Forza 4 VS GT5 (read the first post before you contribute)

[artboy76]

OK back to basics as the thread is a v's thing:

GT5 V's Forza 4...... graphics..... Forza

one nil.

Tuinning...... Forza

2 nil

Paint shop options.... Forza

3 nil

Physics..... Draw (further more Forza (as should GT5) should be judged physics wise against real life....not against GT5's physics, why people judge against another game for physics is beyond me...)

4-1 so far...

general design i.e. menus etc ....Forza (just looks smarter)

single player game....Forza. (event list is sublime, makes you own a whole host of cars you never thought of and can be stretched out futher with AI having upgrades etc...amazing)

6-1 to forza... still reading? good..

online including storefront, auction house etc....... Forza

community..... forza

developer support... forza again.... for all the grief they get Turn 10 do get things done... they honestly do...see DLC

DLC......forza


so a white wash for me personally....i honestly see it as such...theres no point in me lying about it, its just the way i feel.... i'll say its all close and GT5 has given me some pleasures, but that to me above sums it up in the V's debate.

I'm happy, i love Forza and nothing will ever change that, least of all someone trying to convince me otherwise...

So this is about like for like, GT5 v's Forza 4.............. Forza wins, i win as a consumer. That's all we have to do, we don't have to try to convince people the like something..

Lets face it if i didn't like Forza as much as i do then i'd not be on Forza Planet.....

(p.s. the AUP, what if your dyslexic? even with spell checks etc it can be hard when busily typing....its a forum for a computer game not school.... just a thought)

 

[buickgnx88]

Please don't start with the "it's not school/an essay/grammar class" rhetoric. All the AUP is asking is for you (general "you") to write coherently, and spell and use grammar to the best of your abilities. Since there are people from other countries or that speak other languages who use the site, it is preferable to type so they would have an easier chance of understanding you. You spell just fine, just use less periods and ellipses.

 

[zr1chris]

If anyone bought a console JUST for a racing game, then they are missing out on a lot. I got more than my moneys worth out of my PS3.

It wasn't the only reason but it was definitely one of the main reasons I bought my PS3. The other reasons were a knew more people with PS3's that I knew I would play online with and MLB The Show is a PS only title and is WAY better than 2K. ( I also occasionally use the bluray player to watch movies) That being said it the PS3 is now the system I use the most mainly because there is a few people that I personally know that have the PS3 and don't play xbox. My 360 mine as well be called the Forzabox since that is the only game I play on it.

 

[t.o.]

It wasn't the only reason but it was definitely one of the main reasons I bought my PS3. The other reasons were a knew more people with PS3's that I knew I would play online with and MLB The Show is a PS only title and is WAY better than 2K. ( I also occasionally use the bluray player to watch movies) That being said it the PS3 is now the system I use the most mainly because there is a few people that I personally know that have the PS3 and don't play xbox. My 360 mine as well be called the Forzabox since that is the only game I play on it.

See for you at least you have the Forzabox. All I have is the "Netflix/GT5 once a year Christmas music"box.

 

[artboy76]

Please don't start with the "it's not school/an essay/grammar class" rhetoric. All the AUP is asking is for you (general "you") to write coherently, and spell and use grammar to the best of your abilities. Since there are people from other countries or that speak other languages who use the site, it is preferable to type so they would have an easier chance of understanding you. You spell just fine, just use less periods and ellipses.

OK, no worries. Just wondered.

 

[ImaRobot]

OK back to basics as the thread is a v's thing:

GT5 V's Forza 4...... graphics..... Forza

If PD took out all the standard cars, then i think it would be pretty even or i dare say, GT5 would have the edge. judging by photomodes for both games, i would like to think GT5 looked really clear (i havnt played the game in almost a year though so its hard for me to recall)

 

[Luminis]

I learned this from the whole ordeal. Believe NOTHING Sony says when it comes to their playstation and gran turismo.

But, well, it's all marketing, I guess. Still, I think you are right, though.

If anyone bought a console JUST for a racing game, then they are missing out on a lot. I got more than my moneys worth out of my PS3.

While this is kinda true, it's a bit more complex than that, in my opinion.

Me, for example, I bought the PS3 in preperation for GT5. Maybe not the wisest decision to buy a console without testing the game in question beforehand, but hindsight is always 20/20. Anyways, thing is, even though there were some exclusive games that I enjoyed on the PS3, I wouldn't ever have dreamed of shelling out the 400€ for the console to play Metal Gear Solid 4 and God of War 3, just about the only exclusive PS3 titles I was interested in besides GT5. Not intereted enough to buy the console, though.

