Well they're making a lot of 'casual friendly' features in Forza 3, like time rewind, automatic breaking. So of course the specs of the cars are given as ratings. GT5 has more detailed car models than Forza. But the environments in Forza look FANTASTIC. Then again, GT5P runs at 1080p. Forza 3, runs at 720p. Can you imagine how good it would look if it ran at 720p instead? They could put so much more graphical detail in the game to be honest. Kaz really is an idiot if he doesn't show GT5 with damage tomorrow. Seriously. FM3 is really kicking GT5's butt.