Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out
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Speaking about CSL Elite Pedals I see big sales if You make an adapter which will allow these pedals to be used with the Thrustmaster T300/T150,I had to do my own pedals because I do not like neither one of their pedals.
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Point taken. Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't realize the deck stacking on my first viewing.
And that pretty much explains everything concerning ISR's review. The rolled up news paper across the snout helped. Thanks Fanatec.
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I'd like see a complete tear down and rebuild of the CSL wheel base, but I think there may be someone who doesn't want that to happen. I do wonder if Barry Roland would give the wheel a look. He seems more geared to the high end of Sim Racing. If he does review the wheel, it would be interesting to see what he has to say about it.
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- Lamalozo
There is a CSW V2 review where he states that it gives a kind of direct drive low input lag feeling (without being on the same category of course). But yes, he is more engaged in high end wheels and pedals reviews. I did like a lot his comparison between Accuforce, SimSteering wheel and Open Software Wheel.
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It's a nicely written review on the hardware side, however you end up having to rely on 2 sentences if you are after direct comparisons of the FFB to justify the wheel base cost (over something like the mentioned T300). I find that a shame, since the reviewer could have gone into more detail.
He effectively states:
- Fanatec kit is beautifully built and lovely (it certainly is, as is my own older Fanatec kit)
- Clubsport pedals made him faster
- Forza rim and Xbox hub feels and looks great, but concerns that it's too heavy and mutes subtle center forces
- Considerably more power than a T300 (which we know: ~4 versus 7 Nm roughly)
Am I so wrong in wanting such reviews to go into detail about things like latency, turning resistance (not one word in the review on drift mode?), SAT responsiveness, comparative ease of drifting across sims, etc...?
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- thepatriots
I completely agree. In fairness though PCPer aren't exactly experts in this field (although they do in depth PC part reviews). Also, part of this is on Fanatec to give reviewers a checklist of things they should render a verdict/opinion on.
We need a more quantifiable way of comparing these wheels, instead of relying on "it feels good/bad".Maybe if Fanatec does a direct drive wheel they could integrate sensors to measure wheel telemetry.
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- thepatriots
Just wanted to say, broke out my CSWv2 and CSPv2 after about 6 months of not being used and 1 month near 32f/0c and both worked just fine on first boot. The grease on the main drive seems to have congealed, but I assume it will just spread out again after use.
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How stiff is the yellow sponge looking material? And can it be swapped out if desired?
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The yellow material is PU foam. It is half the length of the standard PU foams and it is optional. You can use the red and/or green elastomer springs only. The PU will add an area with less resistance to the pedal as you have with most sport cars where you have some travel before the brake gets stiff.
So does this negate the 'need' for "ClubSport Pedals V3 Damper Kit" ?
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So new state-of-the-art PS4 wheel potentially before GT SPORT releases by Fanatec. Will be interesting battle between Thrustmaster and Fanatec, I assume Fanatec will be more pricey though. 2017 looks like it will be awesome year overall for sim racing on PC and PS4.
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Shawn Cole's take on the Fanatec CSL line of products...
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- thepatriots
Great to hear that "probably" pedals, shifters and wheel rims will be PS4 wheel base compatible. If I can just buy the base for like ~$500 then I guess I could be on board. I think the wheel rims are particularly important as they add a lot to the cost of a base.
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Exactly. If it is just as good as the CSW V2 and I can use all my other accessories then I can just sell my CSW V2 (which has good resale ATM) and upgrade.
My only concern is that Sony will mandate that the PS buttons are on the wheel rim, making old rims non functional on the new base. Maybe Fanatec could put buttons on the base, but that wouldn't be an ergonomic challenge. If it is just a PS4 version of the CSL base, then I think I will pass.
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I just tried out the V3 brake performance kit last night and wanted to pass my impressions along.
I installed the softest inserts, the install is fairly simple but fiddly enough and greasy enough that I really wouldn't want to swap out inserts anytime soon, not user friendly like a swap-able tuning part should ideally be. Also the installation instructions lack a bit of detail, for instance you need a hammer and punch to remove a big pin/dowel in step #2, it simply says "remove the thin bolt", its not a bolt though (on my model of V3's) and they should have elaborated that its really tight and you need to hammer it out.
I had assumed the kit would add a progressive feel similar to the Nixim mod and wouldn't reduce travel. But it does reduce the travel quite a bit, so much so that the progressive feel isn't worth much anymore as its only felt on such a small scale/range.
Even using the "softest" inserts feel like stepping on a brick, they're super stiff. I wish they had included a much larger range of these inserts, it skews more on the super hard end of the spectrum. A set of softer inserts could also give us some more travel it seems.
These pedal sets don't have a lot of travel to begin with, maybe 2 1/2"-3" of travel, but with the brake kit the travel seems to be cut in half or more. I'm actually unable to push hard enough to bottom out the brake mechanism, I just hit a point where the insert wont compress anymore.
The only use for this I can see is If you truly want a race car brake feel, Its my understanding that they behave like this, super stiff and very little travel. I cant stand the feel though and I wouldn't want to subject my friends to it either. With the Kit installed it did drive just fine and its perfectly usable, i just wasn't into the feel.
I may just seek out my own rubber inserts or maybe a progressive spring now that I've seen the kit.
Anyway to sum up reduced travel is unfortunate, there isn't a wide enough range of inserts (soft-hard) in my opinion, install is fiddly & doesn't encourage further tuning. My brakes are now back to "stock"
I should also add that my expectations for this kit where way out of line with what this kit bills itself as, so that's my fault, but I hope this will help some people.
I installed the softest inserts, the install is fairly simple but fiddly enough and greasy enough that I really wouldn't want to swap out inserts anytime soon, not user friendly like a swap-able tuning part should ideally be. Also the installation instructions lack a bit of detail, for instance you need a hammer and punch to remove a big pin/dowel in step #2, it simply says "remove the thin bolt", its not a bolt though (on my model of V3's) and they should have elaborated that its really tight and you need to hammer it out.
I had assumed the kit would add a progressive feel similar to the Nixim mod and wouldn't reduce travel. But it does reduce the travel quite a bit, so much so that the progressive feel isn't worth much anymore as its only felt on such a small scale/range.
Even using the "softest" inserts feel like stepping on a brick, they're super stiff. I wish they had included a much larger range of these inserts, it skews more on the super hard end of the spectrum. A set of softer inserts could also give us some more travel it seems.
These pedal sets don't have a lot of travel to begin with, maybe 2 1/2"-3" of travel, but with the brake kit the travel seems to be cut in half or more. I'm actually unable to push hard enough to bottom out the brake mechanism, I just hit a point where the insert wont compress anymore.
I'd venture to say yes as it makes the damper kit fairly worthless, the damper is way softer than the inserts so they would likely be doing nothing with the kit installed. although Its possible I haven't turned my damper up high enough.
The only use for this I can see is If you truly want a race car brake feel, Its my understanding that they behave like this, super stiff and very little travel. I cant stand the feel though and I wouldn't want to subject my friends to it either. With the Kit installed it did drive just fine and its perfectly usable, i just wasn't into the feel.
I may just seek out my own rubber inserts or maybe a progressive spring now that I've seen the kit.
Anyway to sum up reduced travel is unfortunate, there isn't a wide enough range of inserts (soft-hard) in my opinion, install is fiddly & doesn't encourage further tuning. My brakes are now back to "stock"
I should also add that my expectations for this kit where way out of line with what this kit bills itself as, so that's my fault, but I hope this will help some people.
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