FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Astro-Racer]

They claim the game to have thousand cars, they write it on the back of the box as if all the cars were created equal.

Yes, there are over 1000 cars in GT5.

Just because they don't have as many polygons, does not mean that they are not cars. They only look poor when viewed up-close in photo mode.

A very weak argument.

 

[t.o.]

Yes, there are over 1000 cars in GT5.

Just because they don't have as many polygons, does not mean that they are not cars. They only look poor when viewed up-close in photo mode.

A very weak argument.

In my book, just as in real life, if you can't get IN the car then it AIN'T a car.
lol

 

[Vaxxtx]

In my book, just as in real life, if you can't get IN the car then it AIN'T a car.
lol

Correct.

Until they make a car that you need to bungie cord yourself onto a front bumper...

 

[Luminis]

Yes, there are over 1000 cars in GT5.

Just because they don't have as many polygons, does not mean that they are not cars. They only look poor when viewed up-close in photo mode.

A very weak argument.

So? In the very same commercial, they have shown nothing but premium cars.

If I was to sell you a bag of apples after showcasing you three perfectly fine apples, would you be content if 80% of the apples inside your bag were rotten?

I mean, they're still apples, right?

Also, standard cars only looking bad when viewed up close? I assume you're kidding, right?

 

[Astro-Racer]

Also, standard cars only looking bad when viewed up close? I assume you're kidding, right?

During actualy gameplay, they look very simlar to Premium cars. You never really get close enough to them to spot the low poly-count.

In fact, I'd put some of them on par with FM3 in-race models:

 

[Saidur_Ali]

In my book, just as in real life, if you can't get IN the car then it AIN'T a car.
lol

Wow Turn 10 managed to release two cars games with no cars .

 

[cuco33]

Yes, there are over 1000 cars in GT5.

Just because they don't have as many polygons, does not mean that they are not cars. They only look poor when viewed up-close in photo mode.

A very weak argument.

Actually many look poor when racing in game. I vividly remember driving a Lupo in the Lupo Cup, an A/Bspec career race, and seeing the major jagged edges of the rear hatch as I drove by. And driving my mk1 VW Rabbit GTI you still see the jagged last gen texture of the 'GOLF' rear license plate if you are in outside car view, and if you look behind and see the texture pasted on headlights, it's another glaringly obvious, in race mode that the quality of these cars show off. Some look great for standards, some look horrible. And let's not neglect the fact that there's no cockpit view at all for 80% of the cars in the game.

Also, many of those 1000 cars are duplicates. Many racing games do duplicates but none are as guilty as GT is.

 

[t.o.]

Wow Turn 10 managed to release two cars games with no cars .

Yes they did and had I been into the cockpit view and into racing games back then as I am now I would have been ragging on them for it.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Yes they did and had I been into the cockpit view and into racing games back then as I am now I would have been ragging on them for it.

I'm not too fussed about it and I still count Forza 2 to have cars and NFS games I've played too as well as previous GT games, even if games like Test Drive on Snes had cockpit view. Cockpit view is generally the view I use but I can drive in other views and I'm trying to learn how to drive using the view that all alien fast drivers seem to use in GT at the moment.

 

[PzR Slim]

During actualy gameplay, they look very simlar to Premium cars. You never really get close enough to them to spot the low poly-count.

Astro if you truly want to take part in this discussion, do your self a favour and actually start from a position you have some chance of defending. Look what happened last time you dipped your toes into this thread. Did you learn nothing from it? It is an indisputable fact that standard cars are a huge distance short of the premiums. If you are not prepared to accept that then there really is no point in discussing anything with you.

 

[James1436]

During actualy gameplay, they look very simlar to Premium cars. You never really get close enough to them to spot the low poly-count.

In fact, I'd put some of them on par with FM3 in-race models:

I am curious whether the "gameplay" model car is actually the players car. I think it is an AI or secondary players car. It is impossible to get that kind of camera angle on your own car without the use of photomode. In game, the players car has more details than that of an AI or secondary player, so this comparison might not be accurate.

