Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo wheel: Test

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Tried Test Drive Unlimited och Sega Rally Revo nu.

Test Drive unlimited happy to see everything worked... It get´s identified as a joystick but force feedback does work... The wheel certainly feels right at home with this arcade title :). Not much to say about force feedback the physics is really weird but I felt there was a bit less resistance while turning compared to the racing sims I have tried but it never felt sloppy... 100 % FFB all around is required though.

Sega Rally Revo it´s a very bad port. I had to spend weeks to get the G25 to play nice with it so I am not surprised ffb doesn´t work with the 911 wheel here... Would have hoped though that since it shares the setup of the Xbox 360 wheel with separate vibration engines I would at least get some kind of rumble but nothing... However it was still great to use because the wheel steers so smooth and with no force feedback it was very easy to turn as well...

I have however found some problems with the pedals... I have a deadzone on the throttle both in the beginning and in the end of the travel... absolutely no deadzone on the clutch or brake only the throttle pedal weither I run combined or separate axis.
 
Thomas, please help!

My wheel is making funny noises now! I like what your team is trying to do for the sim racing community, but I can't possibly say good things to help you sell this wheel for $350 bucks with issues like this!

So I made a little video to cheer me up, because I'm really frustrated with the poor build quality of this wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Jko6eN10Y

I know it seems a bit rude of me to do this, but you can't possibly expect anyone to spend so much money for a product you advertise as high quality and German Engineered!


Please contact me and I will be happy to give you complete details on these and many other issues with this wheel. It seems like you guys will listen to us, so I believe that its worth my time to give you the feedback so you can make a better product, so that WE can have a better product,

because right now, this wheel is crap! (and its made in China)
 

i know the brake in 911 has that rubber on the end to make it feel more real.. but when you play a SIM game, you rarrly go to the end because you ganna lock your wheels up.. G25 seems to have longer brake. so you can easily press it as deep as you like. so winner is G25 IMO.
the gas ... G25 is the winner..

clutch... i think 911 since offers more realism.. but its really short.. while G25 has longer paddle...

in the end the paddles in G25 are more solid.. more room to work with and you can put as much pressure as you want.. they are as important as the wheel itself.
i bet you after hardcore sim games, when you are required for precision GAS, clutch and brake techniques, all 3 paddles reaquire some pundind. i have my for a year and still feel soild and nothing squeaks..

if 911 squeaks and have low quality from the beginning, they wont survive a year with hardcore SIM racing players.
 
I won't go into a full review, but Fanatec is on the right track. I think there need to be more precise built in settings in the soft ware like that of logitech.
 
I've experienced a number of technical and design issues with this wheel, that the only positive view I can have has to involve sarcasm.

At this stage, the 911 wheel has a lot to refine, but if this is their final product, ergonomics and technical design wise (assuming all technical issues are fixed), the G25 is hands down the better option.
 
I wonder what the expensive version of the wheel will be called..

Fanatec Porsche 911 GT3 RS Turbo Nordschleiefe 4WD Big Boot Pirelli Edition 2008.
 
So what do you porsche wheels owners say? G25 or 911?

quick one from one that got a 911 pretty much without any issues except the deadzone on the throttle which hopefully is just a driver issue :)
Wheel 911 no doubt. The more I drive with it the more it convinces me. Very impressive especially considering there is no premade profiles made for it and the beta drivers... I am sure it will get even better but it´s already much better then the G25 in all games I have tried...

Shifter 911 no doubt despite aweful mounting method and uneven resistance on different gears.

Pedals G25 no doubt despite feeling totally unrealistic but easier to use.

If you go with the G25 you need a replacement shifter...

On the 911 replacement pedals and a replacement shifter would help for sure... No comparison between the sst lightning shifter and the 911 shifter.

A bit more money yes but you end up with better pedals better wheel and equal shifter :)

As for durability many have rmad their G25s already... Know several that got issues with them getting noisy and getting sloppy force feedback. 911 is of course a big question mark as well how well it will hold up. If you buy it now you will have to use beta drivers while the G25 works pretty much flawlessly... Wouldn´t buy it used without a warranty for sure... Wouldn´t do that with a G25 either.
 
Pedals G25 no doubt despite feeling totally unrealistic but easier to use.


A bit more money yes but you end up with better pedals better wheel and equal shifter

Don't you mean just better wheel, not better pedals and wheel?

I honestly don't see the justification for charging more money than the G25 just for having a better wheel, when the shifter and pedals are crap.

