Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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Dont take it personal Plato.
I thought the onboard spring settings of +3 -3 should have the same effect.

Thomas should make a statement on its actual purpose.
 
Well we have a saying here in the Netherlands and it goes like this "de bakker moet niet zijn eigen brood keuren". Translates in "the baker shouldn't sample his own bread". This saying has the underlying meaning that if the baker does so most likely he will always approve and praise his own bread.
That's how a lot of folks looked towards Darin and I honestly can't disagree. I just hope the damage to the trustworthiness of ISR can be restored cause I am sure there are people who will refuse to take their opinions for granted even now.
When it comes to Darin personally I hope he made the right choice in sticking with ISR for his further career. I wish him all the best in the future.
 
Spagetti69
Dont take it personal Plato.
I thought the onboard spring settings of +3 -3 should have the same effect.

Thomas should make a statement on its actual purpose.
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I tried adjusting the spring settings when I had the issue, didn't seem to help though
 
Spagetti69
Dont take it personal Plato.
I thought the onboard spring settings of +3 -3 should have the same effect.

Thomas should make a statement on its actual purpose.
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It actutally does, I played around with spring setting and when I set it to 3 I just didn't have the same turn-in response as I was having with 0, strange...
 
You really love these Dutch adages, don't you, LogiForce? :D
Sad to see him part, but at the same time it is good for his show and ISR is an important part of every sim-racers life :). I love Shaun's work and think he was doing an incredible job in the mean time, but reviews just aren't as entertaining without the dialogue.
 
sonac
You really love these Dutch adages, don't you, LogiForce? :D
Sad to see him part, but at the same time it is good for his show and ISR is an important part of every sim-racers life :). I love Shaun's work and think he was doing an incredible job in the mean time, but reviews just aren't as entertaining without the dialogue.
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It's not that I love them, but just that my mom spammed them at me constantly since I was little. ;)

Oh and just because I'm bored... I wanna share a song with all of you I am about to drift to in my FC in GT5. Just for the heck of it. I am sorry if you hate me for it. :sly:



And here's some footage with the song:

 
fatkrakr
You cant honestly believe that it wasnt a conflict of intrest. He was getting a paycheck from fanatec. How is anyone to believe he wouldnt be just a bit bias.
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That would be fine except Shaun did all Fanatec reviews when Darin got the job......people treated it as the show itself was now biased....not just Darin.
 
I brought up the conflict if interest when they announced his involvement with fanatec. Lets hope he has implemented some procedures to get things running better before he left, and more importantly that they are followed and continually improved upon.
His leaving fanatec only helps to re legitimize isr's reviews in my opinion. Im sorry but I found the latest pedal review to be more in line with an infomercial than a review.

Plato, I paid attention to you ;)

Edit: hawk you posted that while i was typing. Even though it was 2 seperate people, the ties are to tight for a review site to have employees working for a manufacturer.
Especially when one shoe is in customer relations and one is in reviewing.
I am not, and will not downright accuse ISR of any bias at all. Especially intentional. But unintentional could very well happen.
 
Thanks for the link earlier, was busy with customers at the time.

I've looked out my "PWTS Developer Quick Guide" that came with the PWTS Beta wheel.
The Spring function is only mentioned regards PC.

Originally some features were only available on the PC Software like dift mode, wheel vibration, brake vibration.

These were added in a later firmware so I agree this "Spring On Off" in PC software needs to be confirmed/tested against the "SPR Menu Feature". A feature many likely do not often use or change I'd presume but to me it should be the same thing. However if it has the same effect is another thing.
 
Caz
I brought up the conflict if interest when they announced his involvement with . Lets hope he has implemented some procedures to get things running better before he left, and more importantly that they are followed and continually improved upon.
His leaving fanatec only helps to re legitimize isr's reviews in my opinion. Im sorry but I found the latest pedal review to be more in line with an infomercial than a review.

Plato, I paid attention to you ;)

Edit: hawk you posted that while i was typing. Even though it was 2 seperate people, the ties are to tight for a review site to have employees working for a manufacturer.
Especially when one shoe is in customer relations and one is in reviewing.
I am not, and will not downright accuse ISR of any bias at all. Especially intentional. But unintentional could very well happen.
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Yeah sorry I didn't mention that Caz, I just realized it was mostly you responding to my earlier posts in this thread :cheers:

Lets see what others think about it first though:tup:

Glad somebody was listening :sly:

@ Latte

Why when you look at many peoples wheel set ups do they use negative spring? I am right in saying that positive spring is meant to be a stronger/quicker return to center, is this right?

If this is the case then I don't get why most posted settings are all using negative spring as surely this will make the feel worse.
 
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Mr Latte
These were added in a later firmware so I agree this "Spring On Off" in PC software needs to be confirmed/tested against the "SPR Menu Feature". A feature many likely do not often use or change I'd presume but to me it should be the same thing. However if it has the same effect is another thing.
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I've used the SPR function on the wheel and it doesn't have the same affect this Auto Spring does. If SPR changes anything the results are subtle in comparison
 
thehawk05
I've used the SPR function on the wheel and it doesn't have the same affect this Auto Spring does. If SPR changes anything the results are subtle in comparison
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I had the same thing adjusting spring wheel settings, even when you first turn the wheel on and try to turn it left to right you can feel there is a lot more resistance when using the auto spring option.
 