 

[Luminis]

During actualy gameplay, they look very simlar to Premium cars. You never really get close enough to them to spot the low poly-count.

Did you play a different version of GT5 than me?

I do not need to be close to easily tell that from a premium car. Not in a small picture, let alone on my TV screen in a race. Here's a bigger one, by the way.

But, as they say, love makes blind, no?

In fact, I'd put some of them on par with FM3 in-race AI models:

FTFY.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Did you play a different version of GT5 than me?

I do not need to be close to easily tell that from a premium car. Not in a small picture, let alone on my TV screen in a race. Here's a bigger one, by the way.

But, as they say, love makes blind, no?

FTFY.

I noticed a lot of Forza players use the, you must be playing a different version of the game statement if their opinion differs. Even YouTube videos proving the game is like that, people say well not in my copy of the game such as I when I said the game had active steering permanently enabled and that made the game ridiculously easy to drive such as on the grass. Shame they are not going to patch Forza 3 with a simulation mode .

Are you trying to pass off a GT4 picture as GT5? Maybe you are playing the different version of GT5, that is GT4 . Some standard cars in the game look quite bad close up but some of them are derived from premium models so look very good.

 

[Luminis]

Are you trying to pass off a GT4 picture as GT5? Maybe you are playing the different version of GT5, that is GT4 . Some standard cars in the game look quite bad close up but some of them are derived from premium models so look very good.

My bad, the Silvia came up when I seafched for GT5 standard cars. It does, however, look better than the Lupo Cup Car shot I've linked in the post you quoted (which did come from GT5).

But, if you want me to, I could link more standard cars.

Anyways, I guess I'll be ready to hit the track after changing the wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-does not compute.
Oh well, I'll just switch into cockpiviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-does not compute.

Dang, my keyboard must be broken.

Just for the hell of it:

Fun fact: I don't need to rely on GT4 pictures to make standard cars look bad. PD took care of that already. Oh, and pretty darn hard to distinguish that from a premium, is it?

 

[VXR]

The infamous Mini pic of Forza is definitely not the player's car. i filmed the intro ages ago and at no point does the car switch to that low LoD model if it's the player's car.

And I know how they got that image. Start race with you in Mini, take sreengrab of intro cinematic. Now do a race with another car against the red Mini, go to photomode and take an off-screen grab (heck, it could be from photomode and uploaded given the lower LoD used for non-player cars) and switch focus from the Mini to another car, but reposition the camera on the Mini. Et voila, you have this shot.

 

[cuco33]

During actualy gameplay, they look very simlar to Premium cars. You never really get close enough to them to spot the low poly-count.

In fact, I'd put some of them on par with FM3 in-race models:

No they don't. Here's 2 examples, 1 of which is a Lupo only event in career. This is what you see as you drive by these cars:

mk1 Rabbit GTI:

Lupo Cup car:

And we all know how good the premiums look when you drive by them...

 

[ItsHim]

Correct.

Until they make a car that you need to bungie cord yourself onto a front bumper...

In fact 'bumper' cam is the same in GT as cockpit view save the, erm, the cockpit.

I prefer the cockpit view by a mile for sheer immersion, but for going full attack mode there's only 'bumper' cam. Saves a few tenths.

 

[Spagetti69]

In fact 'bumper' cam is the same in GT as cockpit view save the, erm, the cockpit.

I didn't know that. I thought the view was lower to the ground.

In a premium cockpit, when switched to bumper the cockpit just disappears then. Easily checked I suppose.

I prefer cockpit too for immersion reasons.

 

[TT3AZ]

Well i like gt5 because it has huge variety of car models and good physics, but the lack of proper drag racing (offline and online) it misses a huge feature. FM4 on the other hand will have real drag racing and drag compound tires, the question is only how realistic this would be. I both have xbox 360 and ps3 and i both play gt5 and forza. FM3 had drag racing, but it was a joke, and indeed FM3 was a glitchy and downgraded game.

