Forza 4 VS GT5 (read the first post before you contribute)

[t.o.]

No need to argue right? Why do people always feel the need to enlighten their opinion, only because someone doesn't agree ?

That's why it's a message board and specifically this is the Forza 4 vs GT5 thread. It's here for people to state points and opinions. As long as opinions aren't being stated as facts.

 

[artboy76]

Well i observed this site a long time before i started posting here, and thats not how i saw it.
Enough of obvious trolling/bashing around here.
But okay thats your opinion and this is mine, no need to argue about it right
Im enjoying, myself a couple games of tag atm, before that i finished the new seasonals in gt5, and thats what more people should do, just chill, and stop wasting time about silly discusions like this topic. But thats just my opinion.

Please at least tell me you can see the irony in that post?

Considering you've now posted in this thread about 5 or 6 times..... its very very Ironic.

Back on topic, I'm all for using the games at my disposal to give me what i need to fill my love of motoring and racing... so like i have said i own some of the best driving games available, some flawed to almost being broken (Shift 2 / Race Pro) but then still can offer a quick play sometimes (Race Pro for the Alfa 156 WTCC car and other WTCC is still worth the odd blast)

So yeah, what i dont get is how people GT5 side or Forza side can like religiously ONLY ever think of playing that one game and anything else is sub par or somehow desecrating on great GT5 or Forza 4, but so far regards this thread alone, pretty much every person mentioning GT5s flaws owns GT5!!
There is no one who has only played GT5 for 2 hours actually slating the game at all unless i have missed something... generally a "fanboy" would not actually of gone out and purchased the 'other' game..like would be like having an affair for them!! lol.....thats the clue, "fanboys" hate on the other game but dont actually own it, the people who own both their comments are valid to a degree......they purchased it as a paying consumer....


BTW. You are allowed to play and own more than one driving game and one console....

Like when back in the day your were either Beatles or the Rolling Stones if you were a crazy fan......but the clever folks enjoyed both for different reasons!!!

 

[Wolfe]

I've never understood the "stop talking about stuff!" mindset on forums. It's like t.o. said.

Thats what happens when you end up doing what a company like EA want rather than you want. Check out Project CARS to see what shift should have been.

I'm not sure what EA has to do with the game-killing default control setup, but I still understand what you mean. The corporate influence is more apparent in NFS:The Run, which is sad because it sports one of the best driving models of any NFS game, and some brilliant tracks/roads. It suffers from terrible "play it this way because we say so" design decisions, largely to bolster the force-fed Autolog and multiplayer experiences.

I like what I see in the features list for CARS, but motorsports-only racers tend to not capture my interest. If the rally racing is good and includes tarmac courses, and there are classic GT/touring cars from the '80s/'90s, I'll definitely grab it.

...what i dont get is how people GT5 side or Forza side can like religiously ONLY ever think of playing that one game and anything else is sub par or somehow desecrating on great GT5 or Forza 4

It's a bit difficult to play both games without owning both consoles, and the 360 and PS3 are kinda expensive. I think multiplatform titles dominate the libraries of both consoles, so there's little reason to own both (Luminis made a point about this a few pages ago).

On the other hand, I agree that it's ridiculous how other games on each console are given the cold shoulder or ridiculed for being dissimilar to GT/Forza.

Back on topic, I'm all for using the games at my disposal to give me what i need to fill my love of motoring and racing...

Personally, I'll always need more new racing games to play. Cars, graphics, sound, physics...those are all nice, but I'm always hungry for more ground to cover. Give me a driving game that covers every racetrack and every last mile of public road on the planet, and I'll still want new games with fantasy courses.

 

[artboy76]

yeah I understand that it's expensive and arguably a bit pointless and decadent to have both consoles, but then my point still stands, don't slate either GT5 or Forza 4 ( at least without any credibility) if you don't actually own a copy of either game.

You can't slate either one on a few hours play that's for sure.
That would be like someone telling they hated the Beatles cause they heard Yellow Submarine.......
That's my point until they have heard Rubber Soul or the White album, I wouldn't care for their opinion..

 

[I'm Motarded]

How long do we think the lifespan of GT5 will be? All the updates says to me this game will be around for a long time.