So, it indeed was GT5 that caused me to buy a PS3. Was it the only game I was interested in? No. Would I have bought a PS3 to play GT5, MGS4 and GoW3, had I known what to expect? No.

Why is that, though? Well, simply put, because the games I've been enjoying the most were all multi platform titles. GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, Tekken, Street Fighter, Rayman Origins, Dark Souls, Devil May Cry, you name it. So many great games that didn't require me to have a PS3, so I could've spend the money on some nice games, or a very nice steering wheel for the 360.

Some guy posted on Youtube sayng that Forza Fans are agressive and are always bashing GT5. Is that true

I guess both games have some rather agressive fans. Entirely depends on who you are talking too, I think.

I've heard a lot of people say this, and I agree to some point. However the fact the Wii-U is coming out this year could very well force both Microsoft and Sony's hand.

We'll see about that, I suppose. Right now, I'd think that some more peripheral equipment could keep them in the game for a while longer, while preparing their products as needed.

Plus, playing both GT5 and Forza 4 you can tell there isn't much further they can push their respective consoles.

Yeah, consoles are at their limits, right now, that's for sure, I think. There have been a lot of sacrifices made in both GT5 and FM4, and it's easy to guess why.

On the other hand, I do expect MS to introduce the next Xbox at E³ 2012. I have a feeling that Sony will be showing off the PS4 a year later, though.

If PD took out all the standard cars, then i think it would be pretty even or i dare say, GT5 would have the edge. judging by photomodes for both games, i would like to think GT5 looked really clear (i havnt played the game in almost a year though so its hard for me to recall)

GT5, in my opinion, always looked better in screenshots. In motion, on the track, though, I'd say FM4 does it a bit better, as far as graphics go.

There are the performance issues, which, while improved, are still appearent. To me, at least. There are still the flickering shadows and the blocky smoke and, on some of the tracks, the track detail is pretty lacking. Most of that can be avoided in photo mode, or isn't visible there, either way.

The biggest benefit of removing the standard cars, in my opinion, would have been a likely different car list. I doubt PD would've given us the same cars, hadn't they had the possibility to use the standard cars to fill in for those missing premium cars.

 

[artboy76]

If PD took out all the standard cars, then i think it would be pretty even or i dare say, GT5 would have the edge. judging by photomodes for both games, i would like to think GT5 looked really clear (i havnt played the game in almost a year though so its hard for me to recall)

Exactly, but sadly the standard cars are there. You could never award GT5 as a whole anything graphics wise cause of them. Hopefully though Kaz has learnt the lesson from stuff I've been hearing recently....

Is no good having a "but the prem cars are awesome " or "take away the standard cars and GT5 beats forza", cause they are, like an ugly Twin.... always there....

 

[Scaff]

(p.s. the AUP, what if your dyslexic? even with spell checks etc it can be hard when busily typing....its a forum for a computer game not school.... just a thought)

Are you seriously looking to test the staff's patience or just want a quick and easy way off the site?

The AUP is not optional (and doesn't actually mention a thing about spelling - actually read it and you will discover that), do not treat it as such.

I have gone out on a massive limb in reopening this thread, the feeling among the staff was that it should stay closed. I have argued for it being reopened and said that I will ensure it stays within the AUP, so to be blunt testing that is going to see the full weight of the moderation system brought down on anyone who wishes to put me to the test.

Repeat this kind of thing again and you will be the first.


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[HBK]

You know what the problem is with the PS3 and Sony right now?

A bit off-topic, but I don't think there is a problem with the PS3 and Sony right now. Most people believe the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, most people don't care about which version is the "superior", and the PS3 is a great BluRay player.

The PS3 sells (and has sold) pretty much about the same as the 360, worldwide. So the console is actually doing fine. The main issue Sony have is an image one: they went from undisputed leader to competitor. And I don't think that could be accounted as a major issue.

As for the 720 and the PS4, the way I see it, either they will go in very, very different ways (unlikely), or they'll be very similar both in hardware specs and launch date (most likely). And if you don't see why, think of Activision and Electronic Arts. Oh, and the release date will be pushed as far away as possible. 2013 is most likely, but a combined launch in 2014 is not inconceivable. MicroSoft still sells lots of consoles/Kinects, and the PS3, while lacking in power (compared to the coming generation), could easily last a few years more, thanks to the "future proof" capacity of its storage device.

But then again, maybe we could get back on topic ?

 

[Northstar]

Looks like PD is finally starting to upgrade some standards as both the Jaguar XJR-9 and original Beetle(although a different model year) are premium models in the new DLC, which you have to pay for.

