Female Drivers.

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In fact I think there should be some options for your driver other than gear. For example, male or female, and long hair or short hair. If hair was decided by gender, where wold I come under, I have longer hair than almost everyone in my year-group and that's because I'm a rocker. The game needs to apply to me because I'm the master of the world :p :dopey:
 
Simple, since it's linked to the PSN account it should simply read the gender of the account and add slight chest size on the female drivers out there since most drivers male or female tend to look similar in the racing suit due to the strength needed to endure a race.
 
I think the reason that there is no female option is because GT has barely focused on the driver's appearance until GT5, and has strayed away from real-life people until now with Gordon, Vettel, and Loeb.
 
I'm going to bed soon, but just wanted to say something here real quick before I do. Why has there never been any female drivers(game model thingies) in Gran Turismo? I think that is pretty messed up I mean there are great female drivers in the world so why not include them in GT? I hope that in GT6 PD gets a little smarter and adds female drivers in it.

Drivers are almost entirely male. If you list all the world's female drivers, they're still so relatively few as to be just token females. That isn't to say that they can't have an option for a female driver rendered in the game, but the focus on males is obviously due to the fact that virtually all race drivers are male.

There have been just five female Formula One drivers in the entire history of F1. Among them they have collectively started 29 grands prix, with zero poles, zero podiums, zero wins, zero championship wins, and only one of them earned any points at all - Lella Lombardi earned half a point.

I have less precise information regarding female NASCAR drivers (mainly because I just don't follow NASCAR at all), but there can't have been terribly many because I never hear of them. The ones that's in there must be in lower series, at least in general. For example, in the case of the overhyped Danica Patrick ("DP" as I now like to call her), I'm not aware of her yet climbing above the Nationwide series, which is still up there but not the top series. If there's been hundreds of NASCAR drivers over the decades and various series, and a few dozen have been female, that's nothing and little more than a footnote.

Wikipedia seems to list as many as a whopping six female rally drivers; that's not in recent years but altogether. There doesn't seem to have been very many female Indy drivers, either.

But, yes, they're technically in there. Again, I have no problem with having an option to render a GT driver as female. I'm just saying there's a reason they didn't feel the need to bother.

Now, for the really unpleasant part: "great female drivers". All joking aside, when people throw praise at female race drivers, it's generally with a connotation of "she does well for a female". Their performance and praise is generally in regards to them as a female driver specifically, rather than as a driver in general.

If Danica Patrick had instead been Daniel Patrick (male), nobody but the strictest of Indy fans would know who it was. The reporters make a habit of walking back to 27th on the starting grid to interview Danica Patrick, but nobody would give two craps about Daniel Patrick starting 27th on the grid. People don't praise her for being a top driver, but for being a top female driver. Being a top female driver isn't quite the same as being a top driver.

It's always been a friggin' joke whenever people talk about Danica in Formula One because she just isn't F1 material, plain and simple, but I do want to see her in a F1 car in an F1 race so she can fall flat on her pretty face in front of 600 million F1 fans and 200 nations. They'll need special members of the pit crew to run up and wipe the tears from her eyes when she sobs over things being too hard.

Looking over DP's Indy car seasons, she's finished 12th, 9th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 10th, and is presently 11th in 2011 so far. So, her very best season was 5th place, and she's averaged 8.6th so far in IRL. Sure, that's decent, but not normally quite well enough to be "great". That's just "great for a female driver", which again isn't the same.

Let's average the performance of all 2010 female IRL drivers (doing so because it was a completed season, versus what I was originally going to do and use 2011). I'm not going to count drivers who only did one or just a few races, because of course they're going to rank at the bottom. Danica Patrick finished 10th in 2010. Milka Duno finished 23rd. Simona de Silvestro placed 19th. Sarah Fisher was 26th. Between these four they averaged a finish of 19.5th for the 2010 season. That's not terribly good when one considers that many of the 2011 IRL participants only participated in a few individual races and only 24 drivers joined in more than half of the season's events, and only 22 were there for all of them. This means 2010's IRL female drivers averaged in the back. So, while Danica specifically does alright, IRL's female drivers in general don't do so well relative to their male counterparts.

Now, one could try to argue that there's males at the back. That's true, there are, but they're also in the middle and they're also at the front. They don't average at the rear. They average around average rather than averaging toward the back, as common sense would suggest.

