FITT M Power Challenge - Mystery Solved - Congratulations to the Winners

Discussion in 'GT6 Tuning' started by shaunm80, May 28, 2015.

  1. Otaliema

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    Great job with the testing. I will get them loaded in a bit. only have a little bit of playtime today so will do that then load this :tup:
    Great to hear you liked my car...Or did you??? time will tell.
     
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    Times input from @fordracer updated rankings.

    GP/F Lap Time Podium
    1 Tuner #3 2:07.158 +00.000
    2 Tuner #11 2:07.522 +0.365
    3 Tuner #7 2:07.886 +0.728
    4 Tuner #14 2:07.939 +0.782
    5 Tuner #18 2:08.529 +1.371

    Drivers Choice Podium
    1 Tuner #3 9.38
    2 Tuner #11 9.26
    3 Tuner #7 9.04
    4 Tuner #10 9.02
    5 Tuner #14 8.88

    Fastest Lap at GP/F
    2:05.895; Tuner #11's tune Driven By biffa3

    Most Consistent Dabomm4 1.865
    Fastest Average biffa3 127.637
     
  3. Voodoovaj

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    Since I am out of the running, could I reveal my tuner number? Given all the feedback, I think I found a tune exploit and I want to share it.
     
  4. Bowtie-muscle

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    Not just yet please. Only a few days left.
     
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  5. Otaliema

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    Reverse Rake, with funky dampers and zero camber with low toe settings?
    And yeah hold off till @shaunm80 or @Bowtie-muscle give the all clear to reveal. We haven't had any temper tantrums yet.
     
  6. Bowtie-muscle

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    Just want to give testers a fair shot at guessing who was who first.
     
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  7. Bowtie-muscle

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    On time, 1st and 2nd are pretty clear, they could swap but not likely. 3rd and 4th will fight for the final podium spot.

    DC is tighter. Again 1st and 2nd are fairly safe, but 3rd thru 7th are all close enough to move around. Maybe even 8th place could put up a fight.
     
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  8. Voodoovaj

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    Ok. I guess I don't have to reveal to pass it on.

    Pretty close. Not just the reverse rake, but a particular reverse rake. I'm not so sure about the other bits because "funky dampers" can make up for spring rate oddities. If you get the springs right, the damper setting are not that odd. Zero camber and low toe has never been something I found to be better. I found the opposite.

    So, what I have found is that setting the front ride height to the middle of the adjustable range and setting the rear to the minimum gave the best results. For a while now, the FF setups have been high in the front and squat in the rear. I didn't find it to be much of an advantage until I went to extremes. So, I got this huge time gain on FF's using this method. I not only found sharper and more accurate handling with more grip int he corners, I also got better acceleration and subsequently a higher top speed on the straights.

    So, I tried this approach on other cars. My tune for this competition went from a personal best of 2:07.433 to a 2.07.136 on the second lap of trying!

    I then went back and tried this on the Stratos, which we all know can be a wicked handling car. SAME RESULT! Better in the corners, better on acceleration, better speed.

    So, far, it really looks to me like this method (middle setting for front, minimum rear) is promising to be the fastest suspension set up for every car. Now, I was testing SS tires and using Bathurst because of it's unique layout, but I think this is something that will work pretty much anywhere.
     
  9. Bowtie-muscle

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    Interesting, good job with that.

    Now as far as your tune for this challenge, did you use your wizard settings?
     
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  10. Voodoovaj

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    I did. I wanted to see where it was so I can work on a new version :D
     
  11. DolHaus

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    The ride height essentially works as a grip modifier, the higher you go the more compliant and grippy the suspension will be. The trade off is decreased vertical stability and response so you are looking for the point where you are actively gaining grip without making the car sway about like a boat in a breeze. Because of the way GT handles roll-over physics (or rather doesn't) its very easy to exploit and there are very few disadvantages to using it compared to the more traditional way of increasing grip by softening the springs
     
  12. Bowtie-muscle

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    Well, you've read my review and got my thoughts. Two things I would try but can't give that out yet. But, if you look at some of the other tunes, think you might be able to pick them out ;)
     
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  13. macdog54

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    Hi guys, any room for another tester? I've been testing in the background as I didn't know if time would be on my side with this many cars and other things, but I've whittled them down a fair bit.
     
