Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme Wheel

[PirovacBoy]

So currently I'm using the Fanatec App 1.2.0.5.
I'm running FW 2.6.1.5 and 1.1.0.4.
Wheel FW 3.
I think I managed to get rid of the Wheelbase thump/clunk more or less
To my surprise it's completely gone as soon as I switch to PS4 Mode.
In PS5 Mode it's almost completely gone , but nevertheless still present, yet way less pronounced and distracting compared to my previous FW combo installed which happened to be FW 2.7.1.3 and FW 1.2.0.3 ? Actually the one that came with the AppInstaller 1.2.0.5.
And again to my surprise both Forza Horizon 5 as well as Motorfest came back alive the moment I downgraded to Driver 474 and the included FW for both the Wheelbase and the WQR.
So I was asking myself if the installing order plays a role in regards of possible issues.

And to add some more of my observations testing both PS4/PS5 Modes in GT7.
In PS5 Mode the FFB/FF implementation feels nice and smooth delivering the trusted and well optimized FFB as always, with a very detailed yet not overwhelming amount of FF Effects.
Both feel merged very parallel with none feeling like an added layer which doesn't fit into the perceived Wheel feeling

On the other Hand though , this absolutely can not be said for using the PS4 Mode .
Here it seems as if the FF implementation doesn't add to the driving experience at all.
It's way too pronounced even at low to very low values .
It just doesn't fit .
On top of that it's way too harsh and the separation between the information within the signal feels way too unseparated.
In PS5 Mode the Vibrations are buttery smooth , with a buzzing feel riding curbs, a more rattling effect as soon as the tires lock up and a nice general shaking riding the tarmac or a very instant feel for loss of traction for both understeer as well as oversteer .
In general very distinguishable .

In PS4 Mode it feels way more punchy and impactful, yet it's by far not as separated and precise .
It's comparable to the big shopping centers , displaying their newest TVs to show off how bright and colorful they are .
On first glance they might appear superior to the less shiny ones yet once at home you start to realize their flashy image comes at a Price.
Precision.
For example when I use PS5 mode , depending on which side left or right my tires hit kerbs and roll over them, my Rig shakes and rumbles on the given and corresponding side too only one side of my Rig is shaking.
Even a front to back effect is precisely distinguishable.
Understeer shatter so Front of the car, it shakes the front with more grunt than the back of my rig.
And the opposite effect kicks in when my rear locks up or i loose traction on the rear
Here somehow it is felt more pronounced in the back of my rig.
And a full slide with all four tires sliding is felt equally strong throughout my Rig.

In PS4 Mode this is completely absent.
It just shakes the whole Rig the same .

To me it feels like PS5 mode is getting or decoding a stereo signal a more precise version compared to PS4 mode only outputting a mono signal , strong and hefty yet not precise at all .

So for me my conclusion is the following.
PS5 Mode all day there is no way or benefit using PS4 Mode in GT7.
For Horizon 5 and Motorfest the PS4 mode is a must and not just a necessity.

Because to me personally I prefer precision and accuracy all day over sheer overkill and muddy ness.
Same goes for picture or audio quality.
Because in most cases less is more.

 

[=ReBeL=]

I have two quick questions. I have ordered DD Extreme + Clubsport V3 pedals.

Coming from G29 - can I expect a big jump in quality of FFB? If I'm honest I really dislike G29 FFB in GT7. It feels wrong. Dead in the centre, but when counter steering and going against the motor it feels like the motor inside is jumping over gears. Very juddery. With racing cars I have to take it down in GT7 settings to 3 max. But even that feels wrong. Can I expect better from this EUR1.5k setup or have I wasted my money?

Question 2 - I only have this simple wheel stand. Does anyone know if I can attach DD Extreme to that and also would it actually survive a 15Nm wheel?

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[super_gt]

Does anyone know if I can attach DD Extreme to that

You may need to drill holes.

and also would it actually survive a 15Nm wheel?

Probably, but only in low 8Nm torque mode.

 

[=ReBeL=]

You may need to drill holes.

Probably, but only in low 8Nm torque mode.

I'm not one to compromise easily, so I will use it in 15 and see what happens

 

[effenberg]

Question 2 - I only have this simple wheel stand. Does anyone know if I can attach DD Extreme to that and also would it actually survive a 15Nm wheel?

Definitely no.