I love the fact that they are doing it finally(seems how everything in GT5 is), but frankly hate that I will have to pay to drive a car that is already in the game, albeit a lesser detailed version.

 

[Imari]

I was doing the Miata seasonal rivals event last night with my 900deg Fanatec CSR setup, no assists, sim steering, using Thomas's wheel settings, stock car (obviously).. and holy crap was I ever dealing with major issues with lift off oversteer on the same damn turn over and over again!! like 4-5 times in a row!! My lady heard me cursing 'MOTHA *****A, AGAIN!!!' lol

Once I was being slightly less aggressive attacking the turn as well as feathering the throttle better, I maintained control. Had I been able to adjust just the tire pressure, I'd probably be able to prevent this issue. I never had any issue with lift off oversteer in any of the dozens of Miatas I drove in GT5.

Funny thing. I own a real Miata, and my two offs with it have been due to lift off oversteer. I barrelled into a corner too fast and lifted off mid-way round without even thinking about it.

Snap.

The car was basically bone stock when I did that. If Forza is modelling that, then it's getting it right.

 

[GT6mebe]

Funny thing. I own a real Miata, and my two offs with it have been due to lift off oversteer. I barrelled into a corner too fast and lifted off mid-way round without even thinking about it.

Snap.

The car was basically bone stock when I did that. If Forza is modelling that, then it's getting it right.

Are you guys serious I am starting to feel that Forza did not have great physics in the past if you are getting surprised by lift off oversteer lol. Its basic physics pretty much every car can technically lift off oversteer.

Anyway, I officially think that GT5' dlc is superior to Forza's now. The new leaked DLC has some awesome rides in it like the beetle however the reason is because of the tracks. In three dlc's we have three tracks, one being a massive real world rack Spa and this new Route X looks like a mini city with large playgrounds and also a thorough test ground to test everything from top speed to grip. We can finally test those tyres for you people who want the most realistic option as they have included lateral G force. Cannot wait.

 

[Scaff]

Are you guys serious I am starting to feel that Forza did not have great physics in the past if you are getting surprised by lift off oversteer lol. Its basic physics pretty much every car can technically lift off oversteer.

Given that GT5 still struggles to model lift-off oversteer well, and previous versions (in particular GT4) had almost zero lift off oversteer you would do well to temper your glee. A point made by the original poster on thsi sunject that you have chosen to ignore.

Lift off oversteer is a tricky thing to model as it requires both a solid tyre model and weight transfer model, previous versions of GT have falled down in this area due to the inability to lift a single tyre off the track surface (part of the old anti-roll over routines).

Previous versions of Forza have had a stab at it, but its never been as well modelled at it is now.

Anyway, I officially think that GT5' dlc is superior to Forza's now. The new leaked DLC has some awesome rides in it like the beetle however the reason is because of the tracks. In three dlc's we have three tracks, one being a massive real world rack Spa and this new Route X looks like a mini city with large playgrounds and also a thorough test ground to test everything from top speed to grip. We can finally test those tyres for you people who want the most realistic option as they have included lateral G force. Cannot wait.

It does look good and I personally hope it lives up to its promise, as to date (for me) the only part of the DLC that has been worth the money has been Spa. I've bought all the DLC released and am still annoyed that I didn't get the second concept 86 as a freebie, because buying the first DLC as a pack didn't count for it (but just buying two paint packs did - ta PD).
Yes GT5's DLC is better that FM4's for track content, not a difficult thing given that we have had no track DLC for FM4 yet. However in terms of cars packs FM4 has GT5 beat hands down. Now if we could get them all combined for both titles that would be ideal.


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[Killer46]

We can finally test those tyres for you people who want the most realistic option as they have included lateral G force. Cannot wait.

Wait, you finally got lateral G readings? Something that has been in Forza since the original?

 

[GT6mebe]

It does look good and I personally hope it lives up to its promise, as to date (for me) the only part of the DLC that has been worth the money has been Spa. I've bought all the DLC released and am still annoyed that I didn't get the second concept 86 as a freebie, because buying the first DLC as a pack didn't count for it (but just buying two paint packs did - ta PD).
Yes GT5's DLC is better that FM4's for track content, not a difficult thing given that we have had no track DLC for FM4 yet. However in terms of cars packs FM4 has GT5 beat hands down. Now if we could get them all combined for both titles that would be ideal.


Scaff

I agree Forza wins in cars and Gt5 wins in tracks in terms of DLC though since I think tracks are ore important than cars thats what lead to that conclusion. I doubt we can get them both in one dlc as that is too much work
in terms of resources and time. I think of it like a PPc curve (if you know some economics )

Wait, you finally got lateral G readings? Something that has been in Forza since the original?

