FITT M Power Challenge - Mystery Solved - Congratulations to the Winners

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ALB123
This is my first time acting as a test driver for a FITT Challenge, so please forgive me if you aren't completely pleased with my time or my short comments. I'm not a super fast driver. I gave 100% effort and attention to each car, except one that I was still waiting for a tune to be posted. I will do that last car as soon as possible. If any tuner feels dissatisfied with my best lap time for their tune, please remember that we all have different driving styles and what may feel awesome for you might feel not so great for me.

Having said that, I really tried to give a thoughtful Drivers Choice score. There might be some tunes that had quicker times but lower DC scores and vice-versa. If I was able to rip 2 really fast, but uncomfortable laps and had 8 slow, out of control, totally uncomfortable laps that tune will end up with a lower DC than a tune that wasn't quite as quick but felt great to drive and easy to duplicate incredibly consistent lap times, lap after lap. I think all the tuners did a great job. Certainly a lot better than I could ever hope to do and that's why I don't tune! :lol: Unfortunately, not every tune is going to be a perfect fit and I mean no disrespect to anyone's tuning efforts. Again, it could certainly be a driving style clash, not being able to get the best out of your car.

On to the results (in order of Tuner #):

Tuner #1 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:09.206
DC: 8.75
Comments: I found the braking to be a little weak which made braking inconsistent for me. The Gearbox is fine. The suspension felt good. For some reason, when driving these Chrome Line M3's, I feel like my times will be better than they are.

Tuner #2 - M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 02:08.580
DC: 9.25
Comments: Great transmission for this track! Easy to read the limits of the car. Power delivery is incredible. Brakes are smooth and firm. Predictable - you always know what the car is always going to do and that makes consistent, quick laps easy to accomplish.

Tuner #3 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 02:06.695
DC: 9.50
Comments: Excellent setup. A fast car that is just incredibly balanced. I really enjoyed the transmission for this track. I always felt like I was in the power band. I honestly couldn't find anything to seriously complain about. Occasionally I felt understeer, but I think it was because I was driving so damn fast. Probably my fault - not the car's.

Tuner #4 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 02:09.115
DC: 8.00
Comments: A fast car! But a little bit too dangerous for me. I felt like I was constantly on the edge and the slighest mistake would have me spinning off the track. There was lots of oversteer and flat out sliding on corner entry. I adjusted my braking points, to scrub speed sooner in more of a straight line and it helps keep the car planted, but hurts the lap time quite a bit.

Tuner #5 - 135i Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.671
DC: 8.50
Comments: I was looking forward to this car and the Tuner did not disappoint. I believe the transmission could be improved, however, as I felt 3rd & 4th gear were too long. The braking could probably be a little more friendly, but once I got used to it, I was able to keep the back end planted firmly. My first few laps were wrought with oversteer. It really felt like if I ONLY concentrated on being smooth, rather than fast, my lap times would improve.

Tuner #6 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.248
DC: 8.00
Comments: The car felt a little uncontrolled to me at times. Perhaps the better drivers like that "driving on the edge of a knife" feel, but I don't. 3rd gear was too long, I believe. What it does have going for it is I can tell this would be a much faster car than my time indicates, if I were to spend a day or two with it.

Tuner #7 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:08.165
DC: 8.00
Comments: This car was a little weird for me. The car felt/drove much heavier than it actually is. Also, the transmission just felt strange to me...gears too long perhaps. It's not slow by any means, but I was expecting it to be faster.

Tuner #8 – M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:09.866
DC: 8.50
Comments: The suspension felt really good, but the brakes could have used a little more bite. Another Chrome Line that feels faster than it was on the clock. Still, it's a fun car to drive because it's consistent. No surprises when I experienced a bit of oversteer. A very predictable drive, which I like.

Tuner #9 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: WITHDREW
DC: WITHDREW
Comments: WITHDREW

Tuner #10 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:08.843
DC: 8.75
Comments: The only real flaw I found was the car would occasionally understeer at times that I would never have predicted. Overall grip was really good. This car is a real pleasure to drive. The handling is sharp and allows you to recover easily from tiny mistakes.

