Gran Turismo - Open World Freeroam? (Read OP)

[Ronald6]

I see it as more of a "responsible and able driver" city rather than a street racer city.

The 'Ring in RL is a toll road, right? Where the drivers are expected to know what they are doing and have vehicles that can maintain the pace.

So, as part of GT World, have a city where the civilian drivers (AI) are expected to be competent and skilled, but not "street racers."

On each side of the city would be a different type of track, random (snow, tarmac, gravel), city courses, world circuits and original. The city would link them like a hub.

So many ideas, so little space.

 

[Earth]

No, see here's the thing: Forza isn't "adding" free roam to their game. They are coming out with an entirely separate release for it. If PD wants to create a separate game from the main GT series with free roam to compete with F:H, then I wouldn't care. But adding it to GT6 just doesn't make sense. I think Turn 10 realized the same for Forza, and that's why they are splitting them apart.

Maybe thats why Horizon is a separate game, maybe not. It could be a separate game because Forza 5 is not ready. It could be a separate game because it would require multiple DVD discs if bundled with Forza 5. It could be a separate game because Turn 10 wants profits from a full price standalone title instead of bundling the mode with a full Forza game. Besides a free roam mode for GT5 doesnt have to be as fleshed out as Horizon. We dont need all the bells and whistles it has.

As analog mentioned GT's motto is "The Drive of Your Life" and "The Real Driving Simulator". How does freeroam not fit in that motto? Notice neither motto mentions racing. At all.

Driving a car on a cruise and racing it against competitors are two separate things. Both can be very enjoyable. We already have racing, so why not let us just drive our cars? Of course you will say you can drive them on the game's circuits, but circuits are for racing. Not cruising.

When its a nice day and you want to go driving do you say hey, let's head down to the local track? OK maybe if you want to go fast. But other times, most of the time, you will want to go cruising around a beautiful area near you. There isn't a racetrack near me, but even if there was I doubt I would choose to go there during a beautiful day over a very nice and twisty tree covered hill climb and descent a few miles away from me

Members like Zuku, me, and many others want a way to spend more time with their favorite cars. Free roam offers that as traditional racing has too many restrictions to allow us to use any car we want at any time.

 

[Zuku]

@ Ronald6

I see that as well, but if we were to have any drag racing let it take place on highway late night if they include a day and night cycle for this "GT City"(I coined that word so don't take it from me PD).

I mean people already drag race online at SSR7 right now, but again let it take place at nighttime only. Otherwise during the day have it at the Track.

I can't help, but to think this might lead to a bit of a story mode though. They did mention Kaz liked the idea if I'm not mistaken.

 

[JBanton]

There should be an autobahn type of road, where you can really push your car to the max. And then, for when you're driving off on the main roads, cruise control.
Joined the group by the way, I think it's a great idea.

Some good high speed areas are a must

I was playing GTA TBoGT last night and just pushing a Sultan TR aound the city whilst blaring out some good in-game driving music, I drove around the city, the airport and the seaside tracks for a good hour or so until I left my car momentarily and it despawned

Whilst driving around I thought to myself how awesome it would be to do this with Gran Turismo cars, physics and without annoying helicopters trying to destroy you.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Gran Turismo was always a track racing game, if you want an free roam game, go to a NFS forum and ask for better physics, I dont really see the point of it in GT. It's not the type of the game and I hope it wont become like that.

 

[JBanton]

Gran Turismo was always a track racing game, if you want an free roam game, go to a NFS forum and ask for better physics, I dont really see the point of it in GT. It's not the type of the game and I hope it wont become like that.

And if the open world free-roam was a separate title?

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

If it's a separate title why not but I dont think the console hold the power to let you have an open free world big enough to be interesting and have good physics and graphics. Driver is a bit like that but you can see that they have to do choose between stuff to give you a title with free-roam.

I'll check forza horizon and see how it is, it should be pretty near.

 

[Earth]

Gran Turismo was always a track racing game, if you want an free roam game, go to a NFS forum and ask for better physics, I dont really see the point of it in GT. It's not the type of the game and I hope it wont become like that.

Gran Turismo taglines

"The Real Driving Simulator"

"The Drive of your Life"

So what part of that says they can't expand to free roam?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

If it's a separate title why not but I dont think the console hold the power to let you have an open free world big enough to be interesting and have good physics and graphics. Driver is a bit like that but you can see that they have to do choose between stuff to give you a title with free-roam.

I'll check forza horizon and see how it is, it should be pretty near.

You're from a country which banned motorsports; why do you care about race tracks or not? Oh, the irony.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

You're from a country which banned motorsports; why do you care about race tracks or not? Oh, the irony.

Because You think I'm the one that decide that ? Seriously.

And you seems to think that since we dont have tracks, we dont care about race tracks racing, so what about Sebastien Buemi, Tom Lüthi, Alain Menu, Sebastien Grosjean, Dominique Aegerter and oh the 2012 Le mans winner Marcel Fassler ? What about Sauber also ? You realize they are all from my country ? Last time I check they are all racing on tracks.

