Ford Mustang Thread: 2011 General Talk

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Was gonna say something about drivetrain losses and dynos... but what really matters is how it compares to the Camaro SS on the same dyno... and if this is the same 'Jet they used for the Camaro, this car is putting out about 25 hp more than the 426hp SS. Part of that is due to the lower drivetrain losses... and part of it is due to the fact that forced induction motors always seem to do better in real-world testing than their rated numbers indicate (have to do with how SAE corrections are applied) but facts are... it's stronger at the wheels... which is where it all counts.
 
As much as I love the Z, this is my next car. (Assuming my Volvo actually lasts me long enough for me to save that kind of dough.)

Apparently there is some discussion as to whether or not this run was done in the right gear? I have no idea if there is any validity in that or not. And the fact remains...that is a helluva lotta power.
 
niky
Was gonna say something about drivetrain losses and dynos... but what really matters is how it compares to the Camaro SS on the same dyno... and if this is the same 'Jet they used for the Camaro, this car is putting out about 25 hp more than the 426hp SS. Part of that is due to the lower drivetrain losses... and part of it is due to the fact that forced induction motors always seem to do better in real-world testing than their rated numbers indicate (have to do with how SAE corrections are applied) but facts are... it's stronger at the wheels... which is where it all counts.
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Umm... This is a suck-air 5 liter, so the bit about forced induction motors is pointless.

:D Poor Camaro.
 
Bones Brigade
As much as I love the Z, this is my next car. (Assuming my Volvo actually lasts me long enough for me to save that kind of dough.)

Apparently there is some discussion as to whether or not this run was done in the right gear? I have no idea if there is any validity in that or not. And the fact remains...that is a helluva lotta power.
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Seriously, its hard to argue about that much power. :drool: Plus it will be reliable, get reasonable MPG and most importantly a 5.0 badge. :D

My only complaint, and it is a small one, is this GT is 150~200lbs or so heavier than the '05-09 GT.
 
:bowdown: to the 4-valve 5.0. If Edmunds numbers are anything to go by, I would say the new engine is producing a solid 450hp :drool:

JCE
My only complaint, and it is a small one, is this GT is 150~200lbs or so heavier than the '05-09 GT.
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Rotary Junkie
So the '10 model is about 135-185lbs heavier than '05-'09? o.O
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Read this: http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2009/12/full-specs-on-the-2011-ford-mustang-gt-50.html

or

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_Mustang_GT_Specs.pdf

The 2011 GT (3605 lbs) is only about 30lbs heavier than the 2010 GT (3572 lbs). It's also worth mentioning that the S197 GT has gradually increased in weight every two years or so, with the 05 GT weighing in at 3483 lbs.
 
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Rotary Junkie
Umm... This is a suck-air 5 liter, so the bit about forced induction motors is pointless.

:D Poor Camaro.
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My bad... I was looking at the post and I was thinking about the upcoming Shelby.

The fact that it's a naturally aspirated mill makes the performance absolutely amazing, actually.
 
timeattack07gt
:bowdown: to the 4-valve 5.0. If Edmunds numbers are anything to go by, I would say the new engine is producing a solid 450hp :drool:





Read this: http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2009/12/full-specs-on-the-2011-ford-mustang-gt-50.html

or

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_Mustang_GT_Specs.pdf

The 2011 GT (3605 lbs) is only about 30lbs heavier than the 2010 GT (3572 lbs). It's also worth mentioning that the S197 GT has gradually increased in weight every two years or so, with the 05 GT weighing in at 3483 lbs.
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I googled up the curb weights and came up with the '11 being 3800 and the '09 3600 lbs. I could be wrong.
 
3800lbs? That's nearly up to the 2007 GT500...Without the iron motor, supercharger, etc.!
 
I'd hope so. Otherwise it doesn't look nearly as good stacked up against the competition.
 
That doesn't sound right.

I was reading some magazine (Motortrend or C&D) recently that had a comparo with a
'10 GT in it and it weighed just over 3500lbs. And if I remember, the 'vert is within 100lbs of the coupe.
 
Heh. I think this is the future of V8s...none below 400 HP. Or 400 lb-ft, if it's in a truck.
 
For some reason I want to see a small-ish displacement V8, say 3.5L making ~300HP. And it would preferably be OHV. But I'm guessing that's not such a good idea, since well there aren't any out there now.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
For some reason I want to see a small-ish displacement V8, say 3.5L making ~300HP. And it would preferably be OHV. But I'm guessing that's not such a good idea, since well there aren't any out there now.
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Why? V6s do that.
 
Bones Brigade
Just read through the specs...and it wears 235s! (Only 255's optional.) So much for this being faster than a Camaro.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sure...

Even with a less wide tire by only millimeters the less weight the Mustang hauls around sill will have it eat the Camaro's lunch.
 
You don't need overly wide tides to be fast, you just need sticky tires. 235's aren't that small, and 255's are fairly beefy too.
 