Tuner #11 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:07.222
DC: 9.00
Comments: Almost flawless. It is very easy to drive this car fast. Balance is really good in this CSL. Brakes are great. The lack of weight allows you to just carry more speed into the turns.

Tuner #12 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: 2:08.964
DC: 8.25
Comments: I like the way this car feels. I have a feeling most won't. It drives like a Replica Tune (that's what I drive 95% of the time). But, having said that, it's leaving a LOT of time out on the track. A bit too much understeer. Transmission is setup wrong for this track.

Tuner #13 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:08.878
DC: 9.00
Comments: Excellent setup. Very easy to drive hard into turns. Power gets down almost flawlessly. There is a hint of understeer at times, but easy enough to tell where the limit is.

Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:06.705
DC: 9.00
Comments: Incredible tune. So easy to run consistent laps. Turn in is effortless. The transmission felt perfect - keeping me in the power band at all times. Suspension is stiff, but forgiving. I really like that. Excellent job!

Tuner #15 – M4 Performance
Lap Time: PENDING
DC: PENDING
Comments: PENDING

Tuner #16 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:08.920
DC: 7.75
Comments: I could not get comfortable with this car. I actually stopped my test session to double check brake settings. The entire car would slide like crazy when I was trying to trail brake. I did not like the transmission at all. There is speed in this car - but I couldn't control the car well enough to consistently find it.

Tuner #17 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 02:09.519
DC: 9.00
Comments: I really enjoyed this car. I just felt the weight held me back from a low time. The transmission felt great. Car is well balanced in turns. It feels smooth and precise. The brakes weren't perfect, but the handling and power delivery made up for any braking mistake.

Tuner #18 – M3 GTR
Lap Time: 02:09.431
DC: 7.50
Comments: The car is quick enough, but I never felt comfortable and planted. There was a lot of bouncing around. I couldn't find a good rhythm with this transmission either. I felt stuck between gears several times. This car will oversteer too easily.
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Good times and great feedback. Great to see some new blood, hope you stick around.

With regards to the other points being made, I still think it's all about the tune fitting the driver. Only I can drive the way I drive, so it stands to reason that I will be quickest in a tune that suits me, regardless of the lap time produced by the tuner.

The difference in wheel time vs DS3 time on GT5 was around 2 seconds (not counting aliens), for me, and I think it's roughly the same in GT6. Could this be the reason @Voodoovaj times are different.
 
@ALB123 results input.
Updated rankings.

GP/F Lap Time Podium
1 Tuner #3 2:06.685 +00.000
2 Tuner #11 2:6.855 +0.170
3 Tuner #14 2:07.129 +0.444
4 Tuner #7 2:7.5975 +0.912
5 Tuner #16 2:08.355 +1.670

Drivers Choice Podium
1 Tuner #3 9.65
2 Tuner #11 9.50
3 Tuner #2 9.48
4 Tuner #10 9.18
5 Tuner #14 9.05

Fastest Lap at GP/F
2:06.488; Tuner #11's tune Driven By @shaunm80
 
steefpeef
I agree with all of that and what you wrote earlier.

one thing could be interesting, to take the first cars you tested again and look how they perform now, after > 150 laps of experience on the track...

what setup did you use for the test?
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I drive with a Logitech Driving Force GT attached to a horribly flimsy folding table. It's not ideal, but it is what it is.

Actually, I thought about how it is a little unfair to the first couple of cars that I drive, so I came up with a plan. I randomly picked the order in which I was going to drive the cars before I tested anything. Then I drove the first two cars in my list back to back, about 5-6 laps each. I didn't count those laps - I just used them as a warm up. Those two cars were then moved to the bottom of my testing list.

I completed all testing in one day. It was a LONG day. At first, I was saving replays for all of the cars. After about three or four cars I started to save only the best lap replay. After driving each car I would input the best lap time into a crude Excel spreadsheet along with some notes and a D.C. score. Occasionally, when I needed a break I would re-watch the replay/best lap replay in my regular driving view to double-check if I missed anything like understeering or oversteering issues, or strange handling - something to refresh my memory.
 
