Gran Turismo 7 Confirmed to also launch on PlayStation 4, is a cross-gen title

[Imari]

Ok and so? GT rival it is the circuit based forza not fh

Is it? I'd think any simulation based casual friendly racing game is a potential GT rival. Having fun racing and modifying cars doesn't really change much if you're going in a circle or not. I'd say that anyone that enjoys either GT or FH should at least look at buying the other as they'll probably have a good time.

But if you think that GT can't stand up against a game like FH then by all means make whatever excuses you need to exclude it. I understand that Polyphony is just a little indie studio that can't be expected to take on the big bad M$ boys.

 

[Samus]

Anyway my point was another, the guy was saying that Gt it is such a bad game and it is still going only beacause it is a playstation game which is a dumb statement honestly

Whilst I don't agree with that statement outright it is surely fair to say GT has remained popular at least partly due to their being no other true competitor on PS doing things better. If your only console is a Playstation and you want a game like Gran Turismo, Gran Turismo is it.

If a third party developer came along and managed to better the GT formula on Playstation combined with a whole bunch of $ to market and promote it, who knows, Gran Turismo could see popularity dwindle.

 

[Shingo_civic]

Is it? I'd think any simulation based casual friendly racing game is a potential GT rival. Having fun racing and modifying cars doesn't really change much if you're going in a circle or not. I'd say that anyone that enjoys either GT or FH should at least look at buying the other as they'll probably have a good time.

But if you think that GT can't stand up against a game like FH then by all means make whatever excuses you need to exclude it. I understand that Polyphony is just a little indie studio that can't be expected to take on the big bad M$ boys.

Ok but FH isn't a simulation based game...If someone is looking on something more realistic surely don'choose FH instead of GT and viceversa...if you can't accept that it's your problem.
The other part of your comment seems written from some of these microsoft fanboy talibans that you find on twitter...and that's odd in a thread dedicated to playstation game. Idk where the moderators are...

 

[Shingo_civic]

Whilst I don't agree with that statement outright it is surely fair to say GT has remained popular at least partly due to their being no other true competitor on PS doing things better. If your only console is a Playstation and you want a game like Gran Turismo, Gran Turismo is it.

If a third party developer came along and managed to better the GT formula on Playstation combined with a whole bunch of $ to market and promote it, who knows, Gran Turismo could see popularity dwindle.

Than why forza motosport isn't nearly as popular depsite having no competitor on it's console exactly like GT on playstation?...To me GT it is that popular simply because it is an amazing game and that's it

 

[Samus]

Than why forza motosport isn't nearly as popular depsite having no competitor on it's console exactly like GT on playstation?...To me GT it is that popular simply because it is an amazing game and that's it

Too many games? A smaller console install base? I don't know, but that's not really relevant to the point I was making because it would be the same on Xbox, if the same hypothetical third party game arrived on Xbox it'd likely take sales away from Forza as well. Because that's what good competition does in any market, video games or otherwise.

PD built the Gran Turismo name up to what it is today based on the brilliant games on PS1 and PS2, with the first game being revolutionary at the time. It hasn't really seen any major growth in the PS3 and PS4 eras.

 

[Imari]

Ok but FH isn't a simulation based game...If someone is looking on something more realistic surely don'choose FH instead of GT and viceversa...if you can't accept that it's your problem.

The idea that FH isn't based on simulation is just false. It's FM physics with tweaked numbers. Simulation is a spectrum, and FH is far closer to GT and FM than it is to anything else. I'd say FH4's offroad simulation is actually superior to GTS (although that's damning with faint praise), even though it's tarmac simulation is slightly worse.

I mean, would you say that GT4 isn't a simulation based game? Because I'd say FH4 is absolutely no question a better simulation than GT4. I'd say it's also a better simulation than GT6, but I think there one gets more into the realm of personal preference so I don't insist on it.

If someone is looking for something more realistic on a console then they don't choose GT either, they buy AC/ACC or PCARS2. If they have access to a PC then GT is waaaay down the list of realistic simulation games. GT is not a game that is a sensible purchase for someone looking for the most realistic racing experience possible.

People buy GT (or Forza Motorsport) for it's blend of realism and accessible fun - just like Forza Horizon. The difference is whether you want to pretend to be a rich boy racer out at the circuits on the weekend or a hooligan tearing around an open world doing rad stuff, the physics difference between the three games is marginal at best. Especially with a controller, the device that the vast majority of players will be using.

