updating the firmware at any time reset or change this feature?
Additionally why could games on a console not enable it to work or via the menu settings?

I would imagine most people playing on consoles would not know of this feature then and why it is only available in the PC software, yet not mentioned in the manual. Many console players might not even of connected their wheel to a PC or seen any reason to do so.

Have to say Im one of them but eager to check this out.

Post a link to this software please.
(being lazy)

 

[Spagetti69]

No probs.

 

[thehawk05]

Okay, question.

Would updating the firmware at any time reset or change this feature?
Additionally why could games on a console not enable it to work or via the menu settings?

Post a link to this software please.
(being lazy)

It's on this page here under "Driver For PC". This page is for the CSR......the software is different for other wheels.

http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=31156&lang=en

Pick your OS

As for changing the feature anytime the firmware is updated.....I'd imagine it would since you lose all your on wheel settings when you do so.

Like I said....more testing needs to be done to see if this hurts other games. My concern would be with say GT5 which has good spring effect already IMO....I'm worried this autospring change might hurt my performance when I have to countersteer quickly.....I think the wheel might fight back more if you know what I mean. It might require changing my entire on wheel tuning setups.....like dri or spr settings.

Ill test tonight to see.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Okay, question.

Would updating the firmware at any time reset or change this feature?
Additionally why could games on a console not enable it to work or via the menu settings?

I would imagine most people playing on consoles would not know of this feature then and why it is only available in the PC software, yet not mentioned in the manual. Many console players might not even of connected their wheel to a PC or seen any reason to do so.

Have to say Im one of them but eager to check this out.

Post a link to this software please.
(being lazy)

http://www..de/html/index.php?id=31156&lang=en

Here you go Latte

Edit: beaten to it

 

[amf7]

http://911wheel.de/?q=node/7356

Sad to see Darin leaving Fanatec.....

 

[GTP_Plato]

Sorry to hear of your problem energizerrr

Ok guys,

I was playing around with the options in the driver and noticed the option for center spring, I clicked on it and applied it not thinking I would get any help from it as these options (apart from being able to check the wheel is functioning properly) are meant to be for PC only.

Later on I decided to see if I could get to the bottom of the issue I was having with GT5, to my surprise the center spring option did make a considerable difference, I could feel a lot more center resistance which was a hell of a lot better than before where the wheel felt loose and weak around the center.

I have now been able to use a higher SENS setting on the wheel (540 and 720) as turn in response feels a fair bit more responsive. As for using 900 I couldn't get to it but came to the conclusion that it is probably down to the wheel simulating the real world better than what the DFGT does and that's why maybe I am not used to having to turn the wheel as much.

Don't know if this makes any sense to you guys about the center spring, but I am positive it has helped me.

Am I just being crazy, or does this option actually help on consoles?

Please, no sarcastic comments

Edit: copied and pasted into here as I accidentally hijacked energizerrrs thread and wanted you guys to see this:tup:

Edit 2: Hopefully this information will help other people new to Fanatec products, something I have never seen mentioned in threads before

Quoting myself here, looks like I need to be well known in these part of the forums before others start listening to me

This was posted 2 weeks ago and now because someone more known has tried it and reported back his experience people are jumping on it

 

[thehawk05]

http://911wheel.de/?q=node/7356

Sad to see Darin leaving Fanatec.....

Sad in one way but happy for him in a sense as well. I was getting a little tired of people whining about "conflict of interest" when it came to Fanatec products.....hence why we saw Shaun start doing all the Fanatec reviews.

Real shame when a guy is just doing and working in an industry he loves and gets grilled for it.

 

[amf7]

Very True!..

 

[fatkrakr]

You cant honestly believe that it wasnt a conflict of intrest. He was getting a paycheck from fanatec. How is anyone to believe he wouldnt be just a bit bias. Hope he does well in all his indevours but this was a good thing for him. Either that or he was going to alienate alot of his viewers.