The problem with FH is that the driving is dull when I compare.
There has been an attitude for a long time that "sim = difficult to drive" and "arcade = easier to drive, fun", but I've never agreed with it. Everyday people are able to drive real cars with no problems. I even saw a TV program where they put everyday people into an F1 car, and they were quickly able to judge the limit of grip on corners and corner at speeds similar to pro F1 drivers. There's no reason why FH6 should have any worse physics than FM, there's nothing difficult to drive about the cars in FM, indeed I find them easier to drive precisely because they drive more realistically.
No, no, there was no Horizon series then. It's only pointless when you have another game that already has it in. If people want that same stuff in a game with real world tracks, just add those tracks into Horizon.
Most FM fans (probably all, but I don't have the stats haha) don't want FM to drive like FH
Up to FM7, the driving models between the Horizon and Motorsport games felt closer, so transitioning between games was easier. Not so with their current iterations: FM on the gamepad feels so different, and things like brake fade, weight transfer, and tire degradation are real. Those really need not be a part of FH games, but honestly, its physics are fine by me for the most part.
I know that, for me with the wheel, it is more natural with FM than FH. The dull side is because the tracks are like flat in FH (and in FM7 it is somewhat flat too but not the same feeling).
To me, FM's physics is simply better in every way than FH5. It's more realistic and as a result easier to drive the cars, I can't understand why anyone would prefer FH5's physics to FM's if they tried both. When FM7 was current, the FH series clearly needed different physics, because FM7 had horrible physics with completely unrealistic fake difficulty. But they have fixed that with FM, it has massively better physics than FM7, and the cars are now easy to drive, just like cars in real life. Some of the stock tunes are still quite bad, they could do more work on those, but that applies to both FM and FH, neither series should have bad stock tunes for cars.
The thing I really hate in FH5 is how cars go into a slide going into corners and don't re-gain grip. It's just so completely fake difficulty. FM's behaviour under braking into corners is so much better - much more realistic and much easier to drive. Also, the input lag in FH5 is sky high. People who play it a lot might not notice because they've adapted to it, but FM's input lag is significantly better. I had a friend try FH5 on my PC and he just couldn't deal with the input lag in the time he spent trying it, he was constantly holding his inputs too long because he was waiting to see the car doing what he wanted it to do, but by that time it's too late because of the input lag. It would be nice if they could get FM's input lag down even more from where it is, as it's still noticeably much worse than ACC's input lag.
I've personally such a hard time enjoying FH5 now that I've gotten used to FM '23 on my wheel. Many of the roads are great in FH5, like the volcano and the Devil's Pass, on the rally expansion map. But the physics, and feeling/ffb, just feels so flat and undetailed in comparison.
To be clear, when I talk about "physics", I'm talking about the code/equations, rather than parameter values. So the improved tyre model with more contact points modelled, and the higher frequency at which the physics runs, those are the kinds of thing I'm talking about when I say FH6 could use FM's physics. The better tyre model and higher frequency should make it handle uneven ground in the FH series much better. Chris showed in one of the live streams how much better it works over uneven kerbs with the greater number of contact points and higher frequency, and those same improvements should also benefit off-road driving in the FH series, even more so, really, due to how much more often uneven terrain is encountered. I don't think anyone would see those things as worse than how they are in FH5, as they would just give a more detailed, more intuitive, more enjoyable driving experience.
But wait, there's more! My dad owns Xbox and he told me that, due to public demand, they're working on a port for the Nokia 3310. It will feature raytracing and run at 60 fps!
The only thing I miss there is the integrated speedometer/tachometer that also has a traction control/tire temperature icons.
Yes, the new physics have improved in a lot of areas but tire bite is one area it is still off in and it heavily impacts turn in. That's why we still have to run very unrealistic setups that follow the same sort of "philosophy" we were using in FM7.
