Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Will Once]

I play games to escapes real life.

Just like I could never dream of owning a fxxk in real life unless I hit the jackpot, imagine all the fun I'm having also not being able to own the car in a game just like in real life.

I got my fxxk a couple of days ago. Feels good. Really good. A combination of luck at the roulette and the credits I'd earned.

Would it have felt as good if I'd been able to buy it months ago? Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. PD's view is that making things hard to get makes us value them more. I don't know.

In a few days I'm going to pick up the Vulcan. Is that going to feel good? You betcha. Same question applies - would it have felt better if I'd had it months back? I am not so sure.

I play games to experience a little bit of a life I can't afford. Being invited to buy a hyper-rare car is a part of that life.

 

[the_D_]

I got my fxxk a couple of days ago. Feels good. Really good. A combination of luck at the roulette and the credits I'd earned.

Would it have felt as good if I'd been able to buy it months ago? Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. PD's view is that making things hard to get makes us value them more. I don't know.

In a few days I'm going to pick up the Vulcan. Is that going to feel good? You betcha. Same question applies - would it have felt better if I'd had it months back? I am not so sure.

I play games to experience a little bit of a life I can't afford. Being invited to buy a hyper-rare car is a part of that life.

Its a game, we pay for the game outright up front, then we get to experience not being able to afford the same things we never will in real life, how's that for escapism

 

[Galvston]

No they're not, and, no it's not. The car valuation service isn't complex, it's just a variable pulling prices up or down. It's not bad, but it isn't creative and it still manages to be restrictive for no reason beyond controlling player behaviour.

The invitation system operates with the sole purpose of creating small windows of opportunity for players to obtain cars encouranging them to do what they can to get that car before the invite expires. It might not be too bad if the invitations were not only obtainable by sheer luck through the random ticket rewards, but I guess that's kinda creative too.

I guarantee I wouldn't, it's a stupid system designed to push FOMO and MTX's (regardless of if it compells any one person specifically to either or not).

It's nothing like this IRL, I've never, ever, ever, heard of someone winning an invitation to buy a car from Ferrari through a random prize raffle that comes anywhere close to how it is in GT7. In real life, some cars are invitation to buy, but it's usually people with good relationships with the brand who often own a large number of their vehicles.

If they imitated real life where you became a loyal customer to a certain brand by driving/owning enough of their cars and therefore they opened the door to you buying their more exclusive models, then I'd be absolutely fine with that.

Even then, they still tend to appear on the used car market eventually where it's just a case of "if you've got the cash".

If you're going to tow the "people just like to complain" line you really shouldn't focus your attention on complaints about the invitation tickets, they are quicte simpy a terribly designed feature from a game play perspective.

Yeah, I simplified it. It should have been like irl I was trying to say. Like you buy a lot of ferraris and you win an invitation to buy the FXX K, but I didn't pay attention to writing the comment so it came out like that.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Its a game, we pay for the game outright up front, then we get to experience not being able to afford the same things we never will in real life, how's that for escapism

I once had an E30 320i, an E24 635CSi and an E28 528i at the same time. I could barely afford to drive the E30 whilst the other two were parked up. The most amount of money I've spent on buying a single car is £5200. Insurance and fuel costs have literally been crippling at points and in 20+ years I've sold exactly ONE car, and precisely no cars I've owned have been tracked whilst under my ownership.

In GT7 I have 200 cars, including many that cost more money than I've ever earned, and most, if not all, cost more than I've ever spent on a car. I pounded the 'ring hard (oo-er) in many of them. And it costs me bugger all to own them.

Let's not pretend GT7 isn't escapism just because some of it is difficult.

 

[Bazool]

Well, they kinda do that anyway every time you fire up GT.

I kid... kinda sorta...

You've never had it so good ! 👈(exclamation mark)

 

[Team THRT Drift]

Speaking of mileage.... they still haven't included free run lobbies in the mileage calculations like they did for GTSport.

 

[the_D_]

I once had an E30 320i, an E24 635CSi and an E28 528i at the same time. I could barely afford to drive the E30 whilst the other two were parked up. The most amount of money I've spent on buying a single car is £5200. Insurance and fuel costs have literally been crippling at points and in 20+ years I've sold exactly ONE car, and precisely no cars I've owned have been tracked whilst under my ownership.

In GT7 I have 200 cars, including many that cost more money than I've ever earned, and most, if not all, cost more than I've ever spent on a car. I pounded the 'ring hard (oo-er) in many of them. And it costs me bugger all to own them.