ALB123
I drive with a Logitech Driving Force GT attached to a horribly flimsy folding table. It's not ideal, but it is what it is.

Actually, I thought about how it is a little unfair to the first couple of cars that I drive, so I came up with a plan. I randomly picked the order in which I was going to drive the cars before I tested anything. Then I drove the first two cars in my list back to back, about 5-6 laps each. I didn't count those laps - I just used them as a warm up. Those two cars were then moved to the bottom of my testing list.

I completed all testing in one day. It was a LONG day. At first, I was saving replays for all of the cars. After about three or four cars I started to save only the best lap replay. After driving each car I would input the best lap time into a crude Excel spreadsheet along with some notes and a D.C. score. Occasionally, when I needed a break I would re-watch the replay/best lap replay in my regular driving view to double-check if I missed anything like understeering or oversteering issues, or strange handling - something to refresh my memory.
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Thats very thorough. Not a bad system and a good way to get track knowledge before testing for official lap times. :)
 
ALB123
I drive with a Logitech Driving Force GT attached to a horribly flimsy folding table. It's not ideal, but it is what it is.

Actually, I thought about how it is a little unfair to the first couple of cars that I drive, so I came up with a plan. I randomly picked the order in which I was going to drive the cars before I tested anything. Then I drove the first two cars in my list back to back, about 5-6 laps each. I didn't count those laps - I just used them as a warm up. Those two cars were then moved to the bottom of my testing list.

I completed all testing in one day. It was a LONG day. At first, I was saving replays for all of the cars. After about three or four cars I started to save only the best lap replay. After driving each car I would input the best lap time into a crude Excel spreadsheet along with some notes and a D.C. score. Occasionally, when I needed a break I would re-watch the replay/best lap replay in my regular driving view to double-check if I missed anything like understeering or oversteering issues, or strange handling - something to refresh my memory.
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woow, i like your dedication and approach!

you know, the lap-times are one thing,
the feel of the car on the track another...

i took some of the tunes to the touring-car championship in a spec,
i think international b... you could run them again, judge them again and compare...
it takes 10 minutes per car... so another 3 hours hard work... with loading times
i tell you it is big fun actually racing them,
against idiots in touring-cars with racing tires...
 
steefpeef
woow, i like your dedication and approach!

you know, the lap-times are one thing,
the feel of the car on the track another...

i took some of the tunes to the touring-car championship in a spec,
i think international b... you could run them again, judge them again and compare...
it takes 10 minutes per car... so another 3 hours hard work... with loading times
i tell you it is big fun actually racing them,
against idiots in touring-cars with racing tires...
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thats one of the best ways to test a car IMO, if it can be fast when off line it will be really fast in line.
 
ALB123
This is my first time acting as a test driver for a FITT Challenge, so please forgive me if you aren't completely pleased with my time or my short comments. I'm not a super fast driver. I gave 100% effort and attention to each car, except one that I was still waiting for a tune to be posted. I will do that last car as soon as possible. If any tuner feels dissatisfied with my best lap time for their tune, please remember that we all have different driving styles and what may feel awesome for you might feel not so great for me.

Having said that, I really tried to give a thoughtful Drivers Choice score. There might be some tunes that had quicker times but lower DC scores and vice-versa. If I was able to rip 2 really fast, but uncomfortable laps and had 8 slow, out of control, totally uncomfortable laps that tune will end up with a lower DC than a tune that wasn't quite as quick but felt great to drive and easy to duplicate incredibly consistent lap times, lap after lap. I think all the tuners did a great job. Certainly a lot better than I could ever hope to do and that's why I don't tune! :lol: Unfortunately, not every tune is going to be a perfect fit and I mean no disrespect to anyone's tuning efforts. Again, it could certainly be a driving style clash, not being able to get the best out of your car.