Look, I know this isn't going to make me very popular. Hate me if you like. I'm not going to lie to you, though. I just tell it to you straight, whether it's good or bad. The truth is that while some female drivers have enjoyed some degree of success, in general they don't do so hot.
 
A woman would look totally different, even in racing overalls. I think they should be included. I'd totally have a chick b-spec driver.
 
There's this feint smell of bacon in this thread now...
 
In response to the Danica/Daniel (lolthat'smyname)Patrick. It's because the media see her as something to report on. It's because most racing drivers are males. Just because Danica's a women doesn't mean that she's not that good. It's because she's not that good. Your assumption isn't even either. If there was an even amount of men and women who compete in the IRL regularly and they happen to be not as good as the men then you can make that statement. I think a correct statement to make (and not say any more) is that 'More men race because men are more interested in racing.' You can say the exact same thing with 'More women play netball because they are more interested in netball'.


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In response to the Danica/Daniel (lolthat'smyname)Patrick. It's because the media see her as something to report on. It's because most racing drivers are males. Just because Danica's a women doesn't mean that she's not that good.

I think that Dancia Patrick is overrated. I mean, yes, she is a good driver (certainly ALOT better then us keyboard warriors!) but not more. The media hypes her alot. After her win in motegi (?) there was even speculation about her moving to F1. Holy cow, that chick hasn`t proven anything, but people wrote her into F1 cockpits. While there are tons of great talents in feeder series here in europe who would beat her without any problems on non oval circuits. Yes, I rate a driver like Bianchi higher then her (if we talk about grand prix racing of course, on ovals he would have no chance).
 
Thanks for making this topic, now PD is going to develop a sophisticated pointless system to make the drivers more customizable to GT5 or implicate it in GT6 and make the loading times 10 more million seconds, absolutely brilliant(sarcasm) Heck they'll even waste time to implicate a physics engine so the woman would move in a car like she would in real life, damn Polyphony Digital.
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And it'll add 10 million years to the development time of GT6
 
Their are females but their not usable.

When you get gold on a license you see a female near the car
 
Wow IceMan PJN, what's the problem, can't get any dates?
As someone else pointed out, if as many women as men were interested in race driving (and there would be if it was as socially acceptable for them to be interested in and do it) there would be plenty more in the middle and at the front of the pack. Re-read your own post and ask yourself why it could be that women aren't as interested in it as men. It is a brave and select few people male or female that are willing to go out and do something when they know the odds of them really succeeding are slim and they also know that almost everyone watching is just dying for them to fail so they can say "see I told you so, they just naturally suck."
 
You spent all that time researching and fact finding just to support your opinion that a woman should not be a selectable character on a video game presumably played by women? I feel sorry for you...

Exactly.

Its not about the historical record of women race car drivers.
But rather since there are some, rare in comparison as they may be, there are likewise GT players such as MG who would just like to have the choice to distinguish that identity in their game.

No big deal.
 
Justin Bieber Syndrome.

Moving on, I'm all for female drivers in F1 and lower, they just need to get out there and make it happen. Fortunately driving is not a contact sport, so it doesn't suffer from the problem that unisex football has etc.
 
Drivers are almost entirely male. If you list all the world's female drivers, they're still so relatively few as to be just token females. That isn't to say that they can't have an option for a female driver rendered in the game, but the focus on males is obviously due to the fact that virtually all race drivers are male.

There have been just five female Formula One drivers in the entire history of F1. Among them they have collectively started 29 grands prix, with zero poles, zero podiums, zero wins, zero championship wins, and only one of them earned any points at all - Lella Lombardi earned half a point.

I have less precise information regarding female NASCAR drivers (mainly because I just don't follow NASCAR at all), but there can't have been terribly many because I never hear of them. The ones that's in there must be in lower series, at least in general. For example, in the case of the overhyped Danica Patrick ("DP" as I now like to call her), I'm not aware of her yet climbing above the Nationwide series, which is still up there but not the top series. If there's been hundreds of NASCAR drivers over the decades and various series, and a few dozen have been female, that's nothing and little more than a footnote.

Wikipedia seems to list as many as a whopping six female rally drivers; that's not in recent years but altogether. There doesn't seem to have been very many female Indy drivers, either.

