GT5 2.0 Disappointment Thread

[Strittan]

Jesus H Christ, are there spoiled kids out there or what!? Unbelievable...

 

[robisme]

The new "save" feature on enduro's is a bit pathetic, but better than no save point, it's only a pause point, that you must start from on your return, you can't do anything else until the race is over , car's nothing special either.

Thanks for sharing your views. No offence intended; my opinion is that if we pay substantially for a product, we should get what is reasonably expected. I think that quite a number of GT5 gamers feel that the game, while it has its positives, leaves much to be desired in many areas. Good that PD is fixing them, but other peripheral issues (such as the content on the exorbitantly priced DLC), which should, imo, have reasonably been included in a mid-life update, instead of being paid, are disappointing.

Agree with your points.

 

[boomee]

Again, no offence intended; my opinion is that if we pay substantially for a product, we should get what is reasonably expected. I think that quite a number of GT5 gamers feel that the game, while it has its positives, leaves much to be desired in many areas. Good that PD is fixing them, but other peripheral issues (such as the content on the exorbitantly priced DLC), which should, imo, have reasonably been included in a mid-life update, instead of being paid, are disappointing.

considering for some dlc can range from 15 to 20 bucks its not really that bad and to be honest DLC is take it or leave it if you dont want it dont buy it

 

[sny_pher]

considering for some dlc can range from 15 to 20 bucks its not really that bad and to be honest DLC is take it or leave it if you dont want it dont buy it

My point was, it should have reasonably been included as part of the Spec 2 update. Especially the cars - they should have reasonably been included as RM models, rather than paid DLC.

Ultimately, our response as gamers will dictate the quality of the DLC that companies offer in the long run. If we settle for less, or are simply happy to settle for less and support unreasonable product quality-to-price ratios, companies will eventually give us less for more. This can't be good for gamers.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Generally I'm liking the update, many things improved.
But there are some issues, someone should make a bug report thread, I would, don't have enough time to update it regularly tho.

Here's what I found so far...

All records for custom made tracks have been reset, also ghost replay for this can't be used / loaded anymore! (shame for people like me who spent a lot of time and effort into setting competitive times in this feature.)
Maybe its a just a bug, but I doubt it...

The other thing I found is minor, but still should be fixed:
The tuning sheets don't always show the exact numbers you set in the tuning section. Not a biggie, just
slightly confusing.

Weather settings seem weird too as its easy to get a drying track, but not the opposite !!? Further testing needed on this one.



The other thing is, as many have stated already, the update isnt the problem (its quiet appreciated by me, as I said, many improvemnts), its the planned DLC. It really seems quiet steep considering we paid full prize for a half finished product and as we know Spa was being worked on before release anyway.
Also where are all the cool tracks from older games? I really miss them! Do we have to shell out $5 each for those too? Assuming they even come as DLC.

So, ok yeah, new cars thats awesome, except they aren't really new and I much rather would buy them individually than in a pretty expensive "pack".

Oh and charging for new colors and suits... really?

Well other than that I really think its a decent update and I hope they fix the stuff I mentioned above.

 

[sny_pher]

The other thing is, as many have stated already, the update isnt the problem (its quiet appreciated by me, as I said, many improvemnfs), its the planned DLC. It really seems quiet steep considering we paid full prize for a half finished product and as we know Spa was being worked on before release anyway.
Also where are all the cool tracks from older games? I really miss them! Do we have to shell out $5 each for those too? Assuming they even come as DLC.

So, ok yeah, new cars thats awesome, except they aren't really new and I much rather would buy them individually than in an pretty expensive "pack".

Oh and charging for new colors and suits... really?

Well other than that I really think its a decent update and I hope they fix the stuff I mentioned above.

Agree 100% 👍

 

[toolo4sno]

You won't get disappointed if you don't expect anything.

Expectation is a bitch, and unless you are void of all human emotion, it's hard to avoid at least a little. It's especially hard when something is marketed heavily, but not really explained well (ie: Course Maker). For instance, I tried to not get too excited about the prospect of Spa for DLC. Once I confirmed that it did in fact include Spa, I was pleased. Then I saw that it was basically only Spa, then I got a little bummed out. No legacy GT tracks?! Seems like it wouldn't have been too hard to throw one or two of those in. $5/track is way too high (no that cart one doesn't count). Am I going to buy it. Yes, but only if I can use online.

 

[Sampyla20plus]

Generally I'm liking the update, many things improved.
But there are some issues, someone should make a bug report thread, I would, don't have enough time to update it regularly tho.

Here's what I found so far...