How much better is the 911 wheel than the G25 other than it being thicker really?

IMO don't think fan flare like LED and many buttons will make you drive any better, so although the 911 is more feature rich, its not really any better than the G25
 
Don't you mean just better wheel, not better pedals and wheel?

I honestly don't see the justification for charging more money than the G25 just for having a better wheel, when the shifter and pedals are crap.

How much better is the 911 wheel than the G25 other than it being thicker really?

IMO don't think fan flare like LED and many buttons will make you drive any better, so although the 911 is more feature rich, its not really any better than the G25

It´s better because it´s much smoother then the G25 and it performs accurately across the whole range... No slop in the middle like on the G25. The ffb is better on the 911 wheel as a result already with no profiles made for it even... Not everything is better then the G25 but overall it´s much better. In this price range there is no better ffb wheel then this. There is a G25 modded product that looks awesome but that is around 900 Euro... VPPs FFB wheel even more then that and I guess Frex will be somewhere up there as well. ... Also it doesn´t hurt with more buttons on the wheel either what is wrong with more features?

However if clues are right if you are primarily after a wheel Fanatec is working on a more high end wheel as well... But having shifter and pedals is still nice because there is arcade titles and such that don´t support multiple controllers. I could live with the Fanatec pedals for sure in those titles... All serious sims and most titles do support multiple controllers though.

Shifter I don´t understand why you call it crap just because it´s plastic? I guess you agree that the G25 shifter is crap as well that thing breaks in no time. From what I see of the construction of the 911 shifters I don´t really see what would break in them.

To put things into perspective I use a SST lightning shifter that alone costs about half of what a 911 wheel cost... If the 911 wheel would incorporate a shifter of that quality the costs would be sky high. I rather see they save the money on the extras rather then on the wheel itself. Since the wheel is the hub you don´t really buy a wheel for the pedals then you buy standalone pedals. ... Each to their own but function is more important for me and I don´t see what part in the shifters that would break and it´s not sloppy like the G25 shifter... I preferr both the H-shifter and the sequential of the 911 over the G25 shifter. I couldn´t use it as a sequential at all because I couldn´t help pressing down on it at times and the spring was so weak.

As for the pedals I am saying 3rd party pedals like CST, Ecci, VPP, Frex etc or nixim progressive brake modded G25 pedals is miles better then the 911 pedals yes despite of what is mentioned in autosimsports recent Fanatec 911 review ;). I wouldn´t agree the pedals are crap though... It´s to much black and white for me... However I do agree I had much higher hopes for those but the wheel does make up for it :)

What is more bang for the buck depends on what you are after... If pedals are more important for sure you will not understand why the 911 wheel is more expensive because the G25 pedals have much more weight in them feels and looks more solid and much more resistance in them. But if you look at the wheels and the really cheap G25 casing and buttons and the sloppy feeling of it it may feel expensive actually compared to the 911...
 
And we can still improve the pedals before mass production.

The travel of the brake will be increased by 50% to 3.5cm and we also add a longer cable of 2.5 meters.

The biggest critics on the shifter our the mount and we will offer an optional mount made of steel which holds it very tight.

It would be great to have the best wheel but we will not stop until the other components will be considered as first choice in this price range as well.
 
And we can still improve the pedals before mass production.

The travel of the brake will be increased by 50% to 3.5cm and we also add a longer cable of 2.5 meters.

The biggest critics on the shifter our the mount and we will offer an optional mount made of steel which holds it very tight.

It would be great to have the best wheel but we will not stop until the other components will be considered as first choice in this price range as well.
Glad to hear the pedals are being improved! I'm still getting mine I purchased all set up, and I picked up a G25 yesterday for comparison (30 day return policy there, so I'll be able to try both and pick which works better for me.)

I've only used them on the PS3 so far, and I'm having wireless transmission issues on the dongle (but I'm at a long distance, upstairs from my PS3.) Fanatec so far has been great. I suggested they use the g25 mounting hole pattern for the new shifter external holder, which they will plan to do if possible (great for those with cockpits planned for the G25.) They are sending me a new dongle they say improved the wireless distance also.

The wheel itself feels great. I love the buttons switching modes for console or PC gaming, and having buttons on the wheel itself as opposed to the G25. The shifter will be sturdier on a new mount and I'll probably want to try that out ASAP (I have a G25 shifter-holder accessory on the way for my Playseat Evolution.)