On to the results (in order of Tuner #):

Tuner #1 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:09.206
DC: 8.75
Comments: I found the braking to be a little weak which made braking inconsistent for me. The Gearbox is fine. The suspension felt good. For some reason, when driving these Chrome Line M3's, I feel like my times will be better than they are.

Tuner #2 - M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 02:08.580
DC: 9.25
Comments: Great transmission for this track! Easy to read the limits of the car. Power delivery is incredible. Brakes are smooth and firm. Predictable - you always know what the car is always going to do and that makes consistent, quick laps easy to accomplish.

Tuner #3 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 02:06.695
DC: 9.50
Comments: Excellent setup. A fast car that is just incredibly balanced. I really enjoyed the transmission for this track. I always felt like I was in the power band. I honestly couldn't find anything to seriously complain about. Occasionally I felt understeer, but I think it was because I was driving so damn fast. Probably my fault - not the car's.

Tuner #4 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 02:09.115
DC: 8.00
Comments: A fast car! But a little bit too dangerous for me. I felt like I was constantly on the edge and the slighest mistake would have me spinning off the track. There was lots of oversteer and flat out sliding on corner entry. I adjusted my braking points, to scrub speed sooner in more of a straight line and it helps keep the car planted, but hurts the lap time quite a bit.

Tuner #5 - 135i Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.671
DC: 8.50
Comments: I was looking forward to this car and the Tuner did not disappoint. I believe the transmission could be improved, however, as I felt 3rd & 4th gear were too long. The braking could probably be a little more friendly, but once I got used to it, I was able to keep the back end planted firmly. My first few laps were wrought with oversteer. It really felt like if I ONLY concentrated on being smooth, rather than fast, my lap times would improve.

Tuner #6 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.248
DC: 8.00
Comments: The car felt a little uncontrolled to me at times. Perhaps the better drivers like that "driving on the edge of a knife" feel, but I don't. 3rd gear was too long, I believe. What it does have going for it is I can tell this would be a much faster car than my time indicates, if I were to spend a day or two with it.

Tuner #7 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:08.165
DC: 8.00
Comments: This car was a little weird for me. The car felt/drove much heavier than it actually is. Also, the transmission just felt strange to me...gears too long perhaps. It's not slow by any means, but I was expecting it to be faster.

Tuner #8 – M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:09.866
DC: 8.50
Comments: The suspension felt really good, but the brakes could have used a little more bite. Another Chrome Line that feels faster than it was on the clock. Still, it's a fun car to drive because it's consistent. No surprises when I experienced a bit of oversteer. A very predictable drive, which I like.

Tuner #9 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: WITHDREW
DC: WITHDREW
Comments: WITHDREW

Tuner #10 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:08.843
DC: 8.75
Comments: The only real flaw I found was the car would occasionally understeer at times that I would never have predicted. Overall grip was really good. This car is a real pleasure to drive. The handling is sharp and allows you to recover easily from tiny mistakes.

Tuner #11 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:07.222
DC: 9.00
Comments: Almost flawless. It is very easy to drive this car fast. Balance is really good in this CSL. Brakes are great. The lack of weight allows you to just carry more speed into the turns.

Tuner #12 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: 2:08.964
DC: 8.25
Comments: I like the way this car feels. I have a feeling most won't. It drives like a Replica Tune (that's what I drive 95% of the time). But, having said that, it's leaving a LOT of time out on the track. A bit too much understeer. Transmission is setup wrong for this track.

Tuner #13 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:08.878
DC: 9.00
Comments: Excellent setup. Very easy to drive hard into turns. Power gets down almost flawlessly. There is a hint of understeer at times, but easy enough to tell where the limit is.

Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:06.705
DC: 9.00
Comments: Incredible tune. So easy to run consistent laps. Turn in is effortless. The transmission felt perfect - keeping me in the power band at all times. Suspension is stiff, but forgiving. I really like that. Excellent job!