All records for custom made tracks have been reset, also ghost replay for this can't be used / loaded anymore! (shame for people like me who spent a lot of time and effort into setting competitive times in this feature.)
Maybe its a just a bug, but I doubt it...

The other thing I found is minor, but still should be fixed:
The tuning sheets don't always show the exact numbers you set in the tuning section. Not a biggie, just
slightly confusing.

Weather settings seem weird too as its easy to get a drying track, but not the opposite !!? Further testing needed on this one.

Well, track will gain more "wet" when you progress, I did set a track on dry and when it is set to rain, track will gain more wet condition

The other thing is, as many have stated already, the update isnt the problem (its quiet appreciated by me, as I said, many improvemnts), its the planned DLC. It really seems quiet steep considering we paid full prize for a half finished product and as we know Spa was being worked on before release anyway.
Also where are all the cool tracks from older games? I really miss them! Do we have to shell out $5 each for those too? Assuming they even come as DLC.

If Spa wont sell, why would PD give tracks for free ? it's mainly about Sony than PD here really, as Sony holds the lines of PSOnline (similar with Live! on Xbox, where developers wont have any coin from DLC)

So, ok yeah, new cars thats awesome, except they aren't really new and I much rather would buy them individually than in a pretty expensive "pack".

You can get tracks only without the cars/paints/outfits

Oh and charging for new colors and suits... really? well, Chrome paints are famous, and those new pearlescent ones looks amazing, I've seen alot worse DLC too

Well other than that I really think its a decent update and I hope they fix the stuff I mentioned above.

We all hope there will be more premium cars, but it doesnt help if players arent never happy

while this is still the first game for PD to have ONLINE possibilities

 

[quickben]

PD actually listened to what most of us were complaining about, and addressed the most popular concerns. This is almost unheard of regarding corporations reacting to their customers complaints. Big thumbs up to PD for listening.

I don't understand how people can complain about something that makes GT better and adds features, for free on top of that.

If you're "disappointed" by this update, then there is no pleasing you. I particularly love the comment the OP made about the new NASCARs all being the same. Guess what dude? In real life, all NASCARs are the same...thats kind of the point.

What were those concerns, exactly ? That we were missing pretty pictures on the nascars ? That we really needed to photograph our avatar with our cars ? That we desperately wanted a black border around the screen while driving a standard car ?

The only good features from spec II are the multiple settings feature and DLC.

I have big hopes for DLC, but I am more than prepared to be "disappointed".

 

[robbo6]

This is a game, it follows right in line of GT1,2,3,4. It absolutely blows those games away. GT has come so far.

2 words:

Bull ****e

we've LOST so much from the previous games. (altho GT4 started the rot and GT5 does follows that)

 

[robbo6]

Actually, most companies these days do bring out buggy half assed games, then fix them later. Codemasters released a buggy as **** game and never fixed it (F1 2010) and then just released the next version of the game (F1 2011) with the fixes. Test Drive Unlimited 2, didnt work properly for weeks, and still doesnt half the time, was released in a state where it was genuinely broken, (not just ooh why isnt this feature in /cry). If you look at any major release of the last few years, many of them have been released buggy, and many of them have been left that way.

So GT5 is more or less in the same boat as two games you slag off (half assed maybe not buggy, but it HAS got severe gameplay issues with Aspec)....yet when people slag off GT5 you get upset??

 

[Samus]

Only on the internet can you find people looking to complain about any and every detail of life. This is a game, it follows right in line of GT1,2,3,4. It absolutely blows those games away. GT has come so far. People who are unhappy will always complain!

Completely disagree. Yes of course most of GT5 is visually better than those games but content wise I know I got more out of GT2 and GT4 because there was so much more single player content.

 

[sumbrownkid]

robbo6, still raging against the machine I see. I agree with some of your points, but sometimes your posts can come off as being pugnacious in nature, though a lot of others can be guilty of that also.

 

[Strittan]

My point was, it should have reasonably been included as part of the Spec 2 update. Especially the cars - they should have reasonably been included as RM models, rather than paid DLC.

Ultimately, our response as gamers will dictate the quality of the DLC that companies offer in the long run. If we settle for less, or are simply happy to settle for less and support unreasonable product quality-to-price ratios, companies will eventually give us less for more. This can't be good for gamers.

Of course, everyone would rather not pay for anything if the choice was theirs, but it isn't. PD has updated the game for free for almost a year, and next week they'll release their first DLC pack, a big one that is, and for less money than one single track in iRacing (!).

You have to understand it's against business to give out free content.