But, yes, they're technically in there. Again, I have no problem with having an option to render a GT driver as female. I'm just saying there's a reason they didn't feel the need to bother.

Now, for the really unpleasant part: "great female drivers". All joking aside, when people throw praise at female race drivers, it's generally with a connotation of "she does well for a female". Their performance and praise is generally in regards to them as a female driver specifically, rather than as a driver in general.

If Danica Patrick had instead been Daniel Patrick (male), nobody but the strictest of Indy fans would know who it was. The reporters make a habit of walking back to 27th on the starting grid to interview Danica Patrick, but nobody would give two craps about Daniel Patrick starting 27th on the grid. People don't praise her for being a top driver, but for being a top female driver. Being a top female driver isn't quite the same as being a top driver.

It's always been a friggin' joke whenever people talk about Danica in Formula One because she just isn't F1 material, plain and simple, but I do want to see her in a F1 car in an F1 race so she can fall flat on her pretty face in front of 600 million F1 fans and 200 nations. They'll need special members of the pit crew to run up and wipe the tears from her eyes when she sobs over things being too hard.

Looking over DP's Indy car seasons, she's finished 12th, 9th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 10th, and is presently 11th in 2011 so far. So, her very best season was 5th place, and she's averaged 8.6th so far in IRL. Sure, that's decent, but not normally quite well enough to be "great". That's just "great for a female driver", which again isn't the same.

Let's average the performance of all 2010 female IRL drivers (doing so because it was a completed season, versus what I was originally going to do and use 2011). I'm not going to count drivers who only did one or just a few races, because of course they're going to rank at the bottom. Danica Patrick finished 10th in 2010. Milka Duno finished 23rd. Simona de Silvestro placed 19th. Sarah Fisher was 26th. Between these four they averaged a finish of 19.5th for the 2010 season. That's not terribly good when one considers that many of the 2011 IRL participants only participated in a few individual races and only 24 drivers joined in more than half of the season's events, and only 22 were there for all of them. This means 2010's IRL female drivers averaged in the back. So, while Danica specifically does alright, IRL's female drivers in general don't do so well relative to their male counterparts.

Now, one could try to argue that there's males at the back. That's true, there are, but they're also in the middle and they're also at the front. They don't average at the rear. They average around average rather than averaging toward the back, as common sense would suggest.

Look, I know this isn't going to make me very popular. Hate me if you like. I'm not going to lie to you, though. I just tell it to you straight, whether it's good or bad. The truth is that while some female drivers have enjoyed some degree of success, in general they don't do so hot.

Just to add, my friend races in formula renault and she does quite well, just a bit of information on here: http://www.alice-powell.com/
 
Thanks for all the replies everyone. I see many different positions on this issue. I could care less about the breast size of the driver or if she is hot or anything like that, just a noticable female form driving is what I was saying. Other than that I would play just as I normally do in the game which is to just enjoy my loved cars and the track I'm on etc.

To be clear, I support your request for a female avatar option and my remark about selectable breast size (which won't happen thankfully) was just to counteract a remark about immature people using female avatars.
There are plenty of female petrolheads and some of those love racing games as well, so choosing an avatar which represents them seems perfectly logical although I fear it's a question of demographics foremost.
I think it's safe to say the vast majority of people buying and playing GT5 are male, and therefor (like a lot of games) the default choice for the avatar is a male one.


Why would anyone want to play as female driver, that is just weird. I don't like to play as any female character in video game

First of all because they might be female (not that weird), secondly because they might like to pretend to be female (might be weird but then again why can't you be weird?).
Although I agree that unlike real life I don't like to play as a female character in videogames.
 
FUN RACING STATS.

It could be argued that there aren't many female racecar drivers because there many flashing arrows pointing young girls to have an interest in racing. You know, the old "blame society" excuse.

Using other sports as examples, soccer is not a very popular sport in America, yet, of the fans we do have - many are women because Mia Hamm was the face of American soccer for so many years. The same goes for tennis. I work at a tennis club and there are just as many young girls playing tennis as there are men, and I think that has alot to do with the fact that women's professional tennis is so popular. Not just because the Williams sisters either.