 

[Nooboogering]

Some of the posts in 'ere are childish. As if Forza 3 is perfect. I have Forza 3 and GT5 and Forza 3 doesn't look as good as GT5 and some of the cars are poorly designed. Forza fanboys are going over things they have said before in this thread and then go over it again.

 

[Northstar]

Some of the posts in 'ere are childish. As if Forza 3 is perfect. I have Forza 3 and GT5 and Forza 3 doesn't look as good as GT5 and some of the cars are poorly designed. Forza fanboys are going over things they have said before in this thread and then go over it again.

1) The worst model in FM3 easily beats the worst one in GT5(guessing it's probably the Proto Motors Spirra or the NOMAD Diablo(which is probably a GT3 model)).

2) Both sides have basically been going in circles with arguments for over 3,000 posts. There is no more guilty party, frankly threads like this make both games look like trash as people always focus on the negatives of the other game instead of the positive of the games.

 

[TT3AZ]

Some of the posts in 'ere are childish. As if Forza 3 is perfect. I have Forza 3 and GT5 and Forza 3 doesn't look as good as GT5 and some of the cars are poorly designed. Forza fanboys are going over things they have said before in this thread and then go over it again.

Its not about fanboynism, its about what people think. As you can see many people have both gt5 and forza, so theres hardly any beef going on. But i do consider fm3 to be a broken game, same with gt5. They miss many features that exister in previous games, funny uh?

 

[TT3AZ]

1) The worst model in FM3 easily beats the worst one in GT5(guessing it's probably the Proto Motors Spirra or the NOMAD Diablo(which is probably a GT3 model)).

2) Both sides have basically been going in circles with arguments for over 3,000 posts. There is no more guilty party, frankly threads like this make both games look like trash as people always focus on the negatives of the other game instead of the positive of the games.

Well, the negative things in fm3 and gt5 were serious enough to bogg peoples minds...

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

Some of the posts in 'ere are childish. As if Forza 3 is perfect. I have Forza 3 and GT5 and Forza 3 doesn't look as good as GT5 and some of the cars are poorly designed. Forza fanboys are going over things they have said before in this thread and then go over it again.

Now, I agree that some of this thread is childish and petty, but you really need to qualify that statement with a "sometimes" or "can look" because let's face it, FM3 NEVER looks as bad as that picture that was taken in GT5. Doesn't happen. Ever. And yet GT5 can look like that. All. The. Time.
Granted, GT5 can also look like this:

And FM3 never looks that good. Ever.
No one disputes that GT5 is capable of looking better, because it is. But to ignore how absolutely terrible it looks a lot of the time and claiming that "Forza 3 doesn't look as good as GT5" as a blanket statement is pretty weak.

No one is saying that FM3 is perfect. It has its share of issues just as any other game does. And let's face it, as fans of a game, people are willing to overlook issues because they like the game enough that they don't care about the issues. But ask yourself this:
Who is overlooking more issues? A GT5 fan, or a Forza fan?

 

[Sphinx]

Some of the posts in 'ere are childish. As if Forza 3 is perfect. I have Forza 3 and GT5 and Forza 3 doesn't look as good as GT5 and some of the cars are poorly designed. Forza fanboys are going over things they have said before in this thread and then go over it again.

At least they have taken the time to read the OP.

How about you do the same?

OK I am creating this in the hope that by providing an area for discussion of the merits of both series it will help stop these discussion occurring in other threads and dragging them off-topic.

However some clear ground rule will be put in place.

The first and most obvious regards the AUP. Every single post will be expected to follow the AUP, any AUP violations will result in action being taken by the staff.

However I want to clarify a few points in this regard:

• The term 'fanboy' (including any and all derivations) is banned

 

[PzR Slim]

Some of the posts in 'ere are childish. As if Forza 3 is perfect. I have Forza 3 and GT5 and Forza 3 doesn't look as good as GT5 and some of the cars are poorly designed. Forza fanboys are going over things they have said before in this thread and then go over it again.

