GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]

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I just watched the ferrari video. The graphics are a lot nicer than what's indicated in the screens. I noticed some light-bloom effects and other cool touches that weren't in the trailer. Neato.

I'm more than a little worried about the wall-riding though. I hope that's just the arcade damage setting (or wtv it's called).
 
Hi,

As I explain in my last post, the Forza damage engine seems to be still in developement. In the video you can see the first crash, it's a frontal accident, but the side panels and the rear fenders are all crashed. Then after they are 3 more accidents but no damage is added up, the first collision does all the damage then no more damage.

I think it's still in developement but anyway Forza graphics have the edge on GT4, no matter what Cobra can say;).

I don't even own a Xbox so don't call me a Xbox Noob.Plz
 
I just watched a Forza video that had a rear camera view of the Ferrari and it followed it around the track.

The model looks like it uses a high poly count, the car looks just slightly better then GT4... and I'm thinking its the resolution. Because I ran into ton of cars that look that good from behind in GT3, but the resolution seems different. That seems to be the key here in what I see that puts it ahead of GT3. So higher rez graphics and a slightly higher poly count on the exterior of the cars

As for the video, it seems like you guys think the greatest thing about this game is its damage. and from what I see its nothing to brag about.

The guy slammed the wall head on at high speed, which resulted in extemly fake looking paint scratches on the sides. An impact like that would leave you leaking oil and sputtering sparks around. not so here

Next the guy seems to enjoy beating the car against the wall, rather then racing it. Sad since the damage didnt increase at all after the first hit, except for maybe sl8ightly more scratches

And he was able to bounce off of everything and pretty much keep going in the right direction without spinning out or losing control. He would have knocked the toe out, bent suspension parts etc. NOT REALISTIC. Doenst look like much of an improvement over GT's 'plastic cars' that you like to call them

And if this is the video (Ferrari from behind with non-english speaker talking) that you guys have been saying kills GT and OMG OMG...then I really think you guys need to calm down and look at it again...its not sliced bread, no, far from it
 
No the damage in that vid is less than impressive, however and this is a big however, it's very unfinished, when Forza comes out all the panels will deform and break and bit's will come off ect, thats a work in progress at the moment and also it wil mess up your cars mechanicals too.
 
The forza Ferrari video is arcade damage, and was also on view at E3 months ago ( it's very old code ) i'm sure it will have improved since then. The video features a spectacular car model with damage and some amazing scenery it's strange how Forza doe's not release more content the quality of that video :)
 
Maybe he was just demonstrating the paint chipping aspect? That's all the guy was talking about during the clip. Paint rubs off blah blah blah. He didn't really mention much about damage.
 
One thing I noticed with that vid is that the damage mirrors itself onto the other side of the car when that side is hit but as is said this is old code, is not the real damage model and umm that's it I think.
 
Ok, I know this thread is huge, but I think some things are missing.

First, Forza is not impressive because of the damage. Yes, it is kind of cool and certainly a plus, but doesn't really make up for much in the end.

However, Forza has plenty of other bonuses. First, the physics are beyond what GT4 is currently showing. Every preview and interview about Forza has indicated that the only game that compares in terms of realism is GP legends and even there the tire model may not be up to Forza. GT3 while considered a console sim is quite simply not close to the PC sims. This is simply a known fact. GT4 is an upgrade, but nothing has indicated it is a big enough jump. A completely new engine would be needed not some tweaking.

I will however, for the sake of having not played the games say they are comparable. in terms of physics. In terms of tracks they will again be comparable. They will both have the big time real tracks and those are for the most part considerably better than what a game comany comes up with.

Graphics are a definitely debatable. GT4 does have a noticable level of realism, but this is dampened a little by a lack of colour. It is much easier to make a game look realistic if you remove colour for some reason. GT4 has that realism, but a level of detail and colour is missing. Again it is up to you.

The car modification is only half of the tuning area for Forza. It is simply a bonus. Forza isn't giving up anything to allow for superficial changes. On top of that there is a level of tuning that has been stated in every preview and hands on that is deeper than GT4 is supposed to be. (Again GT4 could have a big overhaul).

So Forza seems to be matching up, the bonuses don't mean too much, but they are simply that bonuses. They don't detract from anything,

For me the car list is the big thing. I acknowledge that a lot of cars is a good thing, but I think that it would take a ton of cars to make up for the loss of Porsche and Ferrari. Forza apparently will have well over 200 which while less than GT4 is not too few. Driving a Ferrari Enzo against a Carrera GT at Nurburgring will mean more to me than almost any list of cars.

As it stands I will get both.
 
Been looking around and found a few Forza Videos !

Corvette Z06

You goto see the above video it's quite impressive, shows off the detail of the cars also the damage model and the dynamic tracks :)

TOYOTA GT1

Very Impressive, nice sence of speed awsome graphics :)
 
Good ole kikizo.com

I'm still not sold entirely on the damage model, but it's cool and definitely more noteworthy (to me) than none at all.

This is all old E3 demo stuff. I want new footage of a new-ish build. They're being too quiet about this game. Polyphony has released a tsunami of videos and screens, and a really cool looking demo (albeit not available here...grumble). I don't know how Microsoft expects people to get excited about a game they've seen barely anything on.

I need more screens, more videos, and more interviews, and while I'm at it, a demo to really see if this one cuts the mustard.
 
Hey, a C6. GT4 got that? Hate to to say, but CURRENTLY, it goes like this.