What I'm getting at is that, while there aren't many professional female drivers at the top today, there are more now than there has been historically. The crops of younger girls are still being sewn. Girls are becoming interested in the sport by the likes of Ashley Force, Danica Patrick, and the like. As a matter of fact, I only know one amateur kart driver and it's a black teenage girl. How's that for stereotypes? BTW: She runs Junior Dragsters, too. ;)

There's no reason that women can't be successful drivers in any category. I've never seen evidence that men have better instincts or reaction times as a whole, and I would imagine the fact that women tend to have smaller frames than men would be ideal since weight is almost always a concern for elite racing. Endurance isn't as issue. I've worked with many female ultra-distance athletes who are small and mighty. The have the physique to handle any car or bike. The sport just needs more girls to find interest.
 
They could of made it where u choose the name and the driver changes to when u get certain names there female names and the driver just gets a little shorter and skinnier so you no it's a female. Than with all the pink gear it will be extra obvious. Just as long as there's no S.Chang, Y.Won, K.Pong drivers.








Just joking my Asian drivers I'm sure your good at racing too.
 
Thanks for making this topic, now PD is going to develop a sophisticated pointless system to make the drivers more customizable to GT5 or implicate it in GT6 and make the loading times 10 more million seconds, absolutely brilliant(sarcasm) Heck they'll even waste time to implicate a physics engine so the woman would move in a car like she would in real life, damn Polyphony Digital.
And it'll add 10 million years to the development time of GT6

Nothing against to see how the g-forces affects the boobs of a female driver. Make it real PD. 👍

Ohh, and i've just found a "strange" clip on youtube: :drool:

 
On-topic post about one reason why there aren't many female characters in video games:

http://kotaku.com/5488592/why-modern-video-game-armies-lack-female-troops

When you actually put in female characters, typically you have to put in an entire new skeleton model and that entire new skeleton model adds an entire new level of animation and an entire new level of rigging. You basically double the amount of data and memory for soldiers that would need to go into your game.
 
It could be argued that there aren't many female racecar drivers because there many flashing arrows pointing young girls to have an interest in racing. You know, the old "blame society" excuse.

Using other sports as examples, soccer is not a very popular sport in America, yet, of the fans we do have - many are women because Mia Hamm was the face of American soccer for so many years. The same goes for tennis. I work at a tennis club and there are just as many young girls playing tennis as there are men, and I think that has alot to do with the fact that women's professional tennis is so popular. Not just because the Williams sisters either.

What I'm getting at is that, while there aren't many professional female drivers at the top today, there are more now than there has been historically. The crops of younger girls are still being sewn. Girls are becoming interested in the sport by the likes of Ashley Force, Danica Patrick, and the like. As a matter of fact, I only know one amateur kart driver and it's a black teenage girl. How's that for stereotypes? BTW: She runs Junior Dragsters, too. ;)

There's no reason that women can't be successful drivers in any category. I've never seen evidence that men have better instincts or reaction times as a whole, and I would imagine the fact that women tend to have smaller frames than men would be ideal since weight is almost always a concern for elite racing. Endurance isn't as issue. I've worked with many female ultra-distance athletes who are small and mighty. The have the physique to handle any car or bike. The sport just needs more girls to find interest.

YES, thank you, I'm glad somebody gets it. I think it would be great if there were female avatars in GT5 simply because females need all the encouragement and help possible to get excited about racing ESPECIALLY when there are still plenty of very vocal people out there with opinions like:

I do want to see her in a F1 car in an F1 race so she can fall flat on her pretty face in front of 600 million F1 fans and 200 nations. They'll need special members of the pit crew to run up and wipe the tears from her eyes when she sobs over things being too hard.
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female drivers in general don't do so well relative to their male counterparts.
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The truth is that while some female drivers have enjoyed some degree of success, in general they don't do so hot.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're a decent guy IceMan and you sound like you know a lot about racing, but it would be great if everyone could keep in mind there are young girls/women that play GT5, they are on this forum and others, and they are very likely reading this thread or threads like this. When they read enough stuff like that from guys like you who know about racing eventually what else are they likely to decide except, "Well they know about that stuff and they say girls aren't any good so I'm probably not. I think I'll just stay home and play this video game where I won't be subjected to public humiliation if I don't do spectacularly instead of going out and getting involved with real racing." And that's just bullsh**. Who are you to decide they couldn't have been the next Vettel or whoever, based solely on the performance of the 0.01% of pro drivers that have been female. If it was your daughter or girlfriend or whatever and she loved playing GT5 with you would you be saying garbage like that in front of her? Hope not.
Do me a favor and at least entertain the thought that attitudes like yours just might be the reason that there are no great female drivers in any racing series, and take it down a notch, at least in public.
 