Fans of both games are repeating the same thing over and over. Forza 3 is not perfect, they borked the lobbies, made AWD far too dominant, there are glitches when painting cars, etc. Plenty of problems with it. In some instances FM doesn't look as good as GT, but for 80% of the cars GT5 doesn't even come close to looking as good as FM3.

Anyone who says either game doesn't have problems is deluded and can be discounted. This discussion is about discussing the positive and negative aspects of both games and telling people why you have a preference for which game.

 

[vandaliser]

One thing i find amusing in this thread is how FM fans desperately try and convince themselves about how hard is to get to the good parts of GT. The jewel under the crap in their own words. Really funny to be honest. I suspect they have been reading one too many polemics.

Kinda like the standard cars issue, which makes no difference to the grand scheme of things because forza is still behind Gran turismo when it comes car modelling and lighting. Yes where it matters. On the track. Not in some part of the game where you get to hear jezza drone about cars. You compare a track like the ring between both games and you see the difference between the skills of both developers. You can actually also see which studio head races on the ring and which doesn't.

Some might say that it all to do with hardware difference. But i disagree. Apart from storage capacity both consoles are relatively equal. Both have strengths and weaknesses

 

[Luminis]

Who is overlooking more issues? A GT5 fan, or a Forza fan?

The correct question, I think, would be "how many flaws can you overlook?"

If the answer is >9000, you'd qualify for GT5. If not... Well...

And before someone decides to go at my throad over this: It's a joke, not to be taken seriously.

One thing i find amusing in this thread is how FM fans desperately try and convince themselves about how hard is to get to the good parts of GT. The jewel under the crap in their own words. Really funny to be honest. I suspect they have been reading one too many polemics.

I wonder what the GT crowd is doing in the FM subforum, talking smack about a game they seem to have little interest in, though.

You never know.

As for the rest of your post, I don't feel like biting this time. Someone else might. I've recited the same "every good thing in GT5 comes with a downside too" often enough that I grew tired of doing it yet again.

What I'll do instead is give an analogy:
GT5 is like a fine restaurant that specialises in vegetables. Their vegetables are near perfect. However, their fish and chicken is mediocre and their pork and beef is pretty horrible.
FM is a place where you can get decent vegetables, decent chicken, fish, pork and beef. Nothing of the same high quality as the vegetables in the GT Restaurant, but I can at least get some variety that still tastes decent.

So, I, as a few others, it seems, claim that we're sick of eating nothing but vegetables for months on end and am going bag to get our hands on some beef, pork, chicken andd fish. And the response to that is - eat more of GT's vegetables, they're the best! Yeah, I guess we all know that, but I'm so sick of not having any sort of good meat! More vegetables won't solve my hungering after a good steak.

Oh, and then, there's the vegetarians who come here with an attitude like "lol meat, vegetables are the only things that matter!"

 

[Spagetti69]

Anyone who owns both consoles is going to buy both.

As for FM fans or GT fans for that matter, that's rubbish.
They are fans of the Genre, not the marque or developer.

If you own both consoles and stick with one title due to blind faith then you need your head looked at.

When competition between studios exist the winner is the consumer.
Just need PD to try to keep ip with the competition and drop the Kaz's vision nonsense.

IMHO.

 

[TT3AZ]

Anyone who owns both consoles is going to buy both.

As for FM fans or GT fans for that matter, that's rubbish.
They are fans of the Genre, not the marque or developer.

If you own both consoles and stick with one title due to blind faith then you need your head looked at.

When competition between studios exist the winner is the consumer.
Just need PD to try to keep ip with the competition and drop the Kaz's vision nonsense.

IMHO.

Very wise words, and yes you can own both games still givning them critique, i criticize gt5 and forza series all the time, so what? Does that mean i should be playing need for speed instead.