Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

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Nakano219
So, looking forward a bit, GTWS Milan is on the exact date you'd expect standard silhouettes for the next update to get posted.

What do we think, expecting any cross-pollination there or just unrelated scheduling?
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I can potentially see one of two things... Update gets dropped the week of the GTWS (silhouettes get dropped the weekend of the 15th or 16th of May) or PD skips the month of May entirely
 
Thinking about the current group system and it's potential effects on the selection of race cars we have, and am wondering at what point do DTM cars go from Gr. 3 -> Gr. 2?

We know that the early-mid 90s Class 1 cars are Gr.4, and the more modern Class 1 cars are Gr. 2, so would the early 00's cars be Gr. 3 along with the equivalent GT500 cars? And if so, would they become GR.2 at the same time as GT500, circa the middle of the decade? Or would the 2012 Rule Set overhaul signal the change?

Jeez, for what is meant to see such a simple classification system, figuring out the Gr. format is such a headache :boggled:
 
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I think the Gr. format only worked with GT Sport and (mostly) clearly defined categories between Prototypes, Super GTs, and GT3 cars.

Honestly I think the only way to fix such a system is just straight up organizing them by racing series--Forza has (or had--don't know how it is in FM23) their R1, R2, R3 classifications that basically fell victim to the same situation, and you can't really do it by PP either since GT3 cars vary wildly by performance. And we all remember how you could use GT500 cars against top flight race cars in Gran Turismo 3 because they were so overpowered.
 
The DTM and Super GT 2016 and beyond cars have unrealistic performance. There's no way an RS5 DTM should be faster around a track than an R18, which is what the PP system implies.

The boost in aero these cars got in January 2025(?) broke them against the other Gr.2 cars, making WTC 900 unbalanced.
 
Gerarghini
I think the Gr. format only worked with GT Sport and (mostly) clearly defined categories between Prototypes, Super GTs, and GT3 cars.

Honestly I think the only way to fix such a system is just straight up organizing them by racing series--Forza has (or had--don't know how it is in FM23) their R1, R2, R3 classifications that basically fell victim to the same situation, and you can't really do it by PP either since GT3 cars vary wildly by performance. And we all remember how you could use GT500 cars against top flight race cars in Gran Turismo 3 because they were so overpowered.
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The problem with this is you absolutely need Gr.3 to be wider than just GT3 cars for Manufacturers Cup purposes, it's why the category system exists. PD aren't going to go to Alfa Romeo or Mitsubishi and say "you don't have a GT3 car so you don't get to be in our esports".

And if the esports stop mattering in future games... why have the categories at all at that point? Gran Turismo isn't made better by restricting racing cars to only racing against cars they raced against in real life.
 
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Nakano219
And if the esports stop mattering in future games... why have the categories at all at that point? Gran Turismo isn't made better by restricting racing cars to only racing against cars they raced against in real life.
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I agree, though I do wonder how much manufacturer input we'll have in 2027 versus what we had in 2017--to this date, we still don't have a Bugatti Gr. 3 :grumpy: inb4 mocked up Bugatti-liveried Beetle :lol:
 
Gerarghini
I agree, though I do wonder how much manufacturer input we'll have in 2027 versus what we had in 2017--to this date, we still don't have a Bugatti Gr. 3 :grumpy: inb4 mocked up Bugatti-liveried Beetle :lol:
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Not just that, but you'd think with manus cup being one of their top dogs, they would add some eligible cars for some of the more recently introduced brands, mainly thinking Volvo and Skoda. Also throw in Opel to the mix now that we have them. But all 3 haven't had any new cars whatsoever since their introduction. Do these particular manufacturers not care about the Manus cup? :confused:

PD is strange
 
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GTvsForza
So... how long does it take for the In-Depth Mastery Trophy to trigger? I just finished my 50th Sport race.
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It's never been entirely on the ball, and sometimes pops a couple of races late, although a lot of people think the "50" counter is finishes when it's actually starts and the trophy only recognises finishes.
 
Speaking of trophies, the other night I got one of the "Going the Distance Together" trophies even though I never race online. Looked it up and it seems that anything with a leaderboard, such as missions, counts towards the "Together" trophies.
 