I think your misunderstanding comes from thinking that GT is a full blown simulation that is trying it's hardest to be physically accurate in every way it can. It is not. Neither is FM, and so FH trying a little less hard than both of them is rather like having three cubes of ice in your whiskey instead of two. It's still watered down, and the practical difference is basically nothing when the whole point is whether you're having a good time or not.

 

[Shingo_civic]

The idea that FH isn't based on simulation is just false. It's FM physics with tweaked numbers. Simulation is a spectrum, and FH is far closer to GT and FM than it is to anything else. I'd say FH4's offroad simulation is actually superior to GTS (although that's damning with faint praise), even though it's tarmac simulation is slightly worse.

I mean, would you say that GT4 isn't a simulation based game? Because I'd say FH4 is absolutely no question a better simulation than GT4. I'd say it's also a better simulation than GT6, but I think there one gets more into the realm of personal preference so I don't insist on it.

If someone is looking for something more realistic on a console then they don't choose GT either, they buy AC/ACC or PCARS2. If they have access to a PC then GT is waaaay down the list of realistic simulation games. GT is not a game that is a sensible purchase for someone looking for the most realistic racing experience possible.

People buy GT (or Forza Motorsport) for it's blend of realism and accessible fun - just like Forza Horizon. The difference is whether you want to pretend to be a rich boy racer out at the circuits on the weekend or a hooligan tearing around an open world doing rad stuff, the physics difference between the three games is marginal at best. Especially with a controller, the device that the vast majority of players will be using.

I think your misunderstanding comes from thinking that GT is a full blown simulation that is trying it's hardest to be physically accurate in every way it can. It is not. Neither is FM, and so FH trying a little less hard than both of them is rather like having three cubes of ice in your whiskey instead of two. It's still watered down, and the practical difference is basically nothing when the whole point is whether you're having a good time or not.

Man you are trying to sell FH like a racing game of the same category as GT but it is not like that, deal with it. And no fh hasn't superior offrad physics than GT neither isn't superior to GT6... wtf man? I understand the fanboysm but pls have little bit of containment and objectivity...



And no i don't think GT it's a full simulation but neither isn't an arcade ala FH like you are trying to sell (im the guy that opened the GT7 physics thread where i've pointed out a lot of the flaws that GT has in it's driving model, so no you are talking to the wrong person...). Surely who is searching for more realism don't go with GT and FM but with AC and ACC. It's the same with FH, if someone it's searching for something more realistic and circuit based but don't want the full simulation goes with GT or FM and not FH, so the latter it is not a concurrent of GT, simple like that.
If we go by your reasoning than we have to put also NFS on the same category of GT an FM but it's totally not like that.

 

[Matt Stephens]

Feel like Sony could do with snapping up a few more studios that specialise in racing games. Even as a fan of PlayStation I do think Microsoft have a good balance with the Forza series, one series for motorsports and another for more off the wall arcade fun.

I get that PD really love to focus on the tiny details and GT Sport is undoubtedly a gorgeous looking game, but PDs overly slow progress and history of delayed releases really make me feel they could do with another studio focussed on racing games. If only they hadn’t disbanded Evolution Studios, they could have had PD focussed on GT and Evo could have been putting out more regular arcade focussed racing games. Sony definitely dropped the ball there for me and threw away a very talented team that could have putting out something along the lines of the Horizon series.

If GT7 really is going to be cross-gen I feel like they should have put the game out at least a year or two ago. Could have had GT Sport as a prologue focussing on the online aspect and then GT7 as the more fully featured game to offer more for the offline players but with the GT Sport online portion carried over.

Love them or hate them, all I can say is I’m glad we have studios like Codemasters filling that massive void left over by PD and the many years between GT releases otherwise it would be very quiet for PlayStation fans looking for racing games, be it for an arcade or sim-cade experience.

As a PlayStation fan Forza Horizon 5 looks like a lot of fun and at a time when there’s not much in the way of next-gen racing games, nor no solid release date for GT7, I’m definitely hoping Sony look to change that in the near future and look to expand their studios beyond relying on just PD and the GT series to satisfy more fans of racing games on the PlayStation platform.