I love the fact that PD adds new features and part of me wishes T10 would do the same, but on the other hand, unless your game was built to receive regular game changing patches it can become very broken, some features will be all but impossible to patch anyway too.

The release schedule of T10 means FM5 will be here in a little over 18 months (most likely), so why risk breaking the game adding features that will be here soon anyway and part of me prefers that solution.

Any thought's on the life-cycle of both games?

 

[JoeMaPampang]

 

[cuco33]

I think FM4 will be supported for at least 1 year. It's sort of what T10 did with FM2 and FM3. But since the new xbox is supposedly to be revealed for 2013-2014, I wouldn't guess that the new FM title would be out in 18 months. It could be a nextbox launch title!
For GT5, I can still see PD supporting GT5 at least for another year, but not major changes. Most of the support or patches we got was to fix the game or include features that should have already been there. When you release a game that has faults like GT5 at launch did, you need to support it or your core fan base will move on. PD is smart here continuing support and it's now profitable as the game continues to sell and there's DLC you can purchase.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I look at this way, if GT5 wasnt so borked, misleading, 1/2 assed, and compromised, it would not NEED a year of updates.

Jumping for joy because its still being worked on is a sign of unfinished/compromised, not dedication and hard work.

 

[I'm Motarded]

I look at this way, if GT5 wasnt so borked, misleading, 1/2 assed, and compromised, it would not NEED a year of updates.

Jumping for joy because its still being worked on is a sign of unfinished/compromised, not dedication and hard work.

You say that but, Team fortress two (on PC) has had over 100 updates adding features and addressing balancing issues etc almost directly from consumer input, as a result it's in the top 3 most played games on steam and has a huge following. To me, that is a sign of hard work and dedication that has also paid off for the gamers and developers.

Rushed games shipping with bugs are usually not the fault of developers, it's the publishers for forcing the release dates. Most devs games would never see the light of day, they would rather polish, polish, polish until the company ran out of cash before the game released, searching for perfection that can't realistically be realized.

 

[imported_nismopower]

Yes fm4 does sound incredible some times.
Weird thing tho, just went testing that camera angle ingame, and with my turtlebeach x41 it sounds really dull at that camera spot!
Rest of the camera positions sound awesome, for example the pagani zonda r,it sounds like it's coming straight from hell with fury, but there it sounds dull and quiet. So makes me wonder if they played with it with a audio program, or is there a glitch of some kind. Because as good as it sounds in the video, as dull and flat does it sound here.
Have my sound settings set to hifi, and to car sounds mostly.

Edit, nvm.
Found the problem, my bass was turned off, turned it on, and my f40 evo sounded so extrem hot, i had to turn down the volume or else i would injure my ears !!
Great angle for car sounds, sounds really good from there

 

[Killer46]

good sound spot too imo.

 

[Vaxxtx]

You say that but, Team fortress two (on PC) has had over 100 updates adding features and addressing balancing issues etc almost directly from consumer input, as a result it's in the top 3 most played games on steam and has a huge following. To me, that is a sign of hard work and dedication that has also paid off for the gamers and developers.

Rushed games shipping with bugs are usually not the fault of developers, it's the publishers for forcing the release dates. Most devs games would never see the light of day, they would rather polish, polish, polish until the company ran out of cash before the game released, searching for perfection that can't realistically be realized.

True, but thats also a FPS, and just like an MMO there is always balance issues. Counter-Strike, and even Team Fortress Classic has had many updates. While we are talking about PC...how about IL2? Expansions, as well as community additions....going on 10 years now?

The hard work and dedication should have been done in the 5 years it took to get the game out the door. Now, big updates and DLC start the day FM4 is released? LOL.

Even after a year it still is not complete. Thats a compromised game. How would like your mechanic telling you it will take a year to rebuild your tranny? I mean...he IS working on it, and he tossed in an oil change and new wipers, so therefore...thank him?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Firstly - I'm quite positive this is still posted in the first post of this thread:

• Opinion is not fact - don't present it as such
• Argue the point don't attack the person making it
• The term 'fanboy' (including any and all derivations) is banned
• Accusations of 'Troll' simply because you don't like what someone says are also out
• If you make a claim back it up with sources - fail to do so and you will be asked to provide them
• Don't just post up pictures and video without any form of meaningful comment. This is a discussion thread not a picture/video gallery. Offending posts will be deleted on sight.