Friction does not matter about the surface area...However, how hot the tires get does. That's why race car tires are wide...If heat didn't matter, they'd be narrow and still get the same traction.

Weird, I know.
 
JCE
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sure...

Even with a less wide tire by only millimeters the less weight the Mustang hauls around sill will have it eat the Camaro's lunch.
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The Camaro is a more balanced chassis as well, proven time and again.

Omnis
Uh, because a V6 is more compact, has fewer moving parts, and can be mounted for front and rear drive applications.
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And a pushrod V8 would have a lower centre of gravity and quite possibly lower weight.
 
Paulie
The Camaro is a more balanced chassis as well, proven time and again.
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Based on what? If you say IRS I'm going to just not bother reading the rest of the response. The Camaro is hundreds of pounds heavier than the Mustang and doesn't pull a better lateral G or in this case the power numbers that the GT does.

For now I'll use Motor Trend (who I don't like actually) with some numbers of the current less powerful '10 GT versus the SS Camaro.

**2010 Camaro

0-60 mph - 4.7 seconds

1/4 Mile - 13.0@111 mph

Lateral Acceleration -0.90 g

Figure-8 course - 25.8@0.80 g

Braking - 60-0 mph -105 feet

**2010 Mustang

0-60 mph - 4.9 seconds

1/4 Mile -13.5@104.2 mph

Lateral Acceleration - 0.95 g

Figure-8 course -25.5 g @0.70 g

Braking - 60-0 mph - 108 feet
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Now add a HUGH amount more power and LOGIC dictates that the '11 GT will WIPE THE FLOOR with the SS Camaro is about every category. Those numbers for the '10 GT are with 100bhp or more less than the incoming '11 model.
 
Based on Motor Magazine, both the HSV GTS and Chevy Camaro are far more well sorted chassis' dynamically than the Mustang presently has, the prime reason why a 325kw 1800kg sedan can lap a 1min lap-time circuit 2sec faster than the 375+kw Shelby GT500. They described the Mustang as primitive in comparison. But I know you're not listening anyway.

Edit: While I'm at it, the fact the Camaro is THAT MUCH heavier than the current Mustang is, just look, the Camaro has beaten your precious Ford product in average lateral G's when directional changes are taken into account on the figure 8, and I remind you, the 2011 5.0L is getting slightly heavier. Also, 1635kg vs 1750kg for the Camaro is not much difference for a better chassis, better weight balance and better suspension to make up. I'm not saying the Camaro will be faster on track (it will obviously lose in drag racing), but the way you're making it out to be, geez. And you're telling ME to use logic?:lol: You need to look at the whole picture.
 
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Omnis
Uh, because a V6 is more compact, has fewer moving parts, and can be mounted for front and rear drive applications.
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I figured the size would be about the same. Why wouldn't it work for front wheel drive? I wouldn't want that much power going to the front anyway.

Yeah, I don't know. I was just saying that I wouldn't mind a low displacement V8 in say a Mustang. And I wouldn't have to deal with the stigma of the V6.
 
Paulie
Based on Motor Magazine, both the HSV GTS and Chevy Camaro are far more well sorted chassis' dynamically than the Mustang presently has, the prime reason why a 325kw 1800kg sedan can lap a 1min lap-time circuit 2sec faster than the 375+kw Shelby GT500. They described the Mustang as primitive in comparison. But I know you're not listening anyway.
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The GT500 is not a valid comparison based upon price and the engine. An iron 5.4L V8 is much different than the 4.6L aluminum V8 in the GT. A Mustang GT is a same trim model competitor to the SS Camaro. The GT500 is meant to take on the Corvette and Viper.

and I remind you, the 2011 5.0L is getting slightly heavier. Also, 1635kg vs 1750kg for the Camaro is not much difference for a better chassis, better weight balance and better suspension to make up. I'm not saying the Camaro will be faster on track (it will obviously lose in drag racing), but the way you're making it out to be, geez. And you're telling ME to use logic?:lol: You need to look at the whole picture.
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3,597lbs vs 3,861lbs is a big difference for the current models but the new model is only a tiny bit heavier. In fact according to Ford's own document the new '11 GT with a 6spd manual weighs in at 3,605lbs. Even still, that kind of a weight difference that's a rather large adult male as a passenger. How many tenths of a second is lost to that extra 256lbs? The numbers just don't backup your argument. A good chassis the Camaro may have but with all that weight it is just ruined. Plus, I think you're in the camp of people that are still dismissing and underrating the Mustang as a good handling car which time after time it proves to be. The GT even in its current form competes quite nicely with the Nissan Z--doesn't beat it but gives it more of a stiff competition than the Camaro. The only one of these RWD coupes that the Camaro beats is the Challenger and possibly the Genesis (but I need to see the numbers before I make that claim). Lets wait patiently for the '11 Camaro SS vs '11 Mustang GT comparo and we will see what's what. :D
 

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