However, I must say so far the biggest disappointment for me has been the pedal assembly, and accelerator pedal in particular. It feels way too light compared to the G25. I could probably deal without the metal, but the overall weight of the pedal is too light. If that could be "heavied" up somehow in the second wave of production too it would help a lot. Greater brake travel is good too. Well done listening to the feedback Fanatec! By the way, the clutch pedal is about perfect. Metal would be nice everywhere, but the 911 wheel's clutch has more feel than the G25; the only thing I don't like about the G25 pedals. Now make a set of pedals similar in metal, maybe with a load cell (only if you can make it work with the PS3 & PC & current wheel, ideally), for say an upgrade to current 911 owners with a trade in on current pedals, and you'd have an awesome solution!

PS- I think the shifter if bolted down could be much more solid feeling than the G25 model too. It's just a little too wobbly in mounting now for my taste, but the G25 is sloppy.

Bottom line thus far for me- I have avoided all the PC driver early wave of issues by being a PS3 gamer mostly. Over the weekend I'll fire up rFactor or maybe GPL to check things out, and I appreciate the devs working on new driver updates to address the PC issues. I doubt any of them will remain once this testing period is over. That to me is software. On the hardware- as is now, I think it's not worth the extra $60-100 over the G25, but could be with some changes as highlighted above. In fact, if the wheel could ship with better pedals and a better shifter mounting solution, it might be worth $400 to a lot of us (especially with better brake pedal travel and heavier overall pedal construction.) By the way, threadded inserts in the pedal structure would be good too, like the G25, to mount to cockpits or Playseats. G25 has six holes which line up perfectly with my Playseat.

Finally, I think the LED display above the wheel, built in buttons & switching lights and belt driven feedback with no center deadzone (which I noticed even first time using the otherwise excellent G25) could all be features that set this wheel apart when these other things are worked out.
 
Will the pedals be made stiffer in the meanwhile? I think the problem is stiffness rather then travel... It´s not unrealistic with shorter travel on the brake then the throttle quite the opposite with modern cars at least and racing cars for sure. I think the G25 for example have way to much travel on the brake. I had frex pedals before and I didn´t have more travel in those than on the 911 pedals actually but made them stiff so it really required max foot bressure to get full brakes.

I do understand though that you want a compromise so people don´t have to mount them permanently or can´t use the wheel in the living room... Those who like the autosimsport review actually use the lap pad. Its nothing for me I would use a simple gamepad instead... One idea to solve this is to make the pedals modable and sell "spring kits". Doesn´t have to cost much the nixim mod was about 15$ including shipping :). It increased the feeling of the G25 brake something enormous. The modded G25 pedals are actually fully usable just on my wood floor unsupported since you short calibrate them. Of course you get the most out of it in a real dedicated cockpit... Playseat wasn´t really stable enough for it says something about what foot pressure is needed for full brakes here...However for this you want the long travel the G25 pedals has... When you do run in a cockpit you add a 50 % deadzone and rest the feet at the pedal because you feel exactly where the rubber makes contact like a soft stop... This gives about the travel of the 911 pedals :). Without deadzone you do use a bit more travel I think and in the beginning there is only the default G25 spring acting on the pedals. Really really neat all in one hardcore and console solution for people with or without desks or cockpits :).
Really has that progressive feel the 911 wheel was marketed to have but irl doesn´t on my unit at least.

I have yet to find a wheel that want to sell to this crowd as well which haven´t suffered from the compromises... In the 911 case the wheel mounted shifter and the low resistance in the pedals. However happy to see that you are working on it but how do this affect the ones that already ordered the retail wheel and got their units? The new pedals will be sold separately or will you be able to exchange your existing pedals?

For the best budget solution I would choose the 911 wheel combined with the nixim modded G25 pedals really... And a shifter with the feel but without the noise of the 911 and the looks of the G25 perhaps is what you can hope for I guess in this price range.
 
It´s better because it´s much smoother then the G25 and it performs accurately across the whole range... No slop in the middle like on the G25. The ffb is better on the 911 wheel as a result already with no profiles made for it even... Not everything is better then the G25 but overall it´s much better. In this price range there is no better ffb wheel then this. There is a G25 modded product that looks awesome but that is around 900 Euro... VPPs FFB wheel even more then that and I guess Frex will be somewhere up there as well. ... Also it doesn´t hurt with more buttons on the wheel either what is wrong with more features?

I agree, and there is nothing wrong with more features, but buttons on a wheel don't necessarily do anything to make it better.