 

[robbo6]

robbo6, still raging against the machine I see.

by "machine" you mean "blind fanboys" then yes...yes I am. funnily enough I'm happy enough with the update. As mentioed it's free, we get some premium cars (albeit I'm not a huge NASCAR fan). The DLC issues are irrelevant to this thread.

But Aspec is bunk, completely and UTTERLY. I had more fun with the GT3 demo in the Super GT cars at Trial Mountain than with GT5 Aspec. The racing IS the bred and butter of this game...ALWAYS has been, you RACE to win cash to buy cars and upgrades......the Aspec Racing in GT5 is crap and I'm being very generous by calling it that.

 

[sumbrownkid]

by "machine" you mean "blind fanboys" then yes...yes I am. funnily enough I'm happy enough with the update. As mentioed it's free, we get some premium cars (albeit I'm not a huge NASCAR fan). The DLC issues are irrelevant to this thread.

But Aspec is bunk, completely and UTTERLY. I had more fun with the GT3 demo in the Super GT cars at Trial Mountain than with GT5 Aspec. The racing IS the bred and butter of this game...ALWAYS has been, you RACE to win cash to buy cars and upgrades......the Aspec Racing in GT5 is crap and I'm being very generous by calling it that.

A-Spec can use a lot more work, but I have the feeling that since PD saw that almost every game needs a form of online to survive (thank you COD you piece of 🤬) they probably thought that online would take over the racing department.

 

[sid_chiclana]

Waiting frustrating years, for a game with 1999 graphics and cars, we've already used for years, packed with bugs, patched and re-patched again, with tons of japanese (no disrespect) and fantasy cars, that don't even exist in real life, ain't worth over 50 of the finese sterling to me.
Now on top of that... more bucks to get what... more japanese, fantasy cars and certain things we shoulda had from the start

Don't get me wrong, I've been playing GT from the beginning of days and I love it, but as age creep on me, suddenly I see things from a different perspective. Just my honest opinion...

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Only on the internet can you find people looking to complain about any and every detail of life. This is a game, it follows right in line of GT1,2,3,4. It absolutely blows those games away. GT has come so far. People who are unhappy will always complain!

I appreciate PD's continued support of this game. G25/27 support, interior views, new RM's, all this stuff takes time and $ by PD. They released a huge update for no charge.

Think about that for a minute.

As a fun game, is sure does not. I have great memories of getting through the career in GT3. There were great events to enter in that game, and so many of them, and each series tested your endurance more and more as you went up the ladder. I would kill to have something similar in GT5.

 

[Samus]

Of course, everyone would rather not pay for the anything if the choice was theirs, but it isn't. PD has updated the game for free for almost a year, and next week they'll release their first DLC pack, a big one that is, and for less money than one single track in iRacing (!).

You have to understand it's against business to give out free content.

It may be against business and I know they need to make money with their content. I have no problem whatsoever with Spa and it's pricing, I don't think anyone does. Some may not like the track and not buy it, but I've not seen any complaints about it's cost and general inclusion. Real world tracks cost money to license and take a long time to build, so that is fair enough for me, they want to make some of that money back.

The issue is the car pack, which in terms of money cost them nothing or very little to build since it required no new licenses. Timewise it also can't have cost them too much, since the models are already built. They have just added a racing body, a basic paint job and under the hood changes.

So I don't see why they need to charge for the car pack, because it's not recouping any losses for them, it's nearly pure profit.

 

[C-ZETA]

Overall, the update did very well, but some of the features could have been worked on.

The endurance saves STILL are quick saves, and not being able to do anything but the endurance I'm in is annoying for me.

The replay rewind/forward isn't exactly what it is, it's more just a cut back. Still, better than nothing.

The new shuffle racing isn't quite as diverse as I would have liked it, but at least they did bother to improve it at last - again, better than nothing...also, I would have expected the 2010 NASCARs to be gone. I mean, the 2011s are all in with the exact same drivers...thus rendering the 2010's totally meanless.

All in all though, it's good. Not as much to it as I would have thought but I like it still.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

We all hope there will be more premium cars, but it doesnt help if players arent never happy

while this is still the first game for PD to have ONLINE possibilities

Well, no. Not really. GT5 P had online and yes, new cars would be nice, but we already have 1000+ !?
IMO this game needs more tracks, especially the gems from previous GTs.
Also, it's a good thing people complain so PD can keep improving, but with that always come new problems, like why are my time trial records erased? Was this intended, is it because of new weather features, or is it indeed just a bug and can be fixed?

And yeah, $12 is a bit much for just basically one new track.. Prologue got a new (old) track and 30+ new cars for free!
It just doesnt seem PD-like...