 

[=ReBeL=]

I'm curious, as I have never used wheel this powerful - what could go wrong? Would the stand fold itself or break? Or just be unstable? What to expect?

 

[Akers]

I have two quick questions. I have ordered DD Extreme + Clubsport V3 pedals.

Coming from G29 - can I expect a big jump in quality of FFB? If I'm honest I really dislike G29 FFB in GT7. It feels wrong. Dead in the centre, but when counter steering and going against the motor it feels like the motor inside is jumping over gears. Very juddery. With racing cars I have to take it down in GT7 settings to 3 max. But even that feels wrong. Can I expect better from this EUR1.5k setup or have I wasted my money?

Question 2 - I only have this simple wheel stand. Does anyone know if I can attach DD Extreme to that and also would it actually survive a 15Nm wheel?

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I went from a G923 to Clubsport DD+, so very similar to the jump you’re making. Honestly it’s like night and day, especially now FullForce works. The Logitech is a toy in comparison.
Personally I run my FFB at 100% in the wheel settings, and between 4-6 in the in game settings, depending on the car.
As for the stand, with the amount of torque the wheel generates I expect it to be rocking!

 

[effenberg]

I'm curious, as I have never used wheel this powerful - what could go wrong? Would the stand fold itself or break? Or just be unstable? What to expect?

The wheel/base itself will flex and shakes a lot. It will be hard for you to drive cause of this, as the wheel will be always slipping out your hands. This will probably make you grip the wheel super hard which will cause injuries.

All this shake will also make you lose a lot of the FFB, as it will get lost in the vibrations and wobbling, and the wheel won't in contact with your hands.

The gear itself will shake and rumble a lot as well. It will move (making your lose contact with the pedals), it will rattle (making annoying noises, and if you live in a building with a neighbor bellow you, be ready to constant noise complaints), it will fatigue the rig (that can cause metal fatigue and breaks).

Lastly, everything together will put stress in the screws on the rig. They will become loose constantly.

 

[FMW]

I have two quick questions. I have ordered DD Extreme + Clubsport V3 pedals.

Coming from G29 - can I expect a big jump in quality of FFB? If I'm honest I really dislike G29 FFB in GT7. It feels wrong. Dead in the centre, but when counter steering and going against the motor it feels like the motor inside is jumping over gears. Very juddery. With racing cars I have to take it down in GT7 settings to 3 max. But even that feels wrong. Can I expect better from this EUR1.5k setup or have I wasted my money?

Question 2 - I only have this simple wheel stand. Does anyone know if I can attach DD Extreme to that and also would it actually survive a 15Nm wheel?

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VELPAX Steering Wheel Stand, Height Adjustable Racing Wheel Stand, Wheel Stand Compatible with Logitech G25 G27 G29 G920, GT Racing Simulator Wheel Stand, Wheel Support and Pedal not Included : Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

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There's a BIG difference between the G29 and the DD+. The G29 uses two brushless or brushed motors that provide forces to a gear system. The DD+ is direct drive, so the on center issue you are describing is next to nonexistent. If it exists in a game, it's usually a game issue.

To be honest, when using direct drive bases, especially if you intend to use all 15nm of the DD+, that wheel stand you posted is too flimsy. Sure, it will work, but you will lose all the nuances of what direct drive bases provide. My big concern for you is the weight. The DD+ is heavy, so that stand might not be ideal.

 

[bliprunner]

I'm curious, as I have never used wheel this powerful - what could go wrong? Would the stand fold itself or break? Or just be unstable? What to expect?

The extreme is no joke, for your own wellbeing get it down on something nice and solid!

The base is over 11kg, without the wheel, that’s about 4x a G29!

 

[=ReBeL=]

Thank you all! Looks like I have a problem then. I have ordered DD extreme and done my homework - I watched many reviews of the wheel. In none of them anyone mentioned that it requires a proper rig - probably because it's so obvious to people used to those powerful wheels. But for someone who used G25 and G29 only, it's something I never thought about properly. Other than - what could possibly go wrong.

No idea what to do then. After spending so much money on the wheel + pedals I wasn't expecting to spend even more money to be able to use them. It looks like I need to hunt some kind of a rig then. I wish I knew about it before hand. I'd not buy it. But it's my own fault for not thinking about this before.