This isn't a video dumping ground.

Yes 1 out of 7 comments !
Says enough right, and a mod should know better right

Perhaps Jerome is referencing the poorly-handled corner-cutting in GT Academy? You can ask him for his opinion on it, however.

As a member of staff on both Planets, I can very much offer my findings on one thing - there are far more anti-Forza elitists at GTPlanet than there are anti-GT members here. At other Forza websites? Perhaps not. But the loudest of either anti camp typically are the people who haven't even played what it is they're rallying against, and due to the very nature of this board (the vast majority of Forza Planet members, at this early stage in the site's life, being GTP members beforehand), we have very few members who've never once touched GT5, or feel the need to shout "GT5 sucks" every time it or PD are mentioned.

 

[imported_nismopower]

Firstly - I'm quite positive this is still posted in the first post of this thread:



This isn't a video dumping ground.



Perhaps Jerome is referencing the poorly-handled corner-cutting in GT Academy? You can ask him for his opinion on it, however.

As a member of staff on both Planets, I can very much offer my findings on one thing - there are far more anti-Forza elitists at GTPlanet than there are anti-GT members here. At other Forza websites? Perhaps not. But the loudest of either anti camp typically are the people who haven't even played what it is they're rallying against, and due to the very nature of this board (the vast majority of Forza Planet members, at this early stage in the site's life, being GTP members beforehand), we have very few members who've never once touched GT5, or feel the need to shout "GT5 sucks" every time it or PD are mentioned.

I think that says it all, you have very few members on this forum, compared to the many gtplanet members.
Thats why there are more, how do you say it in english, bad appels ??
Im dutch so my english isn't perfect, but what i'm trying to say is, that with bigger crowd you get more wrong people.
This forum is still pretty small compared to gtplanet, so that's why it is less noticeable compared to a big forum.
But yes i do agree it's sad that there are people bad mouthing another game, only because it's not their favorite game.
But all i'm saying is it goes two ways, and yes maybe for now it's less on this forum, but as soon as you guys get more populair, it will be exaclty the same.
Just want to end with a positive note, and that is that yesterday i played alot of tag games online, and i really enjoyed myself.
Forza 4 is a really good game, and physics wise i also think they have atleast the same experience or maybe better.
But somehow i keep getting attracted to gt5, i enjoy it soo much.
I can really spend hours on gt5's nurburgring, and wait till it gets dark, and then without a hud, trying to set good times in pitch dark.
Soo all i'm saying there both really good games, and thats how i would like to end it for me here on this topic
Btw looking forward to what turn 10 has in stock for us with carpack nr4
(fingers crossed for mazda 787B )

 

[imported_Slackbladder]

I'm a long time player of both games. Both have their flaws and weaknesses. However Forza does win out but only just, mainly because the audio is fantastic and there is a better selection of cars (yes GT5 has 900 or so but as far as the 'Premium' options go, not enough - though it's getting better with DLC). F4 is also just more fun! Handling is essentially irrelevant to me as I don't even drive a car in real life! But one thing that GT5 is superior to Forza 4 is the attention to detail of their cars. Forza 4 is almost as good, but alas there are too many that are simply wrong. For example, the Zonda R and the new Huyara have deep rims on the rear wheels. In F4 they are the same as the front. Also the Jaguar XKR-S in F4 is visually a standard XKR. The XKR-S is significantly different looking. In general there are too many cars in F4 that don't quite look right. So, for pure car porn GT5 wins. It also has a superior photo mode.
Unfortunately both games suffer from lack of originality. Admittedly there is more to do in GT5 but both tend to inspire narcolepsy in me after a while.
Truth be told I like them both as much, but F4 is that bit more fun. And in a game that's what I want.

 

[Spagetti69]

Admittedly there is more to do in GT5

Maybe you can help to regenerate my interest then.
I haven't played in ages but still have the game.