Not for nothing, but why can't PD just restrict Gr.3 to GT3 cars? Do any of the manufacturers that don't have race cars really care?
Renault don't race in GT3, Audi is soon to be out, Honda(I think only one team in the world race an NSX). Nissan out and so on and so on.

Do Bugatti care? They can't even get exposure with the Gr.4 category since it looks like Gr.4 is dead on the GT world stage.

I think it matters how many in game cars are sold over the exposure of the GT3 brands in GTWS. Surely PD could announce only real GT3 cars will run. There was a Gran Turismo 7 competition that had only a handful of brands in an eSport race last year.
 
I mean one of my personal favourite Gr.3 cars is neither real nor used in the GT World Series:
The Peugeot RCZ.
I like that cars such as that can exist in the world of Gran Turismo. Makes the game a bit more unique compared to other franchises, and can be a fun look into an "ideal motorsport fantasy" where more manufacturers are involved than there are in reality.

I do however also see the argument of only limiting a race to real cars, or a more specific roster based on a real life category & era, for more of an immersive experience compared to the broader Group system.
That sort of thing is quite commonly enforced manually by independent racing leagues, which I'd recommend as a Sport Mode alternative.

GT7 Leagues & Online Racing

Find others to race online with and organize leagues in Gran Turismo 7.
www.gtplanet.net www.gtplanet.net
There's room in the game for both real & fictional cars, and depending on player preference they can choose what they want to include or restrict.
 
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Not for nothing, but why can't PD just restrict Gr.3 to GT3 cars? Do any of the manufacturers that don't have race cars really care?
Renault don't race in GT3, Audi is soon to be out, Honda(I think only one team in the world race an NSX). Nissan out and so on and so on.

Do Bugatti care? They can't even get exposure with the Gr.4 category since it looks like Gr.4 is dead on the GT world stage.

I think it matters how many in game cars are sold over the exposure of the GT3 brands in GTWS. Surely PD could announce only real GT3 cars will run. There was a Gran Turismo 7 competition that had only a handful of brands in an eSport race last year.
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That would be a boring grid.

Aston Martin, BMW, Chevrolet, Ferrari, Ford, Lamborghini, Lexus (only until the end of this year), McLaren, Mercedes, Porsche, Toyota (from next year).

Less than a dozen cars to pick from and quite a few are outdated models.
 
Fezzik
That would be a boring grid.

Aston Martin, BMW, Chevrolet, Ferrari, Ford, Lamborghini, Lexus (only until the end of this year), McLaren, Mercedes, Porsche, Toyota (from next year).

Less than a dozen cars to pick from and quite a few are outdated models.
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If the racing is good, shouldn't be boring. I get that more variety is preferable for enthusiasts.

I remember those Sport Mode races where it'd just be one car that everyone used. Wasn't so much boring than annoying. :lol:

Anyway, I praised PD for including cars that weren't even a GT car in the real world yet. Adding all of the manufacturers for players to choose was cool. I don't mind if they're kept in future games, but making it more like a Super GT GT300 grid might be better in terms of visuals sake.

Then the Subaru BRZ, Gr.3 Supra, GT-R, etc. make more sense to see racing together.
 
Question, but how much input do the manufacturers have when PD hosts the Manufacturer's Cup? Wouldn't you think that, if they cared that much, that they'd force/ask PD to represent their brand using their latest race cars (or fictional Gr. 3 equivalent)? I chose Hyundai for the Manufacturer's Cup and wasn't allowed to choose the Genesis Gr.4 anymore--makes sense, but I wonder if it's a decision by PD or Hyundai to "force" the player into the newest car, which is kinda jank because of the difference between FF Elantra and FR Genesis Coupe.

There's also the question of why there are certain brands that aren't represented. Alpine, arguably very popular right now thanks to F1, doesn't participate (but Renault does, even though they themselves have positioned Alpine as their motorsports department). Suzuki is the only brand I can think of that could think of that technically couldn't/shouldn't've been able to participate because they only had the Swift to start out with until the VGT Gr.3 came along.
 

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