A wheel needs to do two things,
1. Turn,
2. Respond with feedback.

Other than making it respond better there really isn't much you can improve.



Shifter I don´t understand why you call it crap just because it´s plastic?
I guess you agree that the G25 shifter is crap as well that thing breaks in no time. From what I see of the construction of the 911 shifters I don´t really see what would break in them.

Lets see:
1. Plastic breaks, metal does not. (G25 has a metal shaft and internal casing) You shift hard enough, and that stick will snap!
2. There is more resistance going from left to right on the shifter than switching into gears. That should be the other way around.
3. It feel so light and plastic when you hold it, it deprives you of the pleasure you experience when shifting.

I don't see how much extra it would cost, if you wrap the stick in the leather used on the wheel.

4. The whole mounting system is bogus, but since Thomas addressed this, i'll leave it at that.

5. The cable sticks out of the bottom which makes it very easy to snag or break off.


I'd say shifter is pretty much a complement of the G25, it makes up for everything the G25 has, but lacks everything else.

In an earlier post I noted that the shifter is very simple and simple is a sign of reliability, so no disagreement there.





But if you look at the wheels and the really cheap G25 casing and buttons and the sloppy feeling of it it may feel expensive actually compared to the 911...

Umm.... no. The plastic casing of the G25 is actually of much higher quality than of the 911. The 911 casing squeaks when you touch it. The buttons on the 911 are about as sloppy on the G25. The only quality bit of the casing of the 911 is the metal grills. Wow, metal grills! Someone even pointed that out as a great feature on their video review. G25 just has holes, which serve equal purpose for venting the unit and are made of lets see... nothing!

G25 wheel is made entirely out of metal, where as the 911 is not. I can not possibly agree that the build quality of the 911 wheel is higher than the G25, but I will agree to disagree.
 
G25 wheel is made of cheap scratchy aluminium :). And a very thin grip with cheap letter... THe casing is ultra cheap plastics really wish they would have gone with the MOMO Force red casing for the G25... It´s still plastic but higher quality and it looks like metal :)

As for the G25 shifter it´s just the pole that is metal the rest is just plastic except for the leather around it... I can bet 100 buck the 911 shifter lasts longer then the G25... I know several that has replaced theirs already so we will have to totally disagree about the shifter :)
 
G25 wheel is made of cheap scratchy aluminium

...so would expensive plastic be better than cheap aluminum?

This seems like a silly argument, so I will not try to convince anyone, but I personally find that all the material quality of the G25, except the leather grip are better than what the 911 currently employs.

Cheap aluminum or not, its aluminum, which is stronger and more lasting than plastic. <--- that's a period, the same period that can also be found on the Periodic Table of elements.

But, if you, or Thomas, or the 'line leader' of the "made in china" factory like to prove that the 911 plastic is superior in durability to the G25's aluminum, please go ahead, I enjoy being entertained.
 
Well actually it doesn´t last longer then high quality plastics. Check your G25 wheel you may have scratches already :). You may also have noticed how easy it is to bend the paddles... It all has it pros and cons paddles is one thing that is better on the G25 until I have bend them so much I can´t use them anymore but I really can´t agree it has higher quality material... May look like it has on first sight though.

What do have much better material is the pedals as mentioned.
 
Here is an easier test:

Search on the forums how many G25 issues have been reported since 2 years, then search on the forums how many 911 issues have been reported in 2 days.

Compare the results.
 
Much more dead wheels on the G25 and even more reported dead shifters...

Why we would do this comparison between a pre production wheel and a wheel that has been out for approx a year makes no sense... Several in the racing communities I have been active has had issues with their G25s both wheel and shifter... No reported issues on the pedals yet though :)
 
Looks like there is only one way to settle this senseless debate...

💡

With a senseless race down the stretches of Grand Valley!!!


It worked in the Fast and the Furious, so I think it should work for us since we're Fast and Mechanically Curious. :crazy:

See you at dawn, under the bridge! ...oh wait this is sim-racing, we have to account for UTC time zones, and since we can't race on-line with GT4, we have to compare replays... oh damn 911 wheel doesn't even work with GT4. How about LFS?? This is getting complicated.

Damn you virtual world!:banghead: How are we supposed to settle our debates on non-real life peripherals for non-real life racing!:scared:
 
you guys do know that Logitech is working with a new wheel for the GT5? maybe that will be improved all 2gether...

and besides.. i see that when u press gas on 911.. the wheel starts to vibrate.. nice addition.. but when you press on gas in real life the wheel becomes more stable.. and when you stop in some cars the wheel may rumble a bit, but thats a problem then...