Lol no, I mean we can test it accurately on a specific test course. You can test G-force using the data logger however there are inaccuracies as you may take each turn slightly different with different speeds, angle and rpm. However this can get rid of all those inaccuracies allowing for greater knowledge of the grip levels of tires and your tuned cars.

 

[rocketcaron]

I agree Forza wins in cars and Gt5 wins in tracks in terms of DLC though since I think tracks are ore important than cars thats what lead to that conclusion.

Agreed 100%. With an above 500 cars total, tracks are the real need here especially in Forza. I mean, quality is there already but GT got more variety and fictional tracks are a little bit more imaginative.

FM4 IMO needs at least 3-4 new tracks, 1 urban, 1 nice fictional, Virginia International Raceway and Bathurst if you ask me.

But its probably not going to happen as I guess car packs represents more $$$ than tracks for T10.

 

[Ryan81]

I'm the opposite: couldn't really care less about tracks. I'm happy T10 are dishing out so many car packs. Cars are more important for me because IMO there are already more than enough tracks. I can never get enough cars, though

 

[Luminis]

We can finally test those tyres for you people who want the most realistic option as they have included lateral G force. Cannot wait.

Those tests have been done over and over at GTP. I think the link(s) to said thread(s) is/are posted in this very thread, as well. I dare say, though, that the results did show one thing, mostly:

The way GT5 models the tyre's grip is very basic. The cars and what tyres you should take for a realistic experience are listed on one of those threads, too, if I'm not mistaken.

While we're on the topic of tyres, I still think that FM4 would profit from having more different tyre compounds. While still taking the size of the contact patch into account, obviously.

I'm the opposite: couldn't really care less about tracks. I'm happy T10 are dishing out so many car packs. Cars are more important for me because IMO there are already more than enough tracks. I can never get enough cars, though

I'm somewhere inbetween, I guess. All I need are a fistful of tracks that I thoroughly enjoy and I'm set. Give me one or maybe two more tracks (Bathurst and Brands Hatch, for example), and I wouldn't care about track DLC one bit anymore.

The reason why I am not so eager to see track DLC in FM4 is rather simple; it'd mean skipping a car pack and, right now, I do think that there are a lot of great cars coming. At least taking BADNED's predictions into account.

But, anyways, the reason why I'd say that GT5 is kinda strange when it comes to DLC is that it took PD so long to release it. Also, upgrading standard cars to premium for a fee, racing suits and helmets or the paint chip DLC still seems more than just a pit whacky to me. And that's me being friendly, really

I'm still very curious to see the final contents of the XL Edition, though, or rather, what DLC will be available at the time of its release. I'm still looking for an excuse to purchase it, to be quite honest. Although, I'm also almost willing to just trade my PS3 in and get me some other goods instead. I'm a bit torn, right now, I guess

 

[HBK]

Car packs are fine and all, but tracks are badly needed in both games. It's cool that GT5 got Spa (at last!), but it's far from being sufficient. Both games could use at least 10 more tracks. And I find it mindboggling that GT5 with its standard/premium logic didn't include all fictional tracks from GT4 like they did with Deep Forest and Trial Mountain, barely touching them at all. It wouldn't have been *that* much work.

 

[GT6mebe]

Car packs are fine and all, but tracks are badly needed in both games. It's cool that GT5 got Spa (at last!), but it's far from being sufficient. Both games could use at least 10 more tracks. And I find it mindboggling that GT5 with its standard/premium logic didn't include all fictional tracks from GT4 like they did with Deep Forest and Trial Mountain, barely touching them at all. It wouldn't have been *that* much work.

Pantience....if this DLC from PD says anything is that they do listen to their fans.

 

[imported_Da-bomber]

Pantience....if this DLC from PD says anything is that they do listen to their fans.

Still waiting for the Veyron, and countach to finally be upgraded. Untill that happens, PD is still oblivious to what fans want.

 

[GT6mebe]

Still waiting for the Veyron, and countach to finally be upgraded. Untill that happens, PD is still oblivious to what fans want.

They are not upgrading standards to Premium in GT5. The XJR9 was partially modelled before the game came out hence they included the standard version instead of none at all. The beetle is a totally new version.

I am pretty sure PD know what the fans want....they gave us Spa, they took time to figure out what cars should be in the DLC's (no RM no GTR's lol) but this shows improvement. The people at GT planet are generally astounded by this DLC.

 

[PzR Slim]

They are not upgrading standards to Premium in GT5. The XJR9 was partially modelled before the game came out hence they included the standard version instead of none at all. The beetle is a totally new version.