When it turns up I might be forced to only see if the wheel works and then put it back in the box until I can buy some kind of a cockpit rig. Not ideal

 

[super_gt]

@=ReBeL= It should be able to withstand 8Nm of torque, which, coming from the G29, should be enough to start with.
For a relatively inexpensive and compact cockpit that can easily handle the full 15 Nm of torque, check out the CSL v1.5 cockpit with CSL seat.

 

[=ReBeL=]

@=ReBeL= It should be able to withstand 8Nm of torque, which, coming from the G29, should be enough to start with.
For a relatively inexpensive and compact cockpit that can easily handle the full 15 Nm of torque, check out the CSL v1.5 cockpit with CSL seat.

A few days back when I was looking around, as a joke at first, to see how much it would cost me to upgrade my wheel, I had a look at second hand full rigs with wheels and pedals already attached. I laughed out loud at the prices. Now I have spent nearly 2/3rd of those cheapest rigs on wheel + pedals alone and now having to fork out at least another EUR400 for a basic rig, I am well above that level. I have well and truly played myself here <facepalm> I wish I just went with my initial idea of buying DD pro (which includes pedals already) and then not have that problem now. I'm so daft.

Thank you for the CSL cockpit idea. It looks alright, but its on backorder until the 31st. I will have a look around to see if I can find something else in the meantime.

A review I watched mentions pedal plate flex on the CSL rig (THIS review), which is not ideal since I am a big guy with strong legs (after years of cycling). Also I sit in front of 65" TV and since that rig is very close to the ground the wheel would likely obscure bottom part of my TV. Still, it's the cheapest one I've seen so far.

 

[effenberg]

A few days back when I was looking around, as a joke at first, to see how much it would cost me to upgrade my wheel, I had a look at second hand full rigs with wheels and pedals already attached. I laughed out loud at the prices. Now I have spent nearly 2/3rd of those cheapest rigs on wheel + pedals alone and now having to fork out at least another EUR400 for a basic rig, I am well above that level. I have well and truly played myself here <facepalm> I wish I just went with my initial idea of buying DD pro (which includes pedals already) and then not have that problem now. I'm so daft.

Thank you for the CSL cockpit idea. It looks alright, but its on backorder until the 31st. I will have a look around to see if I can find something else in the meantime.

A review I watched mentions pedal plate flex on the CSL rig (THIS review), which is not ideal since I am a big guy with strong legs (after years of cycling). Also I sit in front of 65" TV and since that rig is very close to the ground the wheel would likely obscure bottom part of my TV. Still, it's the cheapest one I've seen so far.

The cheapest solution is to use the Extreme with low torque (3~4), and reinforcing your rig for the weight of the base itself with some extra bars like this:

But you do need to improve your rig to make full use of your Extreme. And its not just about the rig itself, as those more sturdy rigs require a proper seat, which is usually more expensive than the rig itself.

 

[alectron010]

This is sturdy enough for the dd+.

https://nextlevelracing.com/products/racing-wheel-stand-2-0/

And a good alternative rif strapped for space and/or cash... And, it can be extended later with a seat part that attaches.
Not quite as good as a profile rig, but a decent alternative...

 

[=ReBeL=]

Yes, I have seen something similar here (it even mentions DD X in the name)

https://www.gtomega.co.uk/en-eu/products/dd-x-wheel-stand?variant=48567353246010

and for nearly half the price of that Next Level one. However, I have dismissed that design since its so similar to my current stand (it just adds a couple of support legs) and a chair plate. I could probably take mine to a metal shop and ask for vertical bars to be welded on. That might be the cheapest option. I'm just not sure if that would be enough though.

Do you guys think that this kind of design would be enough for DD extreme? (yes, I know they say 'up to 21Nm' on the page, but lets be realistic here)

 

[cvjoint]

I have two quick questions. I have ordered DD Extreme + Clubsport V3 pedals.

Coming from G29 - can I expect a big jump in quality of FFB? If I'm honest I really dislike G29 FFB in GT7. It feels wrong. Dead in the centre, but when counter steering and going against the motor it feels like the motor inside is jumping over gears. Very juddery. With racing cars I have to take it down in GT7 settings to 3 max. But even that feels wrong. Can I expect better from this EUR1.5k setup or have I wasted my money?

Question 2 - I only have this simple wheel stand. Does anyone know if I can attach DD Extreme to that and also would it actually survive a 15Nm wheel?

