FrontBeen looking around and found a few Forza Videos !
Corvette Z06
You goto see the above video it's quite impressive, shows off the detail of the cars also the damage model and the dynamic tracks
TOYOTA GT1
Very Impressive, nice sence of speed awsome graphics
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GTXLR
you have already played with the DFP?Pak
Sure? What previews apart of this.Pak
This:Pak
Driving powerful racecars like the Mclaren F1 GTR in GT4p is unrealistic nomatter what wheel/controller you use. Official Playstation 2 Magazine said that the latest build of GT4 (newer than E3 build) is a completely new game, no comparison with GT4p. 'GT4 has gone hardcore' is what they said. That tells how unrealistic GT4p must be.Zer0
Ok, I exaggerated with 'many', but with previews I didn't necessarily mean written previews like IGN's but people's opinions who went to E3 and dutch game journalists. It's just that it can't be too hard to create a less forgiving simulation than GT4p.Zer0
Thanks for the video 👍Zer0
Yes, GT4 finished would be better than GT4P but that does not mean that GT4P have unrealistically physics.. driving without assists, with street tires and with GTP not´s a joke(even with powerful cars) and it´s very realistic feeling experience, not the most in any game but it´s good and demanding. Try first the most realistic setup and then make your facts.Pak
You can't put street tires on the real racecars. Those cars drive unrealistic. Period.Zer0
True, but the 'GT4 has gone hardcore' article which GTXLR posted came from OPM.Zer0
Driving the true racecars in GT4p is not much more challenging than GT3's, and assuming that the real update came AFTER E3's GT4 build..Zer0
I play GTR with the old Driving Force without FF and I can easily tell it's more realistic driving those monsters in GTR than in GT4p.Zer0
Not that I don't believe you, but can you post some articles which say E3's GT4 is more challenging/realistic than Forza's?Zer0
No problem, there's nothing wrong with your english?Zer0
It will be 100 pages long by November 
Pak
) In the video of Enthusia where it is comparing real and PS2, yes it looks fantastic, but the bit that lets it down for me is that wheel! In the video you can see there is no feedback and he is spinning it like a telephone dial...now that is not realistic.
Not´s supposed that "street tires" refer to "realistic grip tires" or simulation? it adapts realistically to the characteristics of the car, not always the same grip tire for all cars. BTW we don´t know the final tire model of GT4, only a few preselected settings in arcade mode.Pak
Well, contrast the OPM preview with all the info, articles, official interviews and opinions of all the people that play the latest demos(E3 demo, Nurburgring24h demo, Lemans Demo, BMW demo, press demos, etc) practically all this impressions are posted in this forum, not´s only an isolated fan press opinion I think. It´s a fact that the realism has been upgraded continuously since the first E3 2003 demo. OPM article have contrasted credibility, the teamxbox article have panfletish not contrasted credibility and MS press releases propaganda, all in one.Pak
Try with the DFP.. if you play with any other wheel or pad your playing with many driving assists on, assists that always was active on GT3.Pak
All the people that play Forza with the E3 wheel give bad or mediocre impressions, have better handling and feeling with the pad not only because the lack of FF, read IGN Previews or any neutral member of any forum that have played Forza (click me).Pak
The problem is that GT4 don´t compete directly with any game, is difficult to find a GT4 related article comparing both games, the Forza previews are different, the game it´s oficially a "GTKiller", automatically always compare with GT4 and a preview tends a maximize positive points and minimize the bads or weak aspects, how it´s normal and the game not´s finished the reviewer don't make any facts or extensive comparisons over other unfinished games until the final Review when all the games are out and finished(except of panflets or fan reviewers that make the Forza hype grow with not probed facts and don´t like or know GT too much). The only that you can find would be personal opinions in forums of people that play both games at E3 and previews saying that GT4 have the most realistic driving model of any console game, I refer to that when I said "positive GT4 opinions".Pak
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^ That's why I said, you can't put street tires on the racecars.Zer0
What OPM wrote about GT4 is about the only thing I read which clearly says that GT4 has become a new game and way more challenging.Zer0
I know the the differences of DFP vs DS2. When playing with a dual shock2 the front wheels get corrected. I can still drift a Mclaren F1 GTR. :|Zer0
All the people? :| The point is that I heared that E3's forza without driving aids is more challenging than GT4. Only thing I've heared about GT4 being more challenging is the OPM article. I'm worried that GT4 won't be challenging enough. Got it? I want GT4 to be better. Can't wait to drive the nurb with a shelby cobra or ruf yellow bird. I want it to be realistic/challenging too unlike GT4p.. and then I hear opinions about forza being more challenging, I get worried ;pZer0
Could you post some of those opinions? I would be happy if I read things like: GT4 is much harder to control than GT4p/ForzaZer0
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Reinforcing my statement. IN MY OPINION, GT4 LOOKS BETTER THAN FORZA. Those low-res textures DO make GT4 look more realistic, but another reason why is because GT4 has a more realistic and fully realized ART STYLE. I've SEEN both games in motion, and to ME, GT4 LOOKS BETTER. They will both be great-looking, though, but in the end, GT4 wins out. BTW, I'M NOT A RABID LITTLE FANBOY, JUST A FANBOY WHO'S A LITTLE RABID. <LOL>