Tuner #15 – M4 Performance
Lap Time: PENDING
DC: PENDING
Comments: PENDING

Tuner #16 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:08.920
DC: 7.75
Comments: I could not get comfortable with this car. I actually stopped my test session to double check brake settings. The entire car would slide like crazy when I was trying to trail brake. I did not like the transmission at all. There is speed in this car - but I couldn't control the car well enough to consistently find it.

Tuner #17 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 02:09.519
DC: 9.00
Comments: I really enjoyed this car. I just felt the weight held me back from a low time. The transmission felt great. Car is well balanced in turns. It feels smooth and precise. The brakes weren't perfect, but the handling and power delivery made up for any braking mistake.

Tuner #18 – M3 GTR
Lap Time: 02:09.431
DC: 7.50
Comments: The car is quick enough, but I never felt comfortable and planted. There was a lot of bouncing around. I couldn't find a good rhythm with this transmission either. I felt stuck between gears several times. This car will oversteer too easily.
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Welcome great job. fantastic tunings should give pleasure to test. next event will try to expose my driver skills. Thank you.
 
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cars handle tuned versus how they are stock. By stock I mean stock suspension/aero/LSD with custom Power Parts +Tranny & Weight Loss (So Equal PP). Would give a more accurate idea of how the car really handles, versus how well a tuner did.
 
ugabugaz
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cars handle tuned versus how they are stock. By stock I mean stock suspension/aero/LSD with custom Power Parts +Tranny & Weight Loss (So Equal PP). Would give a more accurate idea of how the car really handles, versus how well a tuner did.
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Thats an interesting idea. Seen as you suggested it, would you like to give it a go? :sly:
 
ugabugaz
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cars handle tuned versus how they are stock. By stock I mean stock suspension/aero/LSD with custom Power Parts +Tranny & Weight Loss (So Equal PP). Would give a more accurate idea of how the car really handles, versus how well a tuner did.
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psst...

i think you revealed the mystery tuner
 
ugabugaz
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cars handle tuned versus how they are stock. By stock I mean stock suspension/aero/LSD with custom Power Parts +Tranny & Weight Loss (So Equal PP). Would give a more accurate idea of how the car really handles, versus how well a tuner did.
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great idea. to put more fuel to the fire that this two tire compounds in the same setup. already seen it at an event
 
ugabugaz
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cars handle tuned versus how they are stock. By stock I mean stock suspension/aero/LSD with custom Power Parts +Tranny & Weight Loss (So Equal PP). Would give a more accurate idea of how the car really handles, versus how well a tuner did.
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I'm not sure I understand the concept?
 
ugabugaz
I think it would be an interesting comparison to see how cars handle tuned versus how they are stock. By stock I mean stock suspension/aero/LSD with custom Power Parts +Tranny & Weight Loss (So Equal PP). Would give a more accurate idea of how the car really handles, versus how well a tuner did.
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That's how I used to do DC apply parts and weight drive 5 laps put the tune on and drive ten laps and rate starting at 5 and going up or down based on changes.
 
ALB123
I drive with a Logitech Driving Force GT attached to a horribly flimsy folding table. It's not ideal, but it is what it is.
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And? :lol: I have the mats to make a stand I just lack the time.
 
Otaliema
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And? :lol: I have the mats to make a stand I just lack the time.
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OMG, I used to have those same TV trays!

Bowtie-muscle
And these challenges really show that most of the time.

Are you on a wheel or ds3?
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I use a DS3. I like lounging on my sofa too much to make the shift to the wheel, plus I need to find a place that's out of the way, and that would require a whole new set up (PS3, TV, etc).

It might be interesting, after all of this, to have a challenge where the tuner sets a time and then the testers try to match. It might be a way to expand everyone's skill level in driving and tuning.

For instance, I find not many people realize that ABS 1 doesn't actually stop lockup. It just diminishes lock up. So, if you are on the brakes 100% at the apex, you will most likely push wide. Going 100% at the beginning of the braking process and easing up as you approach the corner, shortens braking distance significantly. I use this in Turtle League races all the time to avoid getting passed on corner entry, or to make a pass on corner entry. I get almost a car length less stopping distance.