View attachment 1499891

VELPAX Steering Wheel Stand, Height Adjustable Racing Wheel Stand, Wheel Stand Compatible with Logitech G25 G27 G29 G920, GT Racing Simulator Wheel Stand, Wheel Support and Pedal not Included : Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

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The wheel is the least of your worries. I don't know what's the fixation with the wheels in the sim world. Biggest problem I see is that the wheel stand is not connected to the chair with fixed mounts. Good pedals need some force and you'll push the chair away from the wheel. NO.1 priority is to get a wheel stand that attaches to the chair so you can use good pedals. Good pedals on a connected stand system like that is more important than going say Fanatec belt to Fanatec direct drive.

 

[bliprunner]

FWIW, we've had a Playseat Trophy for a while and I think it's really solid and very good value, you can normally pick them up for around £400 and sometimes even less. And our TV is quite low (about 60cm from the floor). I know some others in here have the Trophy as well.

 

[=ReBeL=]

The wheel is the least of your worries. I don't know what's the fixation with the wheels in the sim world. Biggest problem I see is that the wheel stand is not connected to the chair with fixed mounts. Good pedals need some force and you'll push the chair away from the wheel. NO.1 priority is to get a wheel stand that attaches to the chair so you can use good pedals. Good pedals on a connected stand system like that is more important than going say Fanatec belt to Fanatec direct drive.

This type of a stand has this sort of chair plate, where I presume you place the front chair legs into to anchor the stand. I'm a big and heavy guy, so it might acutally work if there is no flex in the top part of the stand.

I have ordered Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals. No idea if they are considered 'good pedals' but I've seen a couple of reviews (although they were quite old) and they seem to be OK.

If I'm honest, I'm considering buying something temporary at first. I used to play sims a lot, but I'm coming back after a break and just not sure for how long it will keep my interest. I'm hesitating to spend another few hundred Euro on something that might be gathering dust in a couple of months.

FWIW, we've had a Playseat Trophy for a while and I think it's really solid and very good value, you can normally pick them up for around £400 and sometimes even less. And our TV is quite low (about 60cm from the floor). I know some others in here have the Trophy as well.

Do you use it with DD Extreme or similar wheel? Is there any flex around pedals or the wheel?

 

[effenberg]

The wheel is the least of your worries. I don't know what's the fixation with the wheels in the sim world. Biggest problem I see is that the wheel stand is not connected to the chair with fixed mounts. Good pedals need some force and you'll push the chair away from the wheel. NO.1 priority is to get a wheel stand that attaches to the chair so you can use good pedals. Good pedals on a connected stand system like that is more important than going say Fanatec belt to Fanatec direct drive.

Sorry but this is incorrect and misleading.

He has a >10kg base that provides 15nM of DD Torque. This is a lot of weight and force, that has to be taken into account. What you said applies, maybe, a 2kg 2nM G29 base.

Look at this video and see how much his wheel base is jumping around his hands. He could have the pedals super hyper mega secured there, his experience is terrible and is risking a serious injure:



Same (but opposite) with pedals. It's really a priority if you are using a 100kg Loadcell. If you are using the default G29 pedals, you don't need a strong attachment to the pedals base, you can literally use a office chair.

 

[cvjoint]

This type of a stand has this sort of chair plate, where I presume you place the front chair legs into to anchor the stand. I'm a big and heavy guy, so it might acutally work if there is no flex in the top part of the stand.

I have ordered Fanatec Clubsport V3 pedals. No idea if they are considered 'good pedals' but I've seen a couple of reviews (although they were quite old) and they seem to be OK.

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If I'm honest, I'm considering buying something temporary at first. I used to play sims a lot, but I'm coming back after a break and just not sure for how long it will keep my interest. I'm hesitating to spend another few hundred Euro on something that might be gathering dust in a couple of months.

That will help a lot but will still give you the most headache compared to the wheel stand rigidity. I've had two sets of Fanatec pedals now and one is 10x more effort than Logitech and the other is 30x more effort. The pedal work undoes all my knobs on the rig and I have to tighten them every time I sit down. I also have to tighten the wheel to the wheel base every time. I can't imagine what the $1000 pedals Fanatec just released this year need in terms of a rigid rig. Wheel wise I only have 8NM and it kinda squeaks the rig and flexes a bit but nothing that affects my driving.

Sorry but this is incorrect and misleading.