 

[ArR29]

I have never seen people compared an open world arcade racing game to a gran turismo before. Heck, I don't remember it being compared to Horizon before it became popular. Have you ever seen people comparing it to Midnight Club, NFS, Test Drive during PS2 era? Rarely. Just because it has cars that you can drive doesn't mean it's competing to each other. Asphalt on Android also has cars and very casual friendly, why won't people compare it to GT? Why? Because it doesn't have a Forza named on it. That's the only reason I can think of.

 

[Samus]

I have never seen people compared an open world arcade racing game to a gran turismo before. Heck, I don't remember it being compared to Horizon before it became popular. Have you ever seen people comparing it to Midnight Club, NFS, Test Drive during PS2 era? Rarely. Just because it has cars that you can drive doesn't mean it's competing to each other. Asphalt on Android also has cars and very casual friendly, why won't people compare it to GT? Why? Because it doesn't have a Forza named of it. That's the only reason I can think of.

That depends entirely how invested in cars and racing you are. If it's not very much, they're all just racing games with real cars vs racing games with fictional go-karts. Likewise with myself, I don't play or care for FPS so to me, they're all the same. But I'm sure Battlefield and COD or whatever are actually different.

 

[Shingo_civic]

I have never seen people compared an open world arcade racing game to a gran turismo before. Heck, I don't remember it being compared to Horizon before it became popular. Have you ever seen people comparing it to Midnight Club, NFS, Test Drive during PS2 era? Rarely. Just because it has cars that you can drive doesn't mean it's competing to each other. Asphalt on Android also has cars and very casual friendly, why won't people compare it to GT? Why? Because it doesn't have a Forza named of it. That's the only reason I can think of.

Yeah it's the first time that i see someone arguing that FH it on the same category as GT...honestly it's ridicolous.

 

[Samus]

Yeah it's the first time that i see someone arguing that FH it on the same category as GT...honestly it's ridicolous

They're racing games. The setting and format is different, but they're racing games. Which was all that was relevent in the discussion context.

 

[ICEYOU3]

5 million views on the FH5 trailer in two weeks.



People are hype af for FH5, not least because we've seen actual gameplay and it looks rad.

I think at this point GT and FH are at least roughly equivalent in terms of popularity.

Nah

 

[TS050]

I have never seen people compared an open world arcade racing game to a gran turismo before. Heck, I don't remember it being compared to Horizon before it became popular. Have you ever seen people comparing it to Midnight Club, NFS, Test Drive during PS2 era? Rarely. Just because it has cars that you can drive doesn't mean it's competing to each other. Asphalt on Android also has cars and very casual friendly, why won't people compare it to GT? Why? Because it doesn't have a Forza named of it. That's the only reason I can think of.

Welcome to GTPlanet!

 

[queleuleu]

Yeah it's the first time that i see someone arguing that FH it on the same category as GT...honestly it's ridicolous.

If you think it's ridiculous, sorry you don't understand the market. These games share the same market : nice looking car game. Sure some people buy GT because it's a "sim" but 90% of the players can play one day GT and the other day FH.
So far, I think FH5 is the most anticipated car game given its amazing reveal from a casual player point of view (which means the vast majority of car games players).

 

[ArR29]

Yeah it's the first time that i see someone arguing that FH it on the same category as GT...honestly it's ridicolous.

The funny thing is, Forza fans stopped mentioning motorsport now as if it doesn't exist anymore and just use Horizon as direct competition of GT. I know there's always been rivalry between both franchise but yeah this is getting ridiculous.

They're racing games. The setting and format is different, but they're racing games. Which was all that was relevent in the discussion context.

I mean yeah, at the end of the day they're all racing games just like CS Go and Deus ex have both shooting mechanics

 

[Samus]

That depends entirely how invested in cars and racing you are. If it's not very much, they're all just racing games with real cars vs racing games with fictional go-karts. Likewise with myself, I don't play or care for FPS so to me, they're all the same. But I'm sure Battlefield and COD or whatever are actually different.

The funny thing is, Forza fans stopped mentioning motorsport now as if it doesn't exist anymore and just use Horizon as direct competition of GT. I know there's always been rivalry between both franchise but yeah this is getting ridiculous.


I mean yeah, at the end of the day they're all racing games just like CS Go and Deus ex have both shooting mechanics

Like I said. And I'm not a "Forza fan". I haven't played a Forza game since M3.