The F40 is a great car to showcase this. It's stock brakes are essentially the racing brakes that other cars have, so when you upgrade the brakes, you push wide all over the place.

Maybe an event like this it could evolve into a group tune, like a crowd sourced tune.
 
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Voodoovaj
OMG, I used to have those same TV trays!



I use a DS3. I like lounging on my sofa too much to make the shift to the wheel, plus I need to find a place that's out of the way, and that would require a whole new set up (PS3, TV, etc).

It might be interesting, after all of this, to have a challenge where the tuner sets a time and then the testers try to match. It might be a way to expand everyone's skill level in driving and tuning.

For instance, I find not many people realize that ABS 1 doesn't actually stop lockup. It just diminishes lock up. So, if you are on the brakes 100% at the apex, you will most likely push wide. Going 100% at the beginning of the braking process and easing up as you approach the corner, shortens braking distance significantly. I use this in Turtle League races all the time to avoid getting passed on corner entry, or to make a pass on corner entry. I get almost a car length less stopping distance.

The F40 is a great car to showcase this. It's stock brakes are essentially the racing brakes that other cars have, so when you upgrade the brakes, you push wide all over the place.

Maybe an event like this it could evolve into a group tune, like a crowd sourced tune.
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well think it out and try to come up with rules for an event like that and post it in the main FITT thread.
 
FITT M Power Challenge Reviews By DaBomm4

All testing done at Nürburgring GP/F, with ABS 1, no other aids, grip set to real, DS3.

Tuner #1 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:09.973 DC: 7
Comments: This tune seems to understeer at the strangest times, my first few laps were fine, then I couldn't stay on the track at all, finally my last 2 laps were mostly ok again.

Tuner #2 - M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.669 DC: 8.5
Comments: Slow speeds suffer from understeer, rear can break loose if you try hard enough. Transmission feels a little short.

Tuner #3 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:08.568 DC: 9.0
Comments: Great acceleration out of the corners and on the straights, brakes also were very nice, I feel like I must not be attacking the corners right with this tune because it feels like it wants to go faster through the corners.

Tuner #4 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.459 DC: 7.5
Comments: The handling to weight shifting felt weird to me. The tune could benefit from more power rotation also.

Tuner #5 - 135i Coupe
Lap Time: 2:10.184 DC: 8.5
Comments: Some oversteer off-throttle and easy to spin the wheels up made this tune fun to throw around the track, drifting wise. Add some careful throttle control and it was easy to get a decent laptime out of it. It felt like the transmission was out of the powerband at the end of the long straights.

Tuner #6 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.335 DC: 8.0
Comments: Mild understeer, but nothing a little power oversteer can't solve.

Tuner #7 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:08.593 DC: 8.75
Comments: Great handling, very hard to break the rear tires loose. Transmission is unique, a little adjustments and I would like the whole tune better.

Tuner #8 – M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:10.184 DC: 7.5
Comments: The transmission doesn't feel quite right to the track for me, and it is easy to loose the rear end.

Tuner #9 – M4 Pace Car Edition
Lap Time: N/A DC: N/A
Comments: This was the smoothest ride of all of the cars, but the pit crew can only go so fast when there is no motor in the car. :sly: Life comes first. :bowdown:

Tuner #10 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.304 DC: 8.75
Comments: A little off-throttle understeer in slow corners, agressive cornering gets good rotation.

Tuner #11 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:09.305 DC: 8.5
Comments: Easy to get on the power early but will still break loose if you want to.

Tuner #12 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: 2:10.048 DC: 7.75
Comments: The whole car has some understeer and the little power oversteer I can achieve is not enough to rotate the car the way I like. A little more work on the front and I think it would rotate to my liking better.

Tuner #13 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:10.267 DC: 8.75
Comments: Easiest of the Chrome Line's to get use to, no real down sides to the tune.

Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:09.549 DC: 8.25
Comments: Feels really nice, slippery when you want it, control when you don't.

Tuner #15 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: DC:
Comments: Hmmm.