What extras can I hope to see?

Thanks mate.

 

[SparksBCN]

Also the Jaguar XKR-S in F4 is visually a standard XKR. The XKR-S is significantly different looking.

That's not true, here is a 2009 Jaguar XKR-S in Forza 3 (same model as Forza 4):

And here is a real life 2009 Jaguar XKR-S:

They look the same to me.

About the rims on the Zonda R and the Huayra (and many other cars), it's not exactly a modeling error, it seems the game just can't handle different wheel offsets on the same car... All the cars which in real life have different offsets for the front and rear wheels, use the same offsets in all 4 wheels in the game.

 

[newbielives]

I look at this way, if GT5 wasnt so borked, misleading, 1/2 assed, and compromised, it would not NEED a year of updates.

Jumping for joy because its still being worked on is a sign of unfinished/compromised, not dedication and hard work.

Hey i get it you really hate gt5/PD not just from the post above but from practically every post you make about gt, i just cant believe you think gt is a half assed piece of garbage when i can do this

and not have any exaggerated framerate problems , what i see is a game company putting so much passion into their game they decided to model how the dust blows in synced with the actual weather of that region. im glad you like forza because its a great game but its really incredible how you have borked your sense reality to fight this imaginary game war

 

[imported_JJ72]

what i see is a game company putting so much passion into their game they decided to model how the dust blows in synced with the actual weather of that region.

what now?

 

[prymet1me]

newbielives
The big problem with that video you posted is..that is not the majority of GT5, that is an experience that is minority. I stopped playing the game because it got boring and I am sorry but driving the ring over and over and over is not an idea of fun to me. Forza is giving me much more enjoyment than GT5 did with many different cars, a long offline "career" mode, many different types of cars with cockpit view, rivals mode when I want to earn some cash, recreate some designer cars with the paint shop, more tuning options and a longer list of things that have been discussed to death in this thread. I like to race many types of cars from F class all the way to R1 on many different types of tracks so your video of GT5 at its best is not a representation of the full game and a small part of the overall GT5 package.

 

[Imari]

Hey i get it you really hate gt5/PD not just from the post above but from practically every post you make about gt, i just cant believe you think gt is a half assed piece of garbage when i can do this

and not have any exaggerated framerate problems , what i see is a game company putting so much passion into their game they decided to model how the dust blows in synced with the actual weather of that region. im glad you like forza because its a great game but its really incredible how you have borked your sense reality to fight this imaginary game war

GT5 is very much a one trick pony. If you want to lap premium cars at the Ring, great. If you want to do anything else, the quality goes downhill very steeply.

There's a lot of GT5 for which "half-assed piece of garbage" is an accurate description. Standard cars, standard tracks, online service, and so on.

 

[PzR Slim]

Hey i get it you really hate gt5/PD not just from the post above but from practically every post you make about gt, i just cant believe you think gt is a half assed piece of garbage when i can do this

and not have any exaggerated framerate problems , what i see is a game company putting so much passion into their game they decided to model how the dust blows in synced with the actual weather of that region. im glad you like forza because its a great game but its really incredible how you have borked your sense reality to fight this imaginary game war

Nobody that I know has said that GT5 in that guise is not a sublime experience. On my triple screen set up doing what you did is gaming nirvana. However, that doesn't tell the full story. That is a very small part of the game. And that's the exact reason people can say it is half assed. What GT5 does well it does fantastically, unfortunately what it does badly it does really badly. And you can't just ignore the bad bits. If GT5 had been that sort of quality you posted in the vid all the way through then there would be no contest IMO but it doesn't. FM maintains a very high standard all the way through, it doesn't quite match the heights GT5 can get to except in the physics where I think it surpasses GT5, but it's a consistent performer throughout the experience. And that is why I think it is a better game.