1: Enthusia
2: Forza
3: GT4.

PD, you gonna have to show me some more of the goods.
 
I would put it like this
GT4
Forza
Enthusia
We dont know what enthusia will have while there's more about forza and gt4 over the net but there's alot more on forza than gt4. PD does need to release something for us but hey, save the surprises I guess.
 
cobragt
I would put it like this
GT4
Forza
Enthusia
We dont know what enthusia will have while there's more about forza and gt4 over the net but there's alot more on forza than gt4. PD does need to release something for us but hey, save the surprises I guess.
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That's wierd. The amount of news coverage, interviews, screenshots, gameplay videos, and pre-release DEMOS seem to weigh heavily in GT's favor.

For forza, I've read TWO interviews with the dev team, seen ONE trailer and a few bits and bobs like this. There are also only about 30 screenshots for forza (half of them taken from the E3 trailer, like that does any good), compared to the bazillion screens (photomode, cars list, hi res screens) hosted up here on GTplanet.

I know a lot more about GT4 than I do about Forza.
 
I mean, there isn't any deep info on gt4. Like the tuner's village. We dont know about that, we just know it's there. Same with the parking lot, drift contest, etc. I would like to know about gt4's AI, and if its possible ferrari and porsche will be in or not. Gt4 has been in the works for some time and we only have what, 11 tracks we know about that's in the game?
 
It isn't called GTplanet for nothing...It's a gran turismo site first of all! Not a Xbox or Forza site! That doesn't mean you can't speak of them it just means you'll get less support or news about it.
 
cobragt
I mean, there isn't any deep info on gt4. Like the tuner's village. We dont know about that, we just know it's there. Same with the parking lot, drift contest, etc. I would like to know about gt4's AI, and if its possible ferrari and porsche will be in or not. Gt4 has been in the works for some time and we only have what, 11 tracks we know about that's in the game?
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hmmm, didn´t IGN released some time ago a list of tracks confirmed for GT4, with about 50 names on it?

I know I read this list somewhere, and it was official stuff... I just dont remember where i did.

EDIT: Well, so it isn´t official stuff, but heres the list they´ve made: http://cars.ign.com/articles/522/522822p1.html
 
I dont believe 50 is the exact number. I would say 80 tracks will be in. 50 is just an est like 500 cars, we know gt4 will have more than 500 cars. More like 800 but you never know.
 
What does "Forza" mean ?
Does it have any significance to motor racing?
I did a search on the web and found a search engine called Forza and an Italian Soccer (Football) team. Is it an Italian word for force?
To me the name sounds lame compared to Gran Turismo 4.
My nephew has an Xbox so he may buy it.
 
I'm confused

While admitting that there is very little information about Forza available, members of this board are able to conclude:

- Forza will have physics more advanced then GT4

- The damage model that we have seen is 'beta' and will be vastly improved, (including bits of pieces of the car falling off) (which I know is bs until I see them model that for 200 cars. If they somehow do it, I will be impressed.)

- The damage will affect the cars alignment, etc

I just watched that Ferrari video again, and I noticed the car was already scratched before hitting the first wall!!

And dont start cheap talk about how The developers of Forza consulted or are using Ferrari etc to make the game. If you knew about video games you would know that F1 sims on the PS1-2 use F1 teams to gather info on how the cars should handle and how to make the game. But you know what? The cars handle nothing like the real ones. And after watching that Ferrari video, my goodness, that better have been in arcade mode or something, because no way that car handles any more realistic then GT3.

I'm being as honest as I can be in this next sentence.

Forza has nothing on GT except touched up graphics and Ferrari/Porsche and a so far pathetic looking damage model.
 
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I'm confused

While admitting that there is very little information about Forza available, members of this board are able to conclude:

- Forza will have physics more advanced then GT4

- The damage model that we have seen is 'beta' and will be vastly improved, (including bits of pieces of the car falling off) (which I know is bs until I see them model that for 200 cars. If they somehow do it, I will be impressed.)

- The damage will affect the cars alignment, etc

I just watched that Ferrari video again, and I noticed the car was already scratched before hitting the first wall!!

And dont start cheap talk about how The developers of Forza consulted or are using Ferrari etc to make the game. If you knew about video games you would know that F1 sims on the PS1-2 use F1 teams to gather info on how the cars should handle and how to make the game. But you know what? The cars handle nothing like the real ones. And after watching that Ferrari video, my goodness, that better have been in arcade mode or something, because no way that car handles any more realistic then GT3.

I'm being as honest as I can be in this next sentence.

Forza has nothing on GT except touched up graphics and Ferrari/Porsche and a so far pathetic looking damage model.
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:dunce: TOUCHED UP GRAPHICS?!? I'm sorry, but honestly, GT4 looks better. The fact that the textures are low-res makes it look more realistic than forza. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the stuff in GT4 looks like the real deal, whereas the stuff in Forza Motorsport looks like die-cast replica modeling. Adding even more insult to injury for Forza, KY just recently stated that he and the rest of his team are currently working on the graphics to get them to look EVEN BETTER than they are right now. And Forza's, well, Forza. And as far as the Ferrari/Porsche thing is concerned, there's still a good chance that they'll be in GT4. We'll just have the wait until sometime in November the find out for sure. You're absolutely right on the damage model stuff lookin' pathetic, though. Still, overall, both games look great. Just depends on your taste. (<hey, that just rhymed!!!>)
 

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