Tuner #16 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:10.433 DC: 8.0
Comments: Safe tune. To be fast with this tune, I found I had to throw the weight around and get the rear tires to break loose a little to get enough rotation. There is a little bit too much understeer for my taste.

Tuner #17 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:10.316 DC: 8.5
Comments: This tune was an odd one for me, if I tried to push for a good lap I would get understeer and/or power oversteer, if I tried to take the dog for a Sunday walk around the park, faster, cleaner laps.

Tuner #18 – M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:09.165 DC: 9.0
Comments: Feels very good, every once in a while I noticed a little understeer, but there is always power oversteer available to get you out of (or into) trouble.
 
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DaBomm4
FITT M Power Challenge Reviews By DaBomm4

All testing done at Nürburgring GP/F, with ABS 1, no other aids, grip set to real, DS3.

Tuner #1 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:09.973 DC: 7
Comments: This tune seems to understeer at the strangest times, my first few laps were fine, then I couldn't stay on the track at all, finally my last 2 laps were mostly ok again.

Tuner #2 - M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.669 DC: 8.5
Comments: Slow speeds suffer from understeer, rear can break loose if you try hard enough. Transmission feels a little short.

Tuner #3 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:08.568 DC: 9.0
Comments: Great acceleration out of the corners and on the straights, brakes also were very nice, I feel like I must not be attacking the corners right with this tune because it feels like it wants to go faster through the corners.

Tuner #4 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.459 DC: 7.5
Comments: The handling to weight shifting felt weird to me. The tune could benefit from more power rotation also.

Tuner #5 - 135i Coupe
Lap Time: 2:10.184 DC: 8.5
Comments: Some oversteer off-throttle and easy to spin the wheels up made this tune fun to throw around the track, drifting wise. Add some careful throttle control and it was easy to get a decent laptime out of it. It felt like the transmission was out of the powerband at the end of the long straights.

Tuner #6 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.335 DC: 8.0
Comments: Mild understeer, but nothing a little power oversteer can't solve.

Tuner #7 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:08.593 DC: 8.75
Comments: Great handling, very hard to break the rear tires loose. Transmission is unique, a little adjustments and I would like the whole tune better.

Tuner #8 – M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:10.184 DC: 7.5
Comments: The transmission doesn't feel quite right to the track for me, and it is easy to loose the rear end.

Tuner #9 – M4 Pace Car Edition
Lap Time: N/A DC: N/A
Comments: This was the smoothest ride of all of the cars, but the pit crew can only go so fast when there is no motor in the car. :sly: Life comes first. :bowdown:

Tuner #10 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.304 DC: 8.75
Comments: A little off-throttle understeer in slow corners, agressive cornering gets good rotation.

Tuner #11 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:09.305 DC: 8.5
Comments: Easy to get on the power early but will still break loose if you want to.

Tuner #12 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: 2:10.048 DC: 7.75
Comments: The whole car has some understeer and the little power oversteer I can achieve is not enough to rotate the car the way I like. A little more work on the front and I think it would rotate to my liking better.

Tuner #13 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:10.267 DC: 8.75
Comments: Easiest of the Chrome Line's to get use to, no real down sides to the tune.

Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 1:09.549 DC: 8.25
Comments: Feels really nice, slippery when you want it, control when you don't.

Tuner #15 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: DC:
Comments: Hmmm.

Tuner #16 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:10.433 DC: 8.0
Comments: Safe tune. To be fast with this tune, I found I had to throw the weight around and get the rear tires to break loose a little to get enough rotation. There is a little bit too much understeer for my taste.

Tuner #17 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:10.316 DC: 8.5
Comments: This tune was an odd one for me, if I tried to push for a good lap I would get understeer and/or power oversteer, if I tried to take the dog for a Sunday walk around the park, faster, cleaner laps.

Tuner #18 – M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:09.165 DC: 9.0
Comments: Feels very good, every once in a while I noticed a little understeer, but there is always power oversteer available to get you out of (or into) trouble.
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Thanks for the review. I am happy enough with your comments. Consistent times as well. :)
 
DaBomm4
FITT M Power Challenge Reviews By DaBomm4

All testing done at Nürburgring GP/F, with ABS 1, no other aids, grip set to real, DS3.