 

[JBanton]

And then they drive to their hotel or drive home, if they aren't driven that is...

 

[JBanton]

Because You think I'm the one that decide that ? Seriously.

And you seems to think that since we dont have tracks, we dont care about race tracks racing, so what about Sebastien Buemi, Tom Lüthi, Alain Menu, Sebastien Grosjean, Dominique Aegerter and oh the 2012 Le mans winner Marcel Fassler ? What about Sauber also ? You realize they are all from my country ? Last time I check they are all racing on tracks.

Except that they also drive on roads as well.

Putting that aside, how many places in the world can you push your car to its' limits without breaking the law, I know the free-roam wouldn't compare to real life but it's a start no?

 

[kevboi]

I don't see the point, in my opinion Forza Horizon looks like its going to be awful from what i have seen (unless you like your arcade racing) i would much rather GT focused on giving us more events rather than spending loads of time on just making us able to cruise around aimlessly - isn't that what games such as burnout NFS etc are for?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Because You think I'm the one that decide that ? Seriously.

And you seems to think that since we dont have tracks, we dont care about race tracks racing, so what about Sebastien Buemi, Tom Lüthi, Alain Menu, Sebastien Grosjean, Dominique Aegerter and oh the 2012 Le mans winner Marcel Fassler ? What about Sauber also ? You realize they are all from my country ? Last time I check they are all racing on tracks.

Ja, I do. However, I also realize that none of those tracks are in Switzerland, and Alain Ménu and all of those other drivers you mentioned are definitely training outside of Switzerland. If motorsports are illegal in your country, and cars are not legal if upgraded, and Lamborghinis and other supercars are "too loud" and illegal, I don't really understand where those drivers are getting their talents from. Oh, wait, yes I do: Monza, Monaco, Le Mans, Imola, Circuit Paul Ricard... ALL IN FRANCE OR ITALY. Or, if not, maybe they're training at the 'Ring, in Germany? Switzerland's langweilig.

 

[Flaco13]

Enough fascim for now! Guys this is GTP not Whitepower.de so please get a grip.

But speaking of germany, the Autobahn, although it has sections without speed limit isn't better suited for high speed than any other Highway systems in the world. It's just the only place that still has those unlimited sections.

The idea MrMelancholy15 had was pretty much what I said before(though I didn't know the Routes were actually based on real roads in the Tokyo area). Yet, that exactly could turn out to become a licensing issue if it was to be part of a free-roam concept. Hope I'm wrong though.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Enough fascim for now! Guys this is GTP not Whitepower.de so please get a grip.

But speaking of germany, the Autobahn, although it has sections without speed limit isn't better suited for high speed than any other Highway systems in the world. It's just the only place that still has those unlimited sections.

The idea MrMelancholy15 had was pretty much what I said before(though I didn't know the Routes were actually based on real roads in the Tokyo area). Yet, that exactly could turn out to become a licensing issue if it was to be part of a free-roam concept. Hope I'm wrong though.

Ummm, because PD had problems with Madrid, London, Tokyo R246, Special Stages, Clubman Stage Route 5 etc.?


Also, I'm just saying that the guy from Switzerland doesn't really have a good point. I'm actually more of a communist than a fascist. Go red.

 

[1241Penguin]

I don't see the point, in my opinion Forza Horizon looks like its going to be awful from what i have seen (unless you like your arcade racing) i would much rather GT focused on giving us more events rather than spending loads of time on just making us able to cruise around aimlessly - isn't that what games such as burnout NFS etc are for?

What else can you foresee in the future? I know most people can't tell whether an unreleased game is good or not.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

What else can you foresee in the future? I know most people can't tell whether an unreleased game is good or not.

Anyone who knows the Forza franchise knows that damage is the most irritating thing in that game. It allows cars to continue (at 10 km/h or less) to crash into cars that are still circulating online. Now, imagine that carnage with traffic in both directions. Then, mix with dubstep (I only like chillstep) and it generally seems to suck.

 

[pl-destroy]

Would love to see a separate GT Roam sim, TDU is too arcade to fully enjoy.

 

[Omegator24V]

Ja, I do. However, I also realize that none of those tracks are in Switzerland, and Alain Ménu and all of those other drivers you mentioned are definitely training outside of Switzerland. If motorsports are illegal in your country, and cars are not legal if upgraded, and Lamborghinis and other supercars are "too loud" and illegal, I don't really understand where those drivers are getting their talents from. Oh, wait, yes I do: Monza, Monaco, Le Mans, Imola, Circuit Paul Ricard... ALL IN FRANCE OR ITALY. Or, if not, maybe they're training at the 'Ring, in Germany? Switzerland's langweilig.