He has a >10kg base that provides 15nM of DD Torque. This is a lot of weight and force, that has to be taken into account. What you said applies, maybe, a 2kg 2nM G29 base.

Look at this video and see how much his wheel base is jumping around his hands. He could have the pedals super hyper mega secured there, his experience is terrible and is risking a serious injure:



Same (but opposite) with pedals. It's really a priority if you are using a 100kg Loadcell. If you are using the default G29 pedals, you don't need a strong attachment to the pedals base, you can literally use a office chair.

The video shows all the flex is coming from the mount. The guy showed us a stand where the wheel base bolts in. Totally different mounting system. I would only worry about high downforce cars on the LeMans circuit on the straights. It gets violent on GT7 with some firmware.

 

[bliprunner]

Do you use it with DD Extreme or similar wheel? Is there any flex around pedals or the wheel?

Yes with the extreme. It’s pretty solid, I don’t notice any flex.

 

[=ReBeL=]

Yes with the extreme. It’s pretty solid, I don’t notice any flex.

Thank you!

I just watched this



I like what I see. Yes, it's a compromise - not as good as a rigid frame, which the guy mentions a few times, but also cheaper and with a smaller footprint and somewhat portable. Meaning I could move it to my son's room (with his help) to let him play when I'm not (he plays F1 on his PC). Probably not as easy to move around a full rigid frame and heavy seat on top.

Also a compromise in adjustability - kind of worried by the lack of up and down wheel plate adjustment. Would only know if I can see the bottom of my screen after I already buy and build it. But again, cheaper and available.

So I'm kind of sold on that solution at the moment. Not as something I'd keep forever, but temporary solution to see if I start racing more. Then I could give the Playseat to my son for example and buy something more rigid in future.

So, I'm going to start looking around if I can find some kind of deal on the Playseat Trophy. If someone thinks its a terrible idea, please do speak up. I'd rather not make a fatal mistake somewhere... again! And thank you all for your help so far. You have been all very helpful opening my eyes and showing me how ignorant I have been about this whole thing. Thank you!

 

[effenberg]

The video shows all the flex is coming from the mount. The guy showed us a stand where the wheel base bolts in. Totally different mounting system. I would only worry about high downforce cars on the LeMans circuit on the straights. It gets violent on GT7 with some firmware.

And where does the base bolts in? In a thin metal plate secured by 2 weak, thin, movable angled metal bars, attached to a "base" just as simple. And the only thing creating some ground and stability is the weight of his foots in the pedal plate.

The mounting system is different but the shaking and instability is going to be the same.

I had the same the same stand he has for years. And when I jumped from a T300 (3nM) to a TGT (6nM) it already started falling apart. Imagine with a 12kg 15nM DD base. Those simple stands WILL flex, shake, and maybe even break. It won't happen only in certain cars and situations. He can not ignore this.

 

[cvjoint]

And where does the base bolts in? In a thin metal plate secured by 2 weak, thin, movable angled metal bars, attached to a "base" just as simple. And the only thing creating some ground and stability is the weight of his foots in the pedal plate.

The mounting system is different but the shaking and instability is going to be the same.

I had the same the same stand he has for years. And when I jumped from a T300 (3nM) to a TGT (6nM) it already started falling apart. Imagine with a 12kg 15nM DD base. Those simple stands WILL flex, shake, and maybe even break. It won't happen only in certain cars and situations. He can not ignore this.

The seat to wheel mount connection is key, yes, this is what I've been saying. Once he fixes the pedal pushback issue he also gets more wheel base rigidity. I think he's heading the right direction now. I'm not worried about the angled metal bars or metal plate. Not ideal but workable.

 

[bliprunner]

Thank you!

I just watched this



I like what I see. Yes, it's a compromise - not as good as a rigid frame, which the guy mentions a few times, but also cheaper and with a smaller footprint and somewhat portable. Meaning I could move it to my son's room (with his help) to let him play when I'm not (he plays F1 on his PC). Probably not as easy to move around a full rigid frame and heavy seat on top.

Also a compromise in adjustability - kind of worried by the lack of up and down wheel plate adjustment. Would only know if I can see the bottom of my screen after I already buy and build it. But again, cheaper and available.

So I'm kind of sold on that solution at the moment. Not as something I'd keep forever, but temporary solution to see if I start racing more. Then I could give the Playseat to my son for example and buy something more rigid in future.