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Im happy that there are no female driver models. Ok, its bad for our female GT5 players, but this option would only lead all those immature idiots to use them. Right now I think its fine, race drivers are generally male. Whats the problem... I know, there are some great female race drivers like Sabine Schmitz or Danica Patrick, but they are few and non of them is the driver to beat in their form of motorsports (In DTM Paul Di Resta -who is incredibly talented- was way better then Sabine and in Indy car Danica has yet to win a championship).

You're wrong. Female drivers can be ones to beat. Claudia somonee or another won an FIA GT3 race in Portugal.

On topic, I have never actually thought about the possibility of having female drivers in GT5. It might be a good idea though.
 
You're wrong. Female drivers can be ones to beat. Claudia somonee or another won an FIA GT3 race in Portugal.

On topic, I have never actually thought about the possibility of having female drivers in GT5. It might be a good idea though.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

But talking about the highest forms of motorsports...

- No women was ever competetiv in F1. No female race driver in this world could match Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton in the same car.

- No women ever won at LeMans. No current female driver is good enough to steal a cockpit from someone like Lotterer.

- Im not so into NASCAR, but IIRC there hasn`t been a female race winner yet? Also, I doubt there is a female stock car driver who is good enough to beat Kyle Bush or Jeff Gordon.

What I want to say is... Because there are so few female race drivers out there, the chances of a female "Wunderkind" blitzing trough the motorsport world is very small.

Eventhough all this female drivers are very likely better drivers then me :)
 
Ok, thanks for the clarification.

But talking about the highest forms of motorsports...

- No women was ever competetiv in F1. No female race driver in this world could match Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton in the same car.

- No women ever won at LeMans. No current female driver is good enough to steal a cockpit from someone like Lotterer.

- Im not so into NASCAR, but IIRC there hasn`t been a female race winner yet? Also, I doubt there is a female stock car driver who is good enough to beat Kyle Bush or Jeff Gordon.

What I want to say is... Because there are so few female race drivers out there, the chances of a female "Wunderkind" blitzing trough the motorsport world is very small.

Eventhough all this female drivers are very likely better drivers then me :)

Vanina Ickx, Liz Halliday, and Amanda Robertson (4th in class at this years Le Mans)... would like a word with you.
 
Ok, thanks for the clarification.

But talking about the highest forms of motorsports...

- No women was ever competetiv in F1. No female race driver in this world could match Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton in the same car.

- No women ever won at LeMans. No current female driver is good enough to steal a cockpit from someone like Lotterer.

- Im not so into NASCAR, but IIRC there hasn`t been a female race winner yet? Also, I doubt there is a female stock car driver who is good enough to beat Kyle Bush or Jeff Gordon.

What I want to say is... Because there are so few female race drivers out there, the chances of a female "Wunderkind" blitzing trough the motorsport world is very small.

Eventhough all this female drivers are very likely better drivers then me :)

Do you have any worthwhile evidence to support this incredibly sexist remark? No, you don't, jackass.
 
Ok, thanks for the clarification.

But talking about the highest forms of motorsports...

- No women was ever competetiv in F1. No female race driver in this world could match Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton in the same car.

- No women ever won at LeMans. No current female driver is good enough to steal a cockpit from someone like Lotterer.

- Im not so into NASCAR, but IIRC there hasn`t been a female race winner yet? Also, I doubt there is a female stock car driver who is good enough to beat Kyle Bush or Jeff Gordon.

What I want to say is... Because there are so few female race drivers out there, the chances of a female "Wunderkind" blitzing trough the motorsport world is very small.

Eventhough all this female drivers are very likely better drivers then me :)

Go speak to the following women and see how moronic you look.
#1 - Shirley Muldowney = 3 Time NHRA Top Fuel Champ. Known as the "First Lady" of drag racing. She was the first 3 time Top Fuel champ aswell, before any guy did.
#2 - Michelle Mouton = Won Pikes Peak, also the only woman to win a round of the WRC.
#3 - Danica Patrick = Only woman in history to win an IndyCar round.

I could add people like Janet Guthrie but those three get the point across quite well.
 
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