 

[GTShadowKing]

And yeah, $12 is a bit much for just basically one new track.. Prologue got a new (old) track and 30+ new cars for free!
It just doesnt seem PD-like...

Yes, but would you like to work for free?

 

[Lancia stratos]

I have encountered many bugs. Kaz fixed the unimpotant bugs....

Edit: I'm stuck at the main menu for 3 minuts each time i go to gt mode.

The message boards took longer and its not displaying meassges now. They vanished for some reason.

The game stopped loading. I bought a car, the loading screen is still on. The hdd light stopped loading the install data more times than it did before.

 

[WeeblBull]

Saving during mid race is MASSIVE!!! And finally G27 support....have some cheese with your whine.

It should have been in the game since day 1. Who on earth would leave their 150 watt PS3 on for over 24 hours to complete an endurance race?

Poorly thought through, half complete game it is, but I still love it. Only for the physics, but I still love it...

 

[GrandGTM]

My only real disappointment is the fact that the Seasonal rewards have been reduced. To me it's not worth driving that crappy FGT for 10 laps for just 200,000 credits. I really hate that.

 

[Strittan]

The issue is the car pack, which in terms of money cost them nothing or very little to build since it required no new licenses. Timewise it also can't have cost them too much, since the models are already built. They have just added a racing body, a basic paint job and under the hood changes.

So I don't see why they need to charge for the car pack, because it's not recouping any losses for them, it's nearly pure profit.

1. One track in iRacing costs 11.95, which is what all the GT5 DLC costs combined.

2. I'd say it takes a lot longer to make those car modifications than you think. Especially considering some of them are very heavily modified. Then they have to make physics for the cars as well. If I had to take a wild guess I'd say it has taken at least 3-4 months for PD to complete all of them, and I don't think any of the employees at PD works for free.

 

[SpeedQber]

I have encountered many bugs. Kaz fixed the unimpotant bugs....

Edit: I'm stuck at the main menu for 3 minuts each time i go to gt mode.

The message boards took longer and its not displaying meassges now. They vanished for some reason.

The game stopped loading. I bought a car, the loading screen is still on. The hdd light stopped loading the install data more times than it did before.

I have the same problem, sometimes in the main menu, sometimes in a car menu.
It's driving me crazy

 

[Samus]

1. One track in iRacing costs 11.95, which is what all the GT5 DLC costs combined.

2. I'd say it takes a lot longer to make those car modifications than you think. Especially considering some of them are very heavily modified. Then they have to make physics for the cars as well. If I had to take a wild guess I'd say it has taken at least 3-4 months for PD to complete all of them, and I don't think any of the employees at PD works for free.

1. Quite irrelevent. Like I said we're talking purely about the cost of the cars here, not the tracks.

2. I highly doubt that. All i see are flared wheel arches, aero parts here and there, a rear wing and new wheels. Add on top of that a very basic paint job I'd be amazed if it took more than a few hours for each car.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Yes, but would you like to work for free?

No, of course not, but the thing is we already paid for the game and Kaz admitted it wasn't exactly finished at release.
So, you see its not something they would normal do... it just seems weird, maybe 3.99 for the cars and Spa for free I would be much happier. 💡
Also even with this update and DLC this game is far from being finished, Aspec is still a joke, so is NASCAR and Rally aspects.

Don't get me wrong I really like GT5, its probably the best game out there and I see the improvements, but I think it can get a lot better with a few tweaks and additions, for example more NASCAR and Rally tracks included in more / better Aspec events, don't you think?

Also for the moment Im just bothered about the things I found wrong with this update and a bit surprised not more people wonder why they can't load their ghosts, that's my biggest issue right now... Im just glad they didnt delete my tracks altogether lol. :-S

 

[sinbad]

1. One track in iRacing costs 11.95, which is what all the GT5 DLC costs combined.

2. I'd say it takes a lot longer to make those car modifications than you think. Especially considering some of them are very heavily modified. Then they have to make physics for the cars as well. If I had to take a wild guess I'd say it has taken at least 3-4 months for PD to complete all of them, and I don't think any of the employees at PD works for free.

Surely pd would hope that gt5 would have a lot more potential dlc customers than iracing. iracing justify their price for a single track with the laser modelling and small customer base pushing prices higher.
I think the price for Spa alone is fair enough, although of course I would have loved to see Seattle thrown in too!
The car pack of basically rm'd cars we already have didn't strike me as worth buying, and the racing gear and paint colours are totally worthless.

So I'm glad pd have seperated it all up, because if I had to buy all that crap just to get Spa, I probably wouldn't have.