So, I'm going to start looking around if I can find some kind of deal on the Playseat Trophy. If someone thinks it’s a terrible idea, please do speak up. I'd rather not make a fatal mistake somewhere... again! And thank you all for your help so far. You have been all very helpful opening my eyes and showing me how ignorant I have been about this whole thing. Thank you!

If you happen to live anywhere near Oxford you’re welcome to check ours out.

 

[Kriptical]

Its not so bad..nor good..but the armrests kinda don’t suck in vr. The next level stand is pretty solid and as long as you strap your chair in things stay relatively intact.

Btw. If you had gone with a lighter stand the biggest issue is occasionally you hold the wheel firm and in a situation where somethings got to give(wheel was all cranked up), the footpad will lift up and clip clop on the ground. It was loud lol. Dogs were like what in the wut buddy! That was with next levels lighter model. Honestly, it was pretty funny when it hapened. Had just upgraded from the 8nm dd pro and all of a sudden it was like……whoa girl!!

Now that gt7’s ffb has… improved get a proper cockpit but for the interim this worked fine.

Eta: yup relegated to the corner of the bedroom and the old tv. I love that VR makes that irrelevant!

 

[MGR]

I like what I see. Yes, it's a compromise - not as good as a rigid frame, which the guy mentions a few times, but also cheaper and with a smaller footprint and somewhat portable. Meaning I could move it to my son's room (with his help) to let him play when I'm not (he plays F1 on his PC). Probably not as easy to move around a full rigid frame and heavy seat on top.

I don't have that particular rig but mine is similar size. I bolted two fixed castor wheels on the front.

The wheels don't touch the ground when the rig is sitting flat, but if you pick it up from the back the castor wheels touch the ground and you can easily move it around the house like a wheelbarrow.

 

[=ReBeL=]

I think I'm in the classic spot most of you were at some point, ie practicability vs stability.

I was pretty set on Playseat Trophy, but watched a few more videos and the lack of up and down adjustment on the wheel deck is throwing me off. I'm 6', so not exactly tall. When I add a big base on top of the deck, like DD Extreme seems to be, the wheel height seems to be a touch too much. It sits above shoulder height and would likely obscure bottom part of my TV. If my TV was high up or adjustable position it wouldn't be much of a problem I guess, but mine sits low to the ground on a normal TV stand. Also it's a 65" LG OLED, not not exactly small to move around. Also I remember that the wheel should be tilted back a bit, like in a normal car for ergonomic feel, making it all even higher. Apart from that, kind of a fatal blow, it seems to be great for what I want.

So then I moved to the next level thing, something like GT Omega Prime Lite R. Watched a few reviews. It's an entry level semi-rigid aluminum rig. Still not too heavy, semi portable. However, it has a flex in the middle during breaking (the whole base moves up / down) and steering rack moves left / right during hard cornering. I could buy it and then reinforce it with additional cross members bought separately, but it makes the whole thing heavier, less portable and more expensive. It has perfect level of adjustability though.

OK, so up to the next level - something like GT Omega Prime Lite. This is sturdy enough, doesn't flex and fits the bill. But it weighs 30kg alone, add 12kg wheel, 12 kg chair on top and it's a massive piece of furniture to add to my room. Not portable, can't hide it and not very easy to move around. Also costs more than I really want to spend. If I stop playing for a while like in a busy period at work, it's an ugly thing to keep inside

So I'm stuck, not sure what I want. Well, I know what I want, but that thing doesn't exist - cheap, solid, rigid rig that is still light enough to move around and looks OK - and, if not hide, at least can move into corner when not in use. So this is where I am now - I bet many of you have went through the exact same process. Going from one thing to the next until you have ended up with something huge and heavy or a compromise in stability.

 

[=ReBeL=]

OK, apologies for spamming the thread. I'm done, I have ordered my cockpit. If I have to spend a penny more, I'll literally explode.

I have went for GT Omega Hybrid frame and RS12 reclining racing seat. I have also thrown in castor wheels to be able to move it around. I spent a crazy amount of money on this and the wheel + pedals. I don't even want to know how much in total. Not going to sum it up. I should have went with one of those complete second hand rigs I laughed at the prices of when first researching. If I build this whole thing up and then a month down the line it will stand gathering dust, I will be officially the stupidest person who ever roamed this planet.

So once again, apologies for spamming this thread with somewhat irrelevant stuff and thank you for helping me out and your patience. I'm done