911 good for arcade games
G25 made for sim... and if you dont like how the shifter handles... you sitck a bit of foam in one of the spirings to make it more resistant and more real life... and if u dont like the brake, you can buy a small piece of rubber to make it more real life...
besides if you want the RUMBLE of the eninge to be in your wheel... Few Racing sim games offer that to the G25 but its pointless since every game that offers it, by default (on sim physics) its set to LOW

and its 100-150 dollars cheaper now
 
oh damn 911 wheel doesn't even work with GT4. How about LFS?? This is getting complicated.

The 911 wheel doesn't work with GT4? Has that been tried and failed? I just got an 80GB PS3 and was going to get GT4 this weekend. Import version of GT5 Prologue on the way too, so I can try that out next week with both wheels. Does the G25 work with GT4 but the 911 doesn't? Even in compatibility (orange lights) mode?
 
Looks like there is only one way to settle this senseless debate...

💡

With a senseless race down the stretches of Grand Valley!!!


It worked in the Fast and the Furious, so I think it should work for us since we're Fast and Mechanically Curious. :crazy:

See you at dawn, under the bridge! ...oh wait this is sim-racing, we have to account for UTC time zones, and since we can't race on-line with GT4, we have to compare replays... oh damn 911 wheel doesn't even work with GT4. How about LFS?? This is getting complicated.

Damn you virtual world!:banghead: How are we supposed to settle our debates on non-real life peripherals for non-real life racing!:scared:

lol... Well it has to be a racing sim with no aids... Something that test your manhood must be Richard Burns Rally :) Best time without cutting on the great britain track that is unlocked :D... Rally is good because you can race whenever you want. Only condition is that I am allowed to use the G25 pedals ;)

Jaguar: I guess you aren´t a beta tester? I can assure you that the 911 wheel is actually more realistic in term of feel then the G25... Both do work both for sim and arcade titles. They are so different so I am already seeing two camps building up, telling eachother how that other wheels suck :D... And I can actually understand both camps even if I am in the 911 camp for sure ;)
 
Only condition is that I am allowed to use the G25 pedals ;)

That's a good point. Until the brake travel is improved, and ideally the weight of the gas pedal too, the G25 pedals would be my go-to as well in a race. I wish however there was a way to combine those with the 911 wheel in console-land too. It would be a nice touch if the 911 wheel had some provision for plug-in after-market pedals too since I think the wireless technology limits it to only the pedals that came with it, unless you use a PC and set up two controllers to work at once. If there was a little DB9 connector on the wheel that matched the Logitech pinout (if the pots & electronics would talk to each other) we could use this excellent wheel with some other pedals.

Speaking of that, are there pedals out there in the higher-end (adjustable, full metal, racing style) that are designed to replace the G25 pedal set & are direct plug-in AND work with the G25 on the PS3? I remember reading there were pedals to replace DFP pedals, but didn't know about the G25. We need an option like that for the 911 wheel since I think the wheel itself could be good enough with proper drivers for such a setup, but not the pedals that shipped with this production round...
 
lol... Well it has to be a racing sim with no aids... Something that test your manhood must be Richard Burns Rally :) Best time without cutting on the great britain track that is unlocked :D... Rally is good because you can race whenever you want. Only condition is that I am allowed to use the G25 pedals ;)

deal!

The 911 wheel doesn't work with GT4? Has that been tried and failed?

I tried plugging it into my PS2, and although the buttons turned red, it didn't recognize it as a controller. I may not have performed some required step, but I couldn't get it to work. Also I don't remember reading anywhere that it was supposed to support PS2
 
Ok now I don´t have a choice lol... I read about the guy at LFS forum that took the pedals apart and removed the foam... Decided to give it a try myself... Since this is a beta test and all :) I have disassembled pedals like the MOMO Force red pedals before and expected the pots and axes to be secured but the only thing that is holding them down is the plastic casing actually... Also the throttle pot went loose by itself no wonder you get a deadzone with these pedals...

Of course the pots are now completely wrong so have some work to do to make them functioning again... Must say they are just as cheaply made inside as they appear on the outside so there is a lot of work to be done in this department...

One more thing this centering spring always on is this issue being worked on? Has anyone find a game that this wheel doesn´t self center in?
 
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