So what we are saying is a new firmware should allwo an on/off for this within the menus.
Really we need someone with two wheels the same and do a proper test/comarison.

Will certainly give it a go with the PWTS but going to wait for the new firmware coming for the CSRE soon.
I have a feeling this was (ON) for the CSRE Beta I have been testing.
 
Mr Latte
So what we are saying is a new firmware should allwo an on/off for this within the menus.
Really we need someone with two wheels the same and do a proper test/comarison.

Will certainly give it a go with the PWTS but going to wait for the new firmware coming for the CSRE soon.
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Pretty much yeah, it would be a very useful feature for those without access to a PC:tup:
 
Right well from what I remember the DPR/SPR functions were only for console mode. Different games may use different settings and F1 2011 is a fine example that required -3to get the feeling right. It may be that these adjustments just do not offer enough range to match the (On/Off) effect.

Are you sure their is no combination with say DPR & SPR both = 3 that feels similar to what the (Spring On/Off) is doing? Worth maybe trying that to see.

Not doubting you here at all but trying to discover if any settings on the wheel make it respond to the same effect or similar.
 
Mr Latte
Are you sure their is no combination with say DPR & SPR both = 3 that feels similar to what the (Spring On/Off) is doing? Worth maybe trying that to see.
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I've had DPR & SPR at max and it's not the same at all.

It's easy to find out if the wheel has auto spring turned on. Plug the wheel into a USB port ( even Xbox will work) and turn the wheel on. Put it into PC mode and try turning the wheel. If you feel lots of resistance and the wheel snaps to center when you let go its turned on.

*Edit: Uploaded video to YouTube that shows wheel behavior described above

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFnu65fkWeY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
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fatkrakr
You cant honestly believe that it wasnt a conflict of intrest. He was getting a paycheck from fanatec. How is anyone to believe he wouldnt be just a bit bias. Hope he does well in all his indevours but this was a good thing for him. Either that or he was going to alienate alot of his viewers.
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I get a paycheck every 2 weeks from the US Dept of Defense but I am not biased towards "selling" joining the Air Force (or any military branch) at all. I know it's not exactly the same, but I'm just trying to show that people can work for a company without showing bias towards that company. We will never know if Darin showed any bias in his product reviews and assuming that he did is something we can't do with any confidence.
 
Alright,

I just did a good 1.5 hrs of testing this Auto Center Spring tweak on my CSR and did a whack of laps on Forza 4 and GT5. I'll start by recanting some of my original observations posted a couple pages ago.

First off the increase in FFB is not as dramatic as I originally thought and that's my fault. When I tested this tweak quickly this afternoon I did so before doing a test run before changing the ACS (auto center spring) and for that I apologize.....it's a cardinal sin to do so in hindsight. It had been a few days since I drove F4 so I assumed I would remember how it felt with little doubt and I was wrong. What I did tonight was revert the wheel back to having ACS turned off and then ran a good 15 laps on a track with a car I know very well and made observations. I then paused the game, powered down the wheel and then proceeded to use the interface on the PC and turn ACS on, power up the wheel and carry on in the game from where I left off piling up another 15 laps.

Comparing ACS on vs off

With F4 the increase in overall FFB was only slight really. On many parts of the track I drove on there was no difference in FFB strength. There were sections of the track that did seem to exert more at given times but the difference wasn't dramatic. It did seem to make the wheel feel a little tighter at center so that change was good. What I didn't like though was that the wheel fights you a bit when quick reflex inputs are required to catch a rearend slide. You could alleviate that by adding DRI in the wheel menu settings but it comes at the price of decreasing the overall FFB strength. I also found that having ACS on dulled or nullified some of the twitch FFB effects.....stuff like grazing the curbing, small bumps, etc. all things that were easily felt with ACS turned off just weren't the same or were gone altogether with it turned on. I also found it effected the feel of under steer as well. F4 does a nice job with FFB as one can feel the grip go away and come back as a car understeers and the wheel goes light on FFB to reflect that to the driver. Again.....it was still there with ACS turned on but the effect was dulled.

In short I prefer ACS off and I'm going to leave it off. My lap times reflected as much as I was faster without it.
 
Hi everyone. First time poster here. I had to move my brake pedal to the right and needed to unplug both wires from the box. Stupid me, I forgot to label which port the load cell plugs into and which port the other brake wire goes into. Can someone please check it out for me? I've googled and cannot find an answer or diagram anywhere. Attached is a pic.

Does it go in Position #1 or Position #2?

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I believe the rumble motor is socket 2.

Are you missing ports? Looks like 2 sockets missing where the pedals plug in.
 
Here you go. I already posted it into your topic on f-wheel forums, but thought it might more people, if I post it here.
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paskowitz
I was only 95th or 105th or something in that range... but that was just .5 seconds behind the top 8. Its crazy. I knew I could never make it and I had college to deal with, so I focused on that.
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If what you're looking for is that half a second, then a higher end wheel can be a detriment rather than helping your cause.

A bigger and stronger motor would increase FFB which will improve immersion but it also means that it requires more effort to drive. Yes, you can turn the FFB level down but doing so negates the need for a wheel of such calibre as the T500RS or either of the dual motored Fanatecs.

Personally, I would love to see that somewhere down the line there's a standard FFB measurement. Better still, one FFB level and those wanting less weight can opt for power steering (which will, of course, provide less feedback).
 

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