Let's not pretend GT7 isn't escapism just because some of it is difficult.

All of that, and in no way does any of it make the slightest bit of difference to the fact that its a game I've already paid for.
Oh, and none of it is difficult, quite the opposite. But in principle, keeping in 'GAME' pricing of cars to reflect reality is literally anti-escapism, lets not pretend otherwise.

 

[MatskiMonk]

All of that, and in no way does any of it make the slightest bit of difference to the fact that its a game I've already paid for.

What's your point? Is it that you should have unconditional access to all the content? If so, I'm sorry for you that you didn't know what you were buying. Perhaps next time, research is on order, that way you can take responsibility for your purchases, like an adult.

Oh, and none of it is difficult, quite the opposite

So buying an FXX-K is easy? @Chikane_GTR what are you playing at... ???

But in principle, keeping in 'GAME' pricing of cars to reflect reality is literally anti-escapism, lets not pretend otherwise.

**** off. Tell me the following values:

Your GT7 garage value
Your real life garage value
Your real life earnings over the last 10 months
your GT7 earnings over the last 10 months

... ?

 

[Suzuki-Cara]

The guy who didn't show up:

I guess we know who came in last at the Type R event. VTEC never kicked in. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Mathaios_C]

But the journalists and youtubers are getting a special code to review GT7 in vr? Or they need to wait that the patch goes live like every one else? And if they release the patch next week?

 

[Sezu]

legendary hotwheels designer Mark Jones shared a photo on instagram showing the Hotwheels Vision Gran Turismo Concept Sketch that didn't make it out of the drawing board


we previously had a glimpse of this thing

 

[Dave A]

So buying an FXX-K is easy? @Chikane_GTR what are you playing at... ???

Yes, it's very easy, you just win it in a ticket or you win an invitation to buy it in a ticket, it's completley random and requires zero skill whatsoever.

Time waiting for random luck to gift you what you want is not difficult, it's just tedious.

And that's the problem with GT7, the game isn't hard, there's a small number of hard missions, license tests etc. which reward you peanuts, but the bulk of the game is unchallenging but requires you keep at it over and over and over and over just waiting for sheer luck to cast favour on you or grind the credits to buy an LCD car you've so skillfully waited 3 months for to appear in the dealership.

Time alone does not = dificult, nor does spending a long time doing the dialy martathon every day. That's comitted, poor use to time perhaps, but not difficult.

 

[Nathan88]

But the journalists and youtubers are getting a special code to review GT7 in vr? Or they need to wait that the patch goes live like every one else? And if they release the patch next week?

No one is really saying anything at the moment, but it does seem there are some unexpected extras in the package.

 

[the_D_]

What's your point? Is it that you should have unconditional access to all the content? If so, I'm sorry for you that you didn't know what you were buying. Perhaps next time, research is on order, that way you can take responsibility for your purchases, like an adult.


So buying an FXX-K is easy? @Chikane_GTR what are you playing at... ???


**** off. Tell me the following values:

Your GT7 garage value
Your real life garage value
Your real life earnings over the last 10 months
your GT7 earnings over the last 10 months

... ?

Again, all that, and literally nothing of substance, but then you know that already. And to tell me to **** off? (Moderators?) I think you just like reading your own posts, you epitomize the definition of the keyboard warrior

 

[Techlet]

So buying an FXX-K is easy? @Chikane_GTR what are you playing at... ???

What skill component is required in getting a Ferrari invite ticket from the roulette wheel?

If we want to compare GT to IRL, did Porsche release the Carrera GT as a raffle ticket? Did Ferrari with the FXX-K? Did Pagani? Bugatti? In real life, you could also buy these cars second hand if you had the means. In GT7, we have the UCD, the LCD, a convoluted player car sale feature and none of them link together to enable that aspect of car ownership.

Maybe some special cars should require some skill to acquire in a game, but is RNG skill dependent?

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Changing the subject one thing gt7 has done for me is make me appreciate and like the early 90s group c cars. The Mazda 787b and that rotary engine may just be the best sound I have ever heard.

Here's a video of Brands Hatch 1988


In gt7 we have.

787B 1991
R92CP 1992
962 C 1988
Sauber C9 1989
XJR-9 1988

Is that all of them or are there some missing?

 

[Dave A]

Changing the subject one thing gt7 has done for me is make me appreciate and like the early 90s group c cars. The Mazda 787b and that rotary engine may just be the best sound I have ever heard.

Here's a video of Brands Hatch 1988


In gt7 we have.

