Grip Bug Thread v2

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by GT_Alex74, Jan 13, 2018.

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  1. Rinsky

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    They should at least let you all know something. A few people put alot of time and effort into researching and working on this issue and then made sure this information got into the right hands. I think PD owe's you that.

    On One hand I feel bad for the people who didn't know they had the bug and I'm talking about the ones outside the top 10.
    The other ones who were smashing records had to know without a doubt something was not working right. You just don't become God in GT over night and start beating everyone. Even the best players lose from time to time. Those cries fall on deaf ears.
     
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  2. vvise

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    the salt is amazing
     
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    They let us know as much as they were allowed to, I think you'll find that all the details will be confidential.
     
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    Yeah I wouldn't ask or expect anyone to share that information if it was even given to those who deserve it. I just think it would be a nice gesture on PD's part to reward those who rightfully deserve it.
     
  5. Spurgy 777

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    I meant the details of exactly what caused it will be confidential to PD staff only, telling someone who hasn't signed a confidentiality agreement would probably be a headache to authorize.
     
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  6. ERAZER

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    Bit late to read all of the thread, and even later to reply, but better late than never.


    Yes, I've not experienced this (or I dont know that I experienced it, I thought I was just slow).

    However, there was a very similar issuie in the seasonal time trials. The first time it happend, wich I will never forget, was on nurb 24h. I had set a pretty bad time, and was trying to improve, and I could concistently be 1.2 to 1.4 sec ahead at the long back straight (the uphill section, not döttinger) when I urgently had to pick someone up at the airport. When I got back it was nigh impossible to match my ghost, and I was usually 0.5 to 0.7 behind when leaving the GP part of the track. I spent hours thinking its my driving, and I was just able to merely match my ghost once, where I had been easily ahean before every time.
    And then there was the GT agademy events, I think it was event 1 and 2 in 2015. especially the GT-R R35 Nismo at silverstone, where everyone noticed it, and said if you exit and re-enter it would be fixed. I was driving until I was close to my limit, the exited and re-entered the track, and INSTANTLY gained a whole 1.7 seconds. That is an eye-watering ammount of time, and you could even feel it.

    Ah yes the framerate thing, that was affecting all sort of things in so many games back in the day. Try flying a helicopter in GTA vice city with a modern computer and frame limiter off :p
    Nowadays, I really do hope its not relying on framerates anymore, and I dont think it is, as I've not seen any evidence of it, and it would be far more people affected, as there are alot of people on a PS4 pro, with twice the framerate.

    Um, it has ben very professionally and methodically tested, with very convincing results. I'm slightly amazed you'd say that, and makes me wonder what one have to do to make it properly by your standards.
    Your method sounds pretty.... well.... a bit dumb, to be brutally honest. As it could very well show no difference because its not necessarily connected to straight line braking power or traction.
     
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  7. cleanLX

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    Thanks to all those who researched, tested, then notified PD in a professional manner... and got it resolved.
    You folks did awesome.
     
  8. BigDawg_1281

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    Good job to everyone involved. Glad you all brought this to PD's attention. Even more glad that it got fixed! Excellent work! :gtpflag:
     
  9. GT_Alex74

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    I think all we were asking for was no more bug. They did solve this for the closest update planned, so personnally I'm all good.

    Now if they want to hire us for bug testing or something else I wouldn't say no :p
     
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  10. NommyNom

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    agreed, I feel like this affected more than we think. I often experienced racing against people that somehow could brake so much later so I tried mimicking their lines and end up wide/slow. The bug could've given a lot of people the ability to reach a higher DR but not be top ten. I mean if you think about it, there's a lot more players out there than who is seen (the ten). But again, all speculation, time and experiences will tell.
     
  11. Highlandor

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    Don't know if this was what I got, but went to private lobby, tried a 2000gt & 512bb, then had a go in GT40 and experienced what I can only describe as apocalyptic understeer.

    Nurb gp
    Sunny (afternoon)
    All driving aids off
    Tyre / fuel off too (normally it's x5)
    Sports mediums

    The car simply would not turn after lifting off brake and (trying to) turn into apex. The brakes were almost non existent - going into turn 1, braking as hard as possible, down shifting to use engine braking - even braking well before the 150m marker I sailed past the apex and into the gravel with my hands at 90 degrees or more lock.

    At Shumacher S's, braked early 3rd gear, start to turn in (off throttle) and car just drifts wider and wider and straight off the track.

    Weirdest thing of all, it was really difficult to spin, even giving a little scandanavian flick and full gas the car 'gripped' back into shape??