  14. shaunm80

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    We certainly have time for another tester. Let us know how your getting on this weekend and how much time you need to finish. :)

    DC is going to be very close between 3-7th looking at the data. I wouldn't put a bet on who will get the final podium spot right now. :)
     
  15. xande1959

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    fordracer welcome sir.
    optimal performance. Thank you for driving these machines from BMW:cheers::tup:
     
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    very good job in spreadsheets congratulate for their efficiency, thanks:bowdown:
     
  17. macdog54

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    Thanks, I've only got the CSL's left and a bit of paper work to be done, should have all done and posted within 36 hours.
     
  18. shaunm80

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    Your definitely on it then. :)

    @Otaliema - can you add macdog54 to the score sheet please? Thank you :)
     
  19. Otaliema

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    Thank you it's been a long term project but the sheet is stable and easy to read and informational

    Awesome welcome aboard
    Will do. Who was the other new tester I've lost them in the thread -_-
     
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  20. steefpeef

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    i am done with testing,
    i have valid lap-times and scores, no comments - sorry too difficult at this stage...
    i will post them tomorrow morning.

    I had trouble with the track,
    my lap-times where consistent but i was not able to rate the car's,
    so i took them to Silverstone, a track that i know well.
    That helped a lot, i will post these lap-times as well, just for statistical (or so ) reasons.
    I rated them there as well and did the final testing on nbr.
    I compared the rating of the two and felt more convinced about my ratings at nbr,
    so that helped me a lot...

    i am tempted to run them all again at Suzuka,
    another track i know well and rate them again,
    but that is overkill...

    have a good night (or morning),

    grts Steef.
     
  21. ugabugaz

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  24. Otaliema

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    Excellent sir I'll load the times in the morning.

    The fact you got them done is good enough comments are not required.
     
  25. Otaliema

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    @shaunm80 @Bowtie-muscle @Otaliema @chrisspeed281 @DolHaus @Brewguy44 @fordracer @DaBomm4 @MrGrado @787bcgr @xande1959 @ugabugaz @brian wolf @Voodoovaj @jblackrevo9 @sinof1337 @Motor City Hami @coryclifford

    Times input from @ugabugaz
    updated rankings

    GP/F Lap Time Podium
    1 Tuner #3 M3 GTR 2:06.766 +00.000
    2 Tuner #11 M3 CSL 2:07.124 +00.359
    3 Tuner #7 M3 CSL 2:07.471 +00.705
    4 Tuner #14 M3 CSL 2:07.572 +00.806
    5 Tuner #18 M3 GTR 2:08.121 +01.355

    Drivers Choice Podium
    1 Tuner #3 M3 GTR 9.35
    2 Tuner #11 M3 CSL 9.15
    3 Tuner #7 M3 CSL 8.96
    4 Tuner #2 M4 Coupe 8.88
    5 Tuner #10 M4 Coupe 8.87

    Fastest Lap at GP/F
    2:04.412; Tuner #3 M3 GTR's tune Driven By ugabugaz

    Most Consistent Dabomm4 1.865
    Fastest Average ugabugaz 126.226

    I got the computer tonight wasn't expecting that.