 

[ArR29]

Like I said. And I'm not a "Forza fan". I haven't played a Forza game since M3.

I'm talking about Forza fans in general not you personally.

 

[Shingo_civic]

I'm talking about Forza fans in general not you personally.

There are a lot also in here from what i read... no wonder why many people don't post anymore on GT Planet, it has become toxic in here...

 

[Destroy321]

There are a lot also in here from what i read... no wonder why many people don't post anymore on GT Planet, it has become toxic in here...

Shouldn't there be various opinions? Also, it is a dangerous sign to label a positive opinion on Forza and a negative opinion on GT as "Forza Fan".

 

[TS050]

Shouldn't there be various opinions? Also, it is a dangerous sign to label a positive opinion on Forza and a negative opinion on GT as "Forza Fan".

Nobody is saying that people aren’t entitled to their own opinions but I feel like it’s pretty fair to say that the GT based forums are considerably more toxic than the other racing game based subforums on here - that’s probably because the website itself is GT centric, but attitudes around here are almost never positive it feels like (probably because we have nothing to really discuss).

I remember there being a “Thanks PD” thread a year or so ago and it took less than 3 posts for the OP to be told they were incorrect for supporting them. It doesn’t surprise me that people are starting to avoid the GT section altogether

 

[GBalao888]

Shouldn't there be various opinions? Also, it is a dangerous sign to label a positive opinion on Forza and a negative opinion on GT as "Forza Fan".

I, myself am a die-hard Forza fan and have always loved Forza more than Gran Turismo (in fact, Forza is my second-most favorite game franchise, just behind WipEout, with Gran Turismo as the third), but hey, Gran Turismo is still a great game, I still love it, and I still enjoy playing it every now and then. Of course, I am definitely aware that both franchises have their strengths and weaknesses.

Fanboy wars, on the other hand, are not only toxic, but are also completely stupid, nonsensical and just a way to embarrass one another and ruin someone's day. Not only that, it gives whatever side you're on a bad name too, besides making terrible attempts to shame and bastardize the other.

And this is coming from someone who plays both Gran Turismo and Forza.

 

[Samus]

Things only turn "toxic" because some users can't seem to handle even the slightest negative comments towards "their" title. As above, someone dared to suggest that Forza Horizon was a competitor to GT. That's it, and people didn't like it, how could such a thing be suggested.

 

[ArR29]

Nobody is saying that people aren’t entitled to their own opinions but I feel like it’s pretty fair to say that the GT based forums are considerably more toxic than the other racing game based subforums on here - that’s probably because the website itself is GT centric, but attitudes around here are almost never positive it feels like (probably because we have nothing to really discuss).

I remember there being a “Thanks PD” thread a year or so ago and it took less than 3 posts for the OP to be told they were incorrect for supporting them. It doesn’t surprise me that people are starting to avoid the GT section altogether

GT = BAD. It's not really exclusive to this site. You can go to GT7 trailer you can see them spamming that their game is superior. Like what the fudge is wrong with these people? It's kinda sad and pathetic really. I honestly don't see the connection other than both have cars and you drive them but hey.

 

[Imari]

Man you are trying to sell FH like a racing game of the same category as GT but it is not like that, deal with it. And no fh hasn't superior offrad physics than GT neither isn't superior to GT6... wtf man? I understand the fanboysm but pls have little bit of containment and objectivity...

Lol, u mad bro? You sound mad. It's not my fault that Polyphony thinks that dirt is just slippery tarmac with the rumble motors in the controller on.





I mean, I admitted that it was marginal for GT6 but each to their own. I know what I think feels more like driving on dirt, you're welcome to your own opinion.

If thinking games are fun is being a fanboy now, then I suppose I'm a fanboy. FH4 was fun. FM7 was fun. I hope GT7 is fun. Am I allowed to be a Forza fanboy and a Polyphony fanboy at the same time? Or is it only one or the other?

Because Gran Turismo definitely doesn't allow you to take supercars on dirt tracks, or slide them down a mountainside (I miss Eiger Norwand), or fling them off huge jumps with no damage (I don't miss Cape Ring). Oh wait, it does all those things because they're...fun. You can do a lot of the same silly stuff in GT that you can in FH and it operates in much the same way, it's just not an open world. Some of the best parts of GT as well, if you ask me.