I am pretty sure PD know what the fans want....they gave us Spa, they took time to figure out what cars should be in the DLC's (no RM no GTR's lol) but this shows improvement. The people at GT planet are generally astounded by this DLC.

And people wonder where this notion of GT's more fanatical fans being easily pleased comes from...

It's not a bad DLC by any stretch but it's not exactly ground breaking when compared to other games. For me PD have been in the wilderness for a number of years and are only now, more than a year after release, catching up with what the modern gamer want's. It's a criticism I aim at most Japanese developers. Most of them seem stuck in the past.

 

[zr1chris]

I am pretty sure PD know what fans want they took time to figure out what cars should be in the DLC's (no RM no GTR's lol) but this shows improvement. The people at GT planet are generally astounded by this DLC.

It doesn't seem like they put much thought into DLC cars at all if you ask me. There are so many other "different" cars that they could have added that would have made those packs much more significant. I know we agree FM4 is much better in this respect but seriously when you compare the two its like GT5 didnt give you anything new, just more of what you already had.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Still waiting for the Veyron, and countach to finally be upgraded. Untill that happens, PD is still oblivious to what fans want.

In PD's defense, this sounds incredibly naive, since your personal tastes are not necessarily representative of the entire community. Some of us want the E46 or JZA80 Supra turned Premium, others want more of the racing prototypes. Basically, nearly every Standard is bound to have some fans waiting for it to be brought up to modern standards.

I'm quite happy with this new DLC announcement. Properly varied cars, finally a track for machine testing, the hint that Standards are infect being made premium - it will be the first DLC pack I buy since the Spa group one.

 

[Luminis]

TThe people at GT planet are generally astounded by this DLC.

From what I remember, that was the case with previous DLC, too.

And that's why I think that criticizing PD is a good thing, it gives them an idea of what to do.

In PD's defense, this sounds incredibly naive, since your personal tastes are not necessarily representative of the entire community. Some of us want the E46 or JZA80 Supra turned Premium, others want more of the racing prototypes. Basically, nearly every Standard is bound to have some fans waiting for it to be brought up to modern standards.

While you are right, I would still think that some cars should receive a somewhat higher priority than others, but we've been through that debate already

Personally, I'd say that this is PD's best DLC so far, there's much more variety in the car selection, much like the packs we've seen from T10 as of late.

 

[Scaff]

In PD's defense, this sounds incredibly naive, since your personal tastes are not necessarily representative of the entire community. Some of us want the E46 or JZA80 Supra turned Premium, others want more of the racing prototypes. Basically, nearly every Standard is bound to have some fans waiting for it to be brought up to modern standards.

I'm quite happy with this new DLC announcement. Properly varied cars, finally a track for machine testing, the hint that Standards are infect being made premium - it will be the first DLC pack I buy since the Spa group one.

I would have to second this, the car's are not bad and a test track is most certainly needed in GT5.

However the main point I agree with is what people want in DLC, its an insanely personal thing, as an example I want the Mazda AZ-1 Autozam in FM4 (and was pleased to see it as a premium in GT5 - more so than any other car), and yes that comment is 100% serious.

I love the little thing and am more than aware that this is a little weird, and certainly would not be high on many people's list of DLC for Forza, yet if it appears I will be as happy as I was when we got the Escort.

DLC content will never please everyone, however as a collective I do think that so far FM has managed the balance better than GT, but this latest pack does seem to be moving in the right direction.


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[cuco33]

Pantience....if this DLC from PD says anything is that they do listen to their fans.

lol

Sorry but that made me laugh. Because the fans want to pay for paint chips and race suits/helmets from the 1st DLC... or race mods of existing cars in the game that should have been free... or because fans want to race a premium VW Beetle, Nissan Leaf or the new version (and another version) of the Mini Cooper S... The Aston is welcome, as is the Aventador.. and I'll take the Jag LM racer even though it's a standard and I'm paying for it to be a premium. And before you say PD sold over a mil downloads... you can put the GT logo on a pile of horse dung and the extreme fans of the series will still buy it.

Tracks are always welcome for me in any racing game. Always welcome.

 

[X-Ray-Cat]

Lol no, I mean we can test it accurately on a specific test course. You can test G-force using the data logger however there are inaccuracies as you may take each turn slightly different with different speeds, angle and rpm. However this can get rid of all those inaccuracies allowing for greater knowledge of the grip levels of tires and your tuned cars.

use the BENCHMARK feature in the car tuning area. as you make changes to your cars tune and then go back to benchmark, It actually figures out the max let G's your car can acheive at different speeds. It will be more consistant and accurate than any test we can do manually.