    Edited tuner ID's to include the car they tuned on the sheet for easier viewing.
    Barring any major lap time drops for Tuners 3 and 11 they Lap have time podium locked for 1 and 2, 3rd spot is still a fight one tester could shift them.
    Drivers choice is up in the air still with a total spread of 0.48 1-5th it's anyone's game there.
     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2015
  26. shaunm80

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    Thanks for the review. Really good lap times and consistency throughout. Thanks :)
     
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  27. steefpeef

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    here are my results:

    @shaunm80 @Bowtie-muscle @Otaliema @chrisspeed281 @DolHaus @Brewguy44 @fordracer @DaBomm4 @MrGrado @787bcgr @xande1959 @ugabugaz @brian wolf @Voodoovaj @jblackrevo9 @sinof1337 @Motor City Hami @coryclifford

    FITT M Power Challenge Reviews

    All testing done at Nürburgring GP/F. Grip set to real.

    Tuner #1 - M3 Chrome Line
    Lap Time: 2.09.911 DC: 8
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    Tuner #2 - M4 Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.12.231 DC: 8
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    Tuner #3 - M3 GTR
    Lap Time: 2.08.772 DC: 9
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    Tuner #4 – M3 '07
    Lap Time: 2.09.893 DC: 8
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    Tuner #5 - 135i Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.12.236 DC: 7
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    Tuner #6 – M3 '07
    Lap Time: 2.10.794 DC: 9
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    Tuner #7 - M3 CSL
    Lap Time: 2.09.544 DC: 9,5
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    Tuner #8 – M3 Chrome Line
    Lap Time: 2.11.549 DC: 8
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    Tuner #9 – M4 Performance Edition
    Lap Time: DC:
    Comments: No tune submitted - Too busy with life

    Tuner #10 – M4 Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.10.593 DC: 8
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    Tuner #11 - M3 CSL
    Lap Time: 2.08.814 DC: 9
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    Tuner #12 – M4 Performance Edition
    Lap Time: 2.11.106 DC: 7
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    Tuner #13 - M3 Chrome Line
    Lap Time: 2.10.724 DC: 9
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    Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
    Lap Time: 2.10.847 DC: 8
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    Tuner #15 – M4 Performance
    Lap Time: DC:
    Comments: No tune submitted

    Tuner #16 – M4 Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.12.239 DC: 7,5
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    Tuner #17 - M3 GTR
    Lap Time: 2.12.418 DC: 7
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    Tuner #18 – M3 GTR
    Lap Time: 2.10.548 DC: 9
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  28. shaunm80

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    Those times are consistent and respectable. Do you still want this test to be classed as an unofficial test?
     
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  29. steefpeef

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    Hello Shaun,

    I spent enough time with the tunes and i feel comfortable with the result, i am happy that it can be classed official. It was a long way for me, but at least i found my way. As i wrote before i had to do a bypass via Silverstone, after that it was fine.

    just for interest, here are my lap-times for Silverstone


    All testing done at Silverstone. Grip set to real.

    Tuner #1 - M3 Chrome Line
    Lap Time: 2.155

    Tuner #2 - M4 Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.151

    Tuner #3 - M3 GTR
    Lap Time: 2.128

    Tuner #4 – M3 '07
    Lap Time: 2.155

    Tuner #5 - 135i Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.167

    Tuner #6 – M3 '07
    Lap Time: 2.128

    Tuner #7 - M3 CSL
    Lap Time: 2.109

    Tuner #8 – M3 Chrome Line
    Lap Time: 2.144

    Tuner #10 – M4 Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.136

    Tuner #11 - M3 CSL
    Lap Time: 2.124

    Tuner #12 – M4 Performance Edition
    Lap Time: 2.145

    Tuner #13 - M3 Chrome Line
    Lap Time: 2.155

    Tuner #14 - M3 CSL
    Lap Time: 2.126

    Tuner #16 – M4 Coupe
    Lap Time: 2.138

    Tuner #17 - M3 GTR
    Lap Time: 2.153

    Tuner #18 – M3 GTR
    Lap Time: 2.129
     
  30. shaunm80

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    Thats cool. Thank you.

    I know that english is your second (or third?) language but if you feel comfortable breaking the tunes down into what was good and what was bad, that would be useful information for all the tuners, if your not, thats okay with me. The data you have given us already is perfectly fine for the competition.

    Thank you for doing these tests. :)
     
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