I'm not arguing that FH is particularly realistic. I'm arguing that GT (and FM by extension) are not particularly realistic either once you start playing them with the same sort of reckless abandon than people play FH with. This is not a bad thing, this is what the games are designed to do. They're all realistic enough if you drive sensibly, but if you do wacky stuff the systems simply can't cope.

It's more that the gameplay of FH encourages wacky stuff to a degree that GT and FM don't, so you don't see the systems breaking in GT and FM to the same extent. But that doesn't mean that they don't all have very similar flaws. Sure, you can split hairs over which one is slightly more accurate than the other, but that seems dumb when there are real simulators easily available. None of these games are ever going to compete with those because that's not their target market.

The target market is people who want to have fun pretending they're a real awesome driver, and apparently people who think that GT/FM is the bestest simulator evar because it says "The Real Driving Simulator" on the box and Kaz said so and I once drove a Civic and it was just like the one in the game and my Dad can beat up your Dad so nyeh.

Things only turn "toxic" because some users can't seem to handle even the slightest negative comments towards "their" title. As above, someone dared to suggest that Forza Horizon was a competitor to GT. That's it, and people didn't like it, how could such a thing be suggested.

I know, I'm a heretic. Just burn me now.

The funny thing is, Forza fans stopped mentioning motorsport now as if it doesn't exist anymore and just use Horizon as direct competition of GT. I know there's always been rivalry between both franchise but yeah this is getting ridiculous.

IMO, Horizon is the best non-hardcore simulation racing game on the market right now. For GT7 to have a legitimate shot at dethroning that is pretty good. FH5 will be a big deal, we can already see how popular it is. GT7 will be Sony and Polyphony's chance to respond, and it's only good for all of us if it ends up being a better game.

I don't think Motorsport is in the same discussion, honestly. It's an also ran at this stage because Horizon offers such a wider range of experiences that it's just overshadowed, even though on paper it seems closer to the traditional GT formula. It still exists because enough people will pay money for it, but I bet for a lot of casual racers they'd prefer a new Horizon over a new Motorsport. Horizon took over from Motorsport as the big hitter of the Forza range, which is no bad thing.

I suspect this is why they took Motorsport off the regular release cycle for major retooling - the devs could see that Motorsport needed a major overhaul not to become the red-headed step child of the group. Polyphony has a headstart in that respect, GTS was a major rebuild after the weak reception of GT6. Some of it worked, some of it didn't. If they can combine the best of GTS and older GT games with just a little spark of something fresh and new I think they'll stomp Horizon and everything else out there. When Gran Turismo is good it's very, very good.

 

[Shingo_civic]

Lol, u mad bro? You sound mad. It's not my fault that Polyphony thinks that dirt is just slippery tarmac with the rumble motors in the controller on.





I mean, I admitted that it was marginal for GT6 but each to their own. I know what I think feels more like driving on dirt, you're welcome to your own opinion.

If thinking games are fun is being a fanboy now, then I suppose I'm a fanboy. FH4 was fun. FM7 was fun. I hope GT7 is fun. Am I allowed to be a Forza fanboy and a Polyphony fanboy at the same time? Or is it only one or the other?

Because Gran Turismo definitely doesn't allow you to take supercars on dirt tracks, or slide them down a mountainside (I miss Eiger Norwand), or fling them off huge jumps with no damage (I don't miss Cape Ring). Oh wait, it does all those things because they're...fun. You can do a lot of the same silly stuff in GT that you can in FH and it operates in much the same way, it's just not an open world. Some of the best parts of GT as well, if you ask me.

I'm not arguing that FH is particularly realistic. I'm arguing that GT (and FM by extension) are not particularly realistic either once you start playing them with the same sort of reckless abandon than people play FH with. This is not a bad thing, this is what the games are designed to do. They're all realistic enough if you drive sensibly, but if you do wacky stuff the systems simply can't cope.

It's more that the gameplay of FH encourages wacky stuff to a degree that GT and FM don't, so you don't see the systems breaking in GT and FM to the same extent. But that doesn't mean that they don't all have very similar flaws. Sure, you can split hairs over which one is slightly more accurate than the other, but that seems dumb when there are real simulators easily available. None of these games are ever going to compete with those because that's not their target market.

The target market is people who want to have fun pretending they're a real awesome driver, and apparently people who think that GT/FM is the bestest simulator evar because it says "The Real Driving Simulator" on the box and Kaz said so and I once drove a Civic and it was just like the one in the game and my Dad can beat up your Dad so nyeh.