    A friend (who's much more skilled than me) tried the McLaren F1 and said the same, horror understeer.

    Completely off topic, my brake balance was merged with the track map (bottom right corner of screen), I had the brake balance overlaying the mini track map?

    Oh joy....
     
  12. zzz_pt

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    Try a car you know well instead of a new one. You probably have one of your ghosts saved around a track. Load it up and try to make a similar time with the same car.

    If it's one of the GR.3 or GR.4 affected by BOP you might notice a small difference.
     
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    Great news, maybe a certain individual won't be starting at pole and winning most A/S races I join anymore. Hopefully it stays fixed. It was not just the top times, getting bumped by some people braking way late or using it to dive bomb got annoying as well. The unnatural moving cars did look funny.
     
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    I drove the LP400 lambo and old skool Vette before the 2000gt & 512bb - we were testing the LP400, Vette and Cobra last night and the laptimes were same as last night and they felt the same.

    The 512bb and 2000gt were pretty much as expected and nothing seemed out of place.

    Then I got in the GT40 and it's been along time since driving a car that didn't want to turn like that GT40 did. I checked to make sure I had sport mediums on, then tried again, same thing as before, understeer like I've not felt in along time.

    I gave up and logged off, tried to go shoot people on Battlefield to feel better but then got PSN maintenance notice, so can't go online at all now... :indiff:
     
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    I don't know in which region you are, but I think EU's top 10 were clean, today my friendlist buddy derek was in top 10 along with usual guys and he won one race I did.
     
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    Spring Cleaning
     
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  17. vvise

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    You're late to the party dude, at that point it hadn't been well tested. I'm also surprised you think braking and acceleration don't have anything to do with tire grip, but I'll refrain from personal attacks.
     
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    Jesus this guys attitude couldnt be worse. He's lying as well. He knows he has a bug for a couple of weeks since he came here to gtsport, and continued to play.

    Enjoy getting down to your real level, buddy.

    Thank you for ruining his game, and fixing our game PD!
     
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    I'm glad to see this fixed for now. Unfortunately this episode has cemented my belief that GT Sport's physics are clearly not a set of hard rules. This is disappointing for a supposed sim.

    I got this feeling during the betas when they started playing with different "tire models" and it felt like entirely different racing games. Makes me feel like the rules can change at any time, so I'm reluctant to invest too much time into it.

    Hopefully they reformed or eliminated the yellow flag penalties.
     
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    Gotta keep an eye on their DR graphs on Kudos Prime... Gonna be interesting!

    @RA1784 Thank you so much for not resorting to that kind of behaviour with the bug. I have great respect for you :)
     
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  21. ERAZER

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    Yes, I was late to the party, as I also wrote myself.

    And your comment was on januari 15. at wich point several test had already been done, even the boost-test had been done at that point, so your excuse does really not hold up. Alex already had most of the testing done and posted in v1 of this thread.

    Im not saying it would'nt show any difference, I'm just saying any test results from such test doesn't tell us anything whatsoever.
     
  22. DaveMorganJr

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    Thank you guys, you’re ****ing awesome for what you’ve done here! :bowdown:
     
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  23. phil_75

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    ???
    Its 60fps on both PS4 & Pro
     
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  24. ERAZER

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    It is?
    I was sure the regular PS4 ran 30fps?
    I need to look that up, thanks. :)
     
  25. phil_75

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    4.40 for framerate analysis.
    You were probably thinking of replays which run higher on Pro in performance mode.
     
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    Replays are 30fps 720p on the standard PS4 I think. No the gameplay.
     
  27. GTFraker

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    Replays are in 1080p, capturing video off the screen is in 720p.
     
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  28. kilesa4568

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    Very nice job bug testers. All the concise facts and format probably made PD's job a lot easier for the quick fix.

    An especially big thank you to @RA1784 too. You've sacrificed a lot to help out when you could have easily kept quiet. Very refreshing to see.:bowdown:

    ...and a big shout out to @MasterGT for notifying PD so quickly. Thank you.

    ...What can I blame for losing races now? :censored:
     
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  29. DigitalBaka

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    Late to the party but thank you and congrats to the team that identified, tested and reported out on this bug. Working in IT production support I know it's a big boring undertaking and you were never guaranteed a response let alone a timely one. Thank you for sticking to it and seeing it through! :cheers:

    @RA1784 Thank YOU for being an awesome human being and taking the personal hit to help right this for the whole community. We all owe you big time! :bowdown::cheers:
     
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  30. dabz343

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    Yes RA1784 is the real hero here. He gets my vote for the Sportsmanship of the Year Award.
     
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