Interesting... Where do you get all that information from..? Disn't know, upgades and Lambos were illegal! ^^

But on topic: A Freeroam World with GT physics would be cool! -I'd buy that!
If it's technically possible, is not for me to decide...
Title of the Game could be "GT - Swiss Edition!" Since Switzerland has no Racetracks! ;-D

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Interesting... Where do you get all that information from..? Disn't know, upgades and Lambos were illegal! ^^

But on topic: A Freeroam World with GT physics would be cool! -I'd buy that!
If it's technically possible, is not for me to decide...
Title of the Game could be "GT - Swiss Edition!" Since Switzerland has no Racetracks! ;-D

"Deutsch Projekt an der Schweiz" school project. We study the countries which speak German, and the differences in dialect and culture. The differences between Rheinland-Pfalz and "der Schweiz" are huge. In Switzerland, apparently, you guys don't use the "Präteritum?" Therefore, "ich hatte" would make no sense in Switzerland?

 

[Omegator24V]

"Deutsch Projekt an der Schweiz" school project. We study the countries which speak German, and the differences in dialect and culture. The differences between Rheinland-Pfalz and "der Schweiz" are huge. In Switzerland, apparently, you guys don't use the "Präteritum?" Therefore, "ich hatte" would make no sense in Switzerland?

No, we don't... At least not in Swiss-(German). Actually, there is no "wrong" in Swiss-German. But "Amtssprache" is regular German. (and 3 others!)

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

No, we don't... At least not in Swiss-(German). Actually, there is no "wrong" in Swiss-German. But "Amtssprache" is regular German. (and 3 others!)

And you're from Aargau? That should be interesting... I, being a car guy to the very core, don't really have plans to do much in Switzerland, but, if ever I need to do banking, get chocolate, or see the Alps (Rheinland-Pfalz is in the "Eifel" Mountains,) I'll definitely hear the differences in the languages.


But, you mean that there are no "mistakes" in Swiss German?

Also, meinen Sie, dass es können keine Fehler gemacht werden? Wenn man hätte ,,ich kann tun es" oder etw. mit Englischer Grammatik, man hätte Rechts gehabt?

 

[Omegator24V]

But, you mean that there are no "mistakes" in Swiss German?

Since there's isn't really an "official" Swiss-German langueage, yes!
It's all really a dialect... Like in Germany "Sächsisch" or "Schwäbisch or "Pältzerisch".
Official Languages in Switzerland are German, French, Italian and Roman (?!?) -Räthromanisch!

-Yes i life close to Aarau...
And the Tuning community is quite large around here!

But we should get back on topic, i think! If you do have some questions, feel free to PM me!
(@ Mods: Sorry for the OT!)

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Since there's isn't really an "official" Swiss-German langueage, yes!
It's all really a dialect... Like in Germany "Sächsisch" or "Schwäbisch or "Pältzerisch".
Official Languages in Switzerland are German, French, Italian and Roman (?!?) -Rätoromanisch!

It's quite interesting, seeing that Rätoromanisch written, and hearing it spoken. I've never heard it spoken, yet, but... I've heard Google übersetzt...

-Yes i life close to Aarau...
And the Tuning community is quite large around here!

Maybe that's specific to your canton.

But we should get back on topic, i think! If you do have some questions, feel free to PM me!
(@ Mods: Sorry for the OT!)

And back on topic. I think I wrapped up our discussion about Switzerland there.


About the Freeroam, I would support it, as long as it didn't destroy other tracks. I, personally, (as the sort of guy who believes ONLY in sanctioned racing) would prefer having WAY more tracks (Mid-Field Raceway!! Apricot Hill!!) than an open city. If they could manage all of that, and I could take photos of random, open city stuff, that'd be pretty cool.


I can imagine a mode with pedestrians, traffic laws and such, for the people who try to recreate that at Le Mans (despite only having 1 road, and at most 16 cars) and for photographers to take photos, while, for example, at a red light, calling it "waiting for the green" etc.


But, I'd prefer having tracks, and a premium Toyota Soarer SC400, over just driving about...

 

[Flaco13]

Ummm, because PD had problems with Madrid, London, Tokyo R246, Special Stages, Clubman Stage Route 5 etc.?


Also, I'm just saying that the guy from Switzerland doesn't really have a good point. I'm actually more of a communist than a fascist. Go red.

I don't know if they had any problems, because they are closed circuits. I'm just saying if they would put them all together plus add some more roads they might be facing issues. Driver has had those kind of problems, they want to call their cities after existing ones, yet, except for parts of the road sceme, it is all fictional.

You can't model the city with all the real locations that are there, yet PD tends to do exactly that, as we can see at Tokio, London and Madrid. (Could aswell be another reason for the long development time they needed).

@Omegator24v: "Pältzerisch" is not correct. The german word for this dialect the people in Palatinate speak is: "Pfälzisch" and in the said dialect its "Pälzisch"

 

[Omegator24V]

Thanx for correcting, Flaco!
I've never been to Pälzer-Gebiet yet... Only Saarland! ^^

 

[Raitziger]

Yes why not. GT should have a real terrain editor to make this really work.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Thanx for correcting, Flaco!
I've never been to Pälzer-Gebiet yet... Only Saarland! ^^

Ummm, Pälzer-Gebiet? That sounds a lot like where I'm from. And, then, there's the crazy half-French neighbours from Saarland. (If anyone here played the game "the Saboteur," they'd understand.)

 

[steve30x]

Briiliant Idea. Lets copy FORZA Horizon