I know, I'm a heretic. Just burn me now.


IMO, Horizon is the best non-hardcore simulation racing game on the market right now. For GT7 to have a legitimate shot at dethroning that is pretty good. FH5 will be a big deal, we can already see how popular it is. GT7 will be Sony and Polyphony's chance to respond, and it's only good for all of us if it ends up being a better game.

I don't think Motorsport is in the same discussion, honestly. It's an also ran at this stage because Horizon offers such a wider range of experiences that it's just overshadowed, even though on paper it seems closer to the traditional GT formula. It still exists because enough people will pay money for it, but I bet for a lot of casual racers they'd prefer a new Horizon over a new Motorsport. Horizon took over from Motorsport as the big hitter of the Forza range, which is no bad thing.

I suspect this is why they took Motorsport off the regular release cycle for major retooling - the devs could see that Motorsport needed a major overhaul not to become the red-headed step child of the group. Polyphony has a headstart in that respect, GTS was a major rebuild after the weak reception of GT6. Some of it worked, some of it didn't. If they can combine the best of GTS and older GT games with just a little spark of something fresh and new I think they'll stomp Horizon and everything else out there. When Gran Turismo is good it's very, very good.

Sorry but after trying to put FH in the same category of GT i understand where you come from and im not willing to read all the nonsense (FH better phusics than GT6 it's the peak nonsense) .. i thought you were a genuine guy that wantvs to discuss about GT but it turns out you are another forza fanboy. I'll just put you in the ignore list and end it here

 

[ArR29]

Lol, u mad bro? You sound mad. It's not my fault that Polyphony thinks that dirt is just slippery tarmac with the rumble motors in the controller on.





I mean, I admitted that it was marginal for GT6 but each to their own. I know what I think feels more like driving on dirt, you're welcome to your own opinion.

If thinking games are fun is being a fanboy now, then I suppose I'm a fanboy. FH4 was fun. FM7 was fun. I hope GT7 is fun. Am I allowed to be a Forza fanboy and a Polyphony fanboy at the same time? Or is it only one or the other?

Because Gran Turismo definitely doesn't allow you to take supercars on dirt tracks, or slide them down a mountainside (I miss Eiger Norwand), or fling them off huge jumps with no damage (I don't miss Cape Ring). Oh wait, it does all those things because they're...fun. You can do a lot of the same silly stuff in GT that you can in FH and it operates in much the same way, it's just not an open world. Some of the best parts of GT as well, if you ask me.

I'm not arguing that FH is particularly realistic. I'm arguing that GT (and FM by extension) are not particularly realistic either once you start playing them with the same sort of reckless abandon than people play FH with. This is not a bad thing, this is what the games are designed to do. They're all realistic enough if you drive sensibly, but if you do wacky stuff the systems simply can't cope.

It's more that the gameplay of FH encourages wacky stuff to a degree that GT and FM don't, so you don't see the systems breaking in GT and FM to the same extent. But that doesn't mean that they don't all have very similar flaws. Sure, you can split hairs over which one is slightly more accurate than the other, but that seems dumb when there are real simulators easily available. None of these games are ever going to compete with those because that's not their target market.

The target market is people who want to have fun pretending they're a real awesome driver, and apparently people who think that GT/FM is the bestest simulator evar because it says "The Real Driving Simulator" on the box and Kaz said so and I once drove a Civic and it was just like the one in the game and my Dad can beat up your Dad so nyeh.


I know, I'm a heretic. Just burn me now.


IMO, Horizon is the best non-hardcore simulation racing game on the market right now. For GT7 to have a legitimate shot at dethroning that is pretty good. FH5 will be a big deal, we can already see how popular it is. GT7 will be Sony and Polyphony's chance to respond, and it's only good for all of us if it ends up being a better game.

I don't think Motorsport is in the same discussion, honestly. It's an also ran at this stage because Horizon offers such a wider range of experiences that it's just overshadowed, even though on paper it seems closer to the traditional GT formula. It still exists because enough people will pay money for it, but I bet for a lot of casual racers they'd prefer a new Horizon over a new Motorsport. Horizon took over from Motorsport as the big hitter of the Forza range, which is no bad thing.