 

[cuco33]

It's funny... with pad I swore up and down that GT5>FM4 in terms of physics, knowing ahead of time that with a pad there are some assists and buffers. I experienced it with how much 'easier' it was to correct major screw ups while racing, getting a car to extreme angles and still be able to fix it. Then FM4 got patched and things got a bit closer but that ease of use seemed to be there. Then I tried both games with my Fanatec and I have to be honest... the more I play both titles, the more I feel FM4's physics with a wheel is better than GT5 with a wheel. It's not about being harder to control, it's about feeling more realistic. It seems to me that with a wheel, GT5 is easier to drive, easier to correct screw ups, more foregiving, less chances of crashing due to snap oversteer or lift off oversteer or attacking a curve too aggressively and meeting the wall due to heavy understeer, etc. It just feels more realistic in FM4 than it does in GT5, but compared to some PC sims I've played neither are as good as those. Close but no cigar. Just my opinion and I've put quite a lot of time with pad and wheel in both games.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Hey i get it you really hate gt5/PD not just from the post above but from practically every post you make about gt, i just cant believe you think gt is a half assed piece of garbage when i can do this

and not have any exaggerated framerate problems , what i see is a game company putting so much passion into their game they decided to model how the dust blows in synced with the actual weather of that region. im glad you like forza because its a great game but its really incredible how you have borked your sense reality to fight this imaginary game war

Hate is a strong word. I dont think I care enough about a game to hate it. But I am honest, and I stand by what I think of GT5.

And I have a borked sense of reality because I dont see "passion" put into GT5? Maybe it is you with a borked sense if you can see that most of GT5 is a lazy attempt. Tire models, standard cars, standard tracks, sound, damage, 1/2 assed Rally/NASCAR/F1 etc. etc.

For the record, if I am so biased why do I play and enjoy other motorsport games as well? Not just FM4, but F1 2011, iRacing, Race Pro, Race 07 etc. etc. Surely I am not all over T10 like some people are about PD. I like good games, and GT5 in my book isnt one.

 

[X-Ray-Cat]

Hey i get it you really hate gt5/PD not just from the post above but from practically every post you make about gt, i just cant believe you think gt is a half assed piece of garbage when i can do this

and not have any exaggerated framerate problems , what i see is a game company putting so much passion into their game they decided to model how the dust blows in synced with the actual weather of that region. im glad you like forza because its a great game but its really incredible how you have borked your sense reality to fight this imaginary game war

Cant. Tell. If. Spouse. Is. Vacuuming. Or. Gameplay?

 

[I'm Motarded]

LoL. I knew it wouldn't be long before somebody played the "GT5 Epic Ring" card.

PD should have changed the cover to read "The Real Nordschleife Simulator".

Well, I've seen the full circle of this thread happen before my very eyes

 

[PzR Slim]

Well, I've seen the full circle of this thread happen before my very eyes

Its understandable that it's brought up because it really is a sublime experience but some people seem to think that is enough to excuse the rest of the game. We can only hope that GT6 will have that level of quality throughout. It's what I fully expected for GT5 to be honest.

 

[hennessey86]

I agree with everyone about the video of the LFA at the ring, yes it looks great but it sounds terrible and its a very small part of the game. Now take that LFA around trial mountain or laguna seca and still claim graphical greatness

 

[JoeMaPampang]

newbielives
The big problem with that video you posted is..that is not the majority of GT5, that is an experience that is minority. I stopped playing the game because it got boring and I am sorry but driving the ring over and over and over is not an idea of fun to me. Forza is giving me much more enjoyment than GT5 did with many different cars, a long offline "career" mode, many different types of cars with cockpit view, rivals mode when I want to earn some cash, recreate some designer cars with the paint shop, more tuning options and a longer list of things that have been discussed to death in this thread. I like to race many types of cars from F class all the way to R1 on many different types of tracks so your video of GT5 at its best is not a representation of the full game and a small part of the overall GT5 package.

Exactly i think the majority of members here have both games.(I do) And i totally agree with all your points. For me the biggest gripes with gt5 are screen tear, frameratedrops (Mid corner looks like a powepoint slideshow) sounds and lack of "Feel". Gt5 still has better still graphics and yes the Nurb looks sublime but that doesn't make a game.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

GT5 The Real Driving Simulator

So real, we will even add 10 seconds onto your time for using a FFB wheel and having 12 friends. What? You thought you could get online and have competitive races with more than 10 people? Please. You must have the wrong game.