Damn.Ford in4th5th place
Yeah, after some review of the live stream I heard the English commentators saying that there could’ve been an incident between the #28 Lambo and #65 Mustang in the run up to the chequered flag after Dottinger-Hohe that allowed the #28 to leapfrog the #65 in the final order. Really wishing they could’ve shown that battle instead of only showing the ROWE crew celebrating/Manthey in that disappointed state for 3 minutes straight…There was a pass for that position somewhere at the end of that last lap but the broadcast didn't show it...![]()
That “ouch” is referring to the brain injury he gets from people constantly bombarding his posts on that X of a social media asking for new cars in GT.
Damned if they did, damned if they didn't. The penalty was issued with about 3'ish hours to go, serving it would've handed the win to ROWE on a platter so the only hope they had was a reversal of that decision, slim a chance as it was. The result on the road showed they didn't have the pace to pull in a 2min gap that quickly.That result shows there are no adults in the room at Manthey. They had 5 hrs to take that deserved penalty and try to race and get that time back, but instead played the "dont you know who we are card".
That's what is annoying, they're more than capable of showing split-feeds but they didn't for that section after the chequered flag, to be honest the TV direction was a bit scattergun the entire race...Yeah, after some review of the live stream I heard the English commentators saying that there could’ve been an incident between the #28 Lambo and #65 Mustang in the run up to the chequered flag after Dottinger-Hohe that allowed the #28 to leapfrog the #65 in the final order. Really wishing they could’ve shown that battle instead of only showing the ROWE crew celebrating/Manthey in that disappointed state for 3 minutes straight…
So... kinda maybe but also maybe kinda not.Different spelling?
He looks so happy !
Watch out for them at breakfast just in case they bash into you and leave you upside down in the hash browns.There's someone from Manthey staying at my hotel - at least they won't be partying and keeping me up tonight 😅
Definitely feel for them. They started on pole and lead for pretty much the entire raceOn one hand I do feel bad for Grello, they were doing a great job up until that point, but that one was definitely on Estre. Maybe they should have served that penalty early and got it over with save any doubt. Ah well, well done BMW.
Only if you take the normal breakfast line and they're in a rush.Watch out for them at breakfast just in case they bash into you and leave you upside down in the hash browns.
I would hope that if a similar thing happens without the victim's car flipping, the penalty is the same. If it's not, there will be a tonne of conjecture. THEN we can talk about whether or not we were robbed of a proper fight to the line.I think they penalized the outcome and not the offense.
A gap presented itself and Estre got his nose in. Had the Aston used its mirrors it could/would/should have seen that and just taken a wider line to not interfere with what was an amazing battle for the lead 20 hours into a 24 hour race up to this point.
Hindhaugh said during the commentary that the N24 doesn't operate on a strict offence-not-outcome basis, with stewards making it clear that if you end someone else's race you will be more harshly penalised.I would hope that if a similar thing happens without the victim's car flipping, the penalty is the same. If it's not, there will be a tonne of conjecture.
To be fair in that hypothetical scenario Estre would not have been shown blue flags twice and would have been overtaken in a fight for position and not lapped like the Aston was.Hindhaugh said during the commentary that the N24 doesn't operate on a strict offence-not-outcome basis, with stewards making it clear that if you end someone else's race you will be more harshly penalised.
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Yes it's unfortunate that it affected the outcome of the race, but imagine for a moment that van der Linde had made that exact move on Estre, and flipped him out of the race... I cannot believe for a second that Estre, Manthey, and Porsche fans wouldn't be expecting, demanding, or hoping for a penalty for the BMW.
Neither of those things change anything, the cars don't have to yield to Blue flags, and it's still down to the overtaking car to make the move cleanly. You might disagree that either of those things should be the case, but at the end of the day, that's how it is - and Estre, and Manthey, know that.To be fair in that hypothetical scenario Estre would not have been shown blue flags twice and would have been overtaken in a fight for position and not lapped like the Aston was.
It seems less about yielding and more about simply holding the outside line when you're being lapped, doesn't it? I get that Estre wasn't fully alongside, but he did make contact with the side, not the rear - he had his nose in.Neither of those things change anything, the cars don't have to yield to Blue flags, and it's still down to the overtaking car to make the move cleanly. You might disagree that either of those things should be the case, but at the end of the day, that's how it is - and Estre, and Manthey, know that.
Didn't the contact happen in Miss-Hit-Miss, where you're literally supposed to miss the first (and third) apex?holding the outside line
Yeah it did. He was still outside relative to Estre who got his nose in by keeping it tight. Estre was certainly betting on the Aston looking into his mirror and going wide into the next corner given Estre got his nose in.Didn't the contact happen in Miss-Hit-Miss, where you're literally supposed to miss the first (and third) apex?
Then perhaps they should make that the rule, and Estre can make that assumption in future. But for now, the car in front is entitled to hold the racing line, which the Aston did. It's simply not the responsibility of the car in front to jump out of the way - so it should not be an assumption the following driver makes (unless the car in front is signalling or has clearly pulled off line before hand)It seems less about yielding and more about simply holding the outside line when you're being lapped, doesn't it?
I have no idea what the overlap requirements are in GT3/N24, but just having your nose in doesn't seem like enough - even on blue flags, or perhaps especially on blue flags as the onus is on the leading car to make the pass on the lapped car safely while the lapped car is supposed to stay on its regular line. Which it did.He was still outside relative to Estre who got his nose in by keeping it tight.
I'll say!It was clumsy.
Was it the first apex where they collided? I'm not sure exactly, but I thought that the racing line at that point avoided the apex, hence why Estre might have felt that the AM would not turn in so much?Didn't the contact happen in Miss-Hit-Miss, where you're literally supposed to miss the first (and third) apex?
I only caught it briefly but it looks like the second - so the Aston missed the first apex as it ought and turned in for the second, and the Porsche appears to have interpreted that as room being left on the right and aimed to make the pass at, as these things go, Hit.Was it the first apex where they collided? I'm not sure exactly, but I thought that the racing line at that point avoided the apex, hence why Estre might have felt that the AM would not turn in so much?
Estre always takes a lot of risk while overtaking slower cars. I remember seeing him multiple time overtaking cars with 2 wheels on the grass.Adding to that, I remember reading somewhere that one of the reason these penalties were implemented for the Nürburgring 24h was that apparently some GT3 drivers were pulling off risky maneuvers on GT4 cars in the past because in their mind, these „lesser“ slower cars should pay attention to them and be careful, not the other way round. I‘m not saying that Estre shares this mindset but it would explain why the N24h’s race control is so strict with penalties now.