Thanks Vic - I golded the Red Bull first by using all driving aids, automatic and wheel force feedback turned down to one. I focussed on not braking too much, keeping the speed down and trying to steer smoothly. I kept coming off track, but eventually got a 29 point something.
For the 177 I took the driving aids off, turned the force feedback to my normal five and used manual. I concentrated on steering as per your advice so thanks very much. I found that without traction control, like the Alfa Romeo it was fastest off the line with half throttle. Very pleased to gold this one because I really wanted the prize car - 1959 Chevrolet race car - had a lot of fun driving this around Willow Sprngs in the classic muscle car race.