Tuner #1 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:09.973 DC: 7
Comments: This tune seems to understeer at the strangest times, my first few laps were fine, then I couldn't stay on the track at all, finally my last 2 laps were mostly ok again.

Tuner #2 - M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.669 DC: 8.5
Comments: Slow speeds suffer from understeer, rear can break loose if you try hard enough. Transmission feels a little short.

Tuner #3 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:08.568 DC: 9.0
Comments: Great acceleration out of the corners and on the straights, brakes also were very nice, I feel like I must not be attacking the corners right with this tune because it feels like it wants to go faster through the corners.

Tuner #4 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.459 DC: 7.5
Comments: The handling to weight shifting felt weird to me. The tune could benefit from more power rotation also.

Tuner #5 - 135i Coupe
Lap Time: 2:10.184 DC: 8.5
Comments: Some oversteer off-throttle and easy to spin the wheels up made this tune fun to throw around the track, drifting wise. Add some careful throttle control and it was easy to get a decent laptime out of it. It felt like the transmission was out of the powerband at the end of the long straights.

Tuner #6 – M3 '07
Lap Time: 2:09.335 DC: 8.0
Comments: Mild understeer, but nothing a little power oversteer can't solve.

Tuner #7 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:08.593 DC: 8.75
Comments: Great handling, very hard to break the rear tires loose. Transmission is unique, a little adjustments and I would like the whole tune better.

Tuner #8 – M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:10.184 DC: 7.5
Comments: The transmission doesn't feel quite right to the track for me, and it is easy to loose the rear end.

Tuner #9 – M4 Pace Car Edition
Lap Time: N/A DC: N/A
Comments: This was the smoothest ride of all of the cars, but the pit crew can only go so fast when there is no motor in the car. :sly: Life comes first. :bowdown:

Tuner #10 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:09.304 DC: 8.75
Comments: A little off-throttle understeer in slow corners, agressive cornering gets good rotation.

Tuner #11 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 2:09.305 DC: 8.5
Comments: Easy to get on the power early but will still break loose if you want to.

Tuner #12 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: 2:10.048 DC: 7.75
Comments: The whole car has some understeer and the little power oversteer I can achieve is not enough to rotate the car the way I like. A little more work on the front and I think it would rotate to my liking better.

Tuner #13 - M3 Chrome Line
Lap Time: 2:10.267 DC: 8.75
Comments: Easiest of the Chrome Line's to get use to, no real down sides to the tune.

Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 1:09.549 DC: 8.25
Comments: Feels really nice, slippery when you want it, control when you don't.

Tuner #15 – M4 Performance Edition
Lap Time: DC:
Comments: Hmmm.

Tuner #16 – M4 Coupe
Lap Time: 2:10.433 DC: 8.0
Comments: Safe tune. To be fast with this tune, I found I had to throw the weight around and get the rear tires to break loose a little to get enough rotation. There is a little bit too much understeer for my taste.

Tuner #17 - M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:10.316 DC: 8.5
Comments: This tune was an odd one for me, if I tried to push for a good lap I would get understeer and/or power oversteer, if I tried to take the dog for a Sunday walk around the park, faster, cleaner laps.

Tuner #18 – M3 GTR
Lap Time: 2:09.165 DC: 9.0
Comments: Feels very good, every once in a while I noticed a little understeer, but there is always power oversteer available to get you out of (or into) trouble.
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Thank for feedback. Glad you enjoyed it...or did you...

DaBomm4
Lap Time: N/A DC: N/A
Comments: This was the smoothest ride of all of the cars, but the pit crew can only go so fast when there is no motor in the car. :sly: Life comes first. :bowdown:
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It is a pace car maybe they are trying to slow the field down :lol:

DaBomm4
Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
Lap Time: 1:09.549 DC: 8.25
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Umm 2:09.549 right? I mean I've heard of a driver and tune getting along but wow :lol:
 

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