I suspect this is why they took Motorsport off the regular release cycle for major retooling - the devs could see that Motorsport needed a major overhaul not to become the red-headed step child of the group. Polyphony has a headstart in that respect, GTS was a major rebuild after the weak reception of GT6. Some of it worked, some of it didn't. If they can combine the best of GTS and older GT games with just a little spark of something fresh and new I think they'll stomp Horizon and everything else out there. When Gran Turismo is good it's very, very good.

I honestly don't care about dethroning or anything like that. Don't really care who's the best, or popular. I'm getting too old for that kind of thing. At this point, I just want to drive a honda civic on trial mountain is all, pretty sure most GT fans just want the same thing, GTsport is getting old now. The comparison between GT and Horizon still doesn't make sense to me.

 

[TS050]

just a way to embarrass one another and ruin someone's day.

If you’re letting online console warring ruin your day you gotta go outside

 

[snc]

Lol, u mad bro? You sound mad. It's not my fault that Polyphony thinks that dirt is just slippery tarmac with the rumble motors in the controller on.





I mean, I admitted that it was marginal for GT6 but each to their own. I know what I think feels more like driving on dirt, you're welcome to your own opinion.

If thinking games are fun is being a fanboy now, then I suppose I'm a fanboy. FH4 was fun. FM7 was fun. I hope GT7 is fun. Am I allowed to be a Forza fanboy and a Polyphony fanboy at the same time? Or is it only one or the other?

Because Gran Turismo definitely doesn't allow you to take supercars on dirt tracks, or slide them down a mountainside (I miss Eiger Norwand), or fling them off huge jumps with no damage (I don't miss Cape Ring). Oh wait, it does all those things because they're...fun. You can do a lot of the same silly stuff in GT that you can in FH and it operates in much the same way, it's just not an open world. Some of the best parts of GT as well, if you ask me.

I'm not arguing that FH is particularly realistic. I'm arguing that GT (and FM by extension) are not particularly realistic either once you start playing them with the same sort of reckless abandon than people play FH with. This is not a bad thing, this is what the games are designed to do. They're all realistic enough if you drive sensibly, but if you do wacky stuff the systems simply can't cope.

It's more that the gameplay of FH encourages wacky stuff to a degree that GT and FM don't, so you don't see the systems breaking in GT and FM to the same extent. But that doesn't mean that they don't all have very similar flaws. Sure, you can split hairs over which one is slightly more accurate than the other, but that seems dumb when there are real simulators easily available. None of these games are ever going to compete with those because that's not their target market.

The target market is people who want to have fun pretending they're a real awesome driver, and apparently people who think that GT/FM is the bestest simulator evar because it says "The Real Driving Simulator" on the box and Kaz said so and I once drove a Civic and it was just like the one in the game and my Dad can beat up your Dad so nyeh.


I know, I'm a heretic. Just burn me now.


IMO, Horizon is the best non-hardcore simulation racing game on the market right now. For GT7 to have a legitimate shot at dethroning that is pretty good. FH5 will be a big deal, we can already see how popular it is. GT7 will be Sony and Polyphony's chance to respond, and it's only good for all of us if it ends up being a better game.

I don't think Motorsport is in the same discussion, honestly. It's an also ran at this stage because Horizon offers such a wider range of experiences that it's just overshadowed, even though on paper it seems closer to the traditional GT formula. It still exists because enough people will pay money for it, but I bet for a lot of casual racers they'd prefer a new Horizon over a new Motorsport. Horizon took over from Motorsport as the big hitter of the Forza range, which is no bad thing.

I suspect this is why they took Motorsport off the regular release cycle for major retooling - the devs could see that Motorsport needed a major overhaul not to become the red-headed step child of the group. Polyphony has a headstart in that respect, GTS was a major rebuild after the weak reception of GT6. Some of it worked, some of it didn't. If they can combine the best of GTS and older GT games with just a little spark of something fresh and new I think they'll stomp Horizon and everything else out there. When Gran Turismo is good it's very, very good.

imho fh5 is totaly different kind of game, many people like it but generaly hate driving on real tracks, different target, gt7 concurent will be ofcourse new forza motorsport btw sad they close evolution studio as driveclub was more arcade like horizon, they could make driveclub 2 with open world

 

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Honestly no new news about GT7 make people go crazy. I pray to Kaz and PD, show us atleast one frame of the new track in "expected" date.