787B 1991
R92CP 1992
962 C 1988
Sauber C9 1989
XJR-9 1988

Is that all of them or are there some missing?

There were loads of Group C cars not featured in GT7, not to GT7's detriment, they have most of the more well known and successful ones, but Group C ran for a while and was very popular in it's day. There's a pretty comprehensive list of Group C racing cars here:

List of Group C sports cars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tired Tyres]

What skill component is required in getting a Ferrari invite ticket from the roulette wheel?

If we want to compare GT to IRL, did Porsche release the Carrera GT as a raffle ticket? Did Ferrari with the FXX-K? Did Pagani? Bugatti?

Maybe some special cars should require some skill to acquire in a game, but is RNG skill dependent?

First you need to design a time machine and use it to go back in time to the point we got all the invites at the same time. See? skill.

 

[Techlet]

Changing the subject one thing gt7 has done for me is make me appreciate and like the early 90s group c cars. The Mazda 787b and that rotary engine may just be the best sound I have ever heard.

Here's a video of Brands Hatch 1988


In gt7 we have.

787B 1991
R92CP 1992
962 C 1988
Sauber C9 1989
XJR-9 1988

Is that all of them or are there some missing?

The Toyota 88C-V and the Peugeot 905 are the most conspicuous omissions.

 

[Tired Tyres]

The Toyota 88C-V and the Peugeot 905 are the most conspicuous omissions.

And the AMR Aston.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

There were loads of Group C cars not featured in GT7, not to GT7's detriment, they have most of the more well known and successful ones, but Group C ran for a while and was very popular in it's day. There's a pretty comprehensive list of Group C racing cars here:

List of Group C sports cars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wow I didn't expect to see brands like Lamborghini, Lancia and Ford and Aston Martin were part of group c racing.

Really interesting stuff thanks for posting that link @Dave A


This Aston Martin is beautiful.

And so its the Lamborghini.

 

[Nathan88]

In terms of Group C cars with competition success, the most obvious omissions are the World Championship winning '90 Mercedes C11, '91 Jaguar XJR-14, '92 Peugeot 905B. Other notable ommisions are the Le Mans pole winning '90 Nissan R90C & '92 Toyota TS010.

I'd honestly be happy just to get different aero options for Group C cars already in GT7.

 

[tankuroded]

The Toyota 88C-V and the Peugeot 905 are the most conspicuous omissions.

There's also the R89C.

 

[ScottPuss20]

I honestly think the invitations thing should be scrapped.

I think so too. If you have the money, you should buy whatever you want and not have to wait for an arbitrary invitation.

 

[Boxster]

I think so too. If you have the money, you should buy whatever you want and not have to wait for an arbitrary invitation.

Or they can make the invitations the reward for winning a race or completing some tasks.

 

[VinylRichie]

Its a game, we pay for the game outright up front, then we get to experience not being able to afford the same things we never will in real life, how's that for escapism

It is escapism like any other game, you dive into a different world, in this case the automotive world, and this feature is part of it. We could argue about how good or bad it’s implemented, the principles are the same as in any other game.
Would you argument in the same way when it comes to games like an RPG for example, in which your chance to obtain some rare items is like one in a million or even less? You paid for the game but it’s very hard to get to experience all the content

 

[Techlet]

Would you argument in the same way when it comes to games like an RPG for example, in which your chance to obtain some rare items is like one in a million or even less? You paid for the game but it’s very hard to get to experience all the content

Yes? It's a boring and repetitive way to pad out a game's length where it eventually devolves into a grind optimization simulator. The community around loot RPGs and gacha games and the like do little else but complain about abysmal drop rates.

At least in most of those RPGs you're not limited to only one chance per day to obtain that item.

 

[p78]

Here's a thought, PD didn't update because he knows we holding on to our engine ticket, and he doesn't want us to get a second chance.

 

[suomi1]

The Toyota 88C-V and the Peugeot 905 are the most conspicuous omissions.

I would say the Toyota 88C is more relevant for Gran Turismo than for Toyota's ability to deliver in Group C. The TS010 is more interessant when it comes to shine. Even if I don't like late Group C cars (the Peugeot 905 coming first in that list)....

Why? More for what was the goal behind the new regulation (kill endurance and Le Mans), than for what they were as pure track beasts.

Other than that, let's not forget about Lancia and its LC2 Martini. And of course, privateers like Rondeau, Spice and Tiga.

 

[Baka_Marimo]

The game just gave me a birthday gift car but it's actually still another week until my birthday. Is this normal? I know that I definitely entered my birthdate correctly when setting up my PSN account.