GT7 - Graphics simmilar to GT6 photomode?

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If they are going to make the graphics and cars look amazing, how about a 360 degree camera!?
 
Samus
No, besides that is a big if. People paid money for this product, they're entitled to get the full thing before the company thinks about the next one.



Why? It's pretty simple business, you don't start talking about your next product before you've finished the last one, especially if you made promises to deliver certain things. Customers don't take too kindly hearing a company talk about how awesome their next product is going to be when the product they bought isn't working/isn't finished/isn't as described or whatever.
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The fact is, pd aren't going this way, so no point moaning.
 
Just saying things aren't likely to change with pd, so can't really continue to "make points" in hope of them changing their mind or something, they're either super deaf or stubborn.

Still love em though
 
They've never been in this situation before though, have they, so there is no precedent with PD in this case. Someone suggested they should or will show GT7 soon, I simply suggested that they shouldn't be until they're done with what they promised for GT6 and I can continue to make whatever point I like, thanks. Whether they will or not, we can only wait and see.
 
Aaaaaaaahhhh why so hostile?? :nervous:
 
I'm not being hostile although I realise that does come across in my written style. I just don't appreciate being told that I can't continue to make points because PD won't listen. That may be the case but I can and will still continue to make my points, just as anyone else is free to. :)
 
Whoops it totally wasn't meant like that. Sorry.
 
Samus
I'm not being hostile although I realise that does come across in my written style. I just don't appreciate being told that I can't continue to make points because PD won't listen. That may be the case but I can and will still continue to make my points, just as anyone else is free to. :)
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You should continue, but its selfish to stop GT7 or any other game for ps4 because ps3 game is not good.
I still say they should fix GT6 but GT7 should not be hold back because of it. Actually many wanted (as Sony did) to have it on ps3 because installbase was so big. But then ps4 sold better than ever and with low number of games. I can imagine sonys quest to release more titles and begs all to do so, so that ps4 stays as no1 console. So whatever PD chooses to do they are as i think not alone to command this. That is the beauty of having exclusive deal with Sony but also a hinderance if you want to have freedom. I have written it before, once GT7 is announced focus will shift from GT6 and if GT7 is really great then GT6 can be forgotten really quickly.
 
GranTurismo guy
Just saying things aren't likely to change with pd, so can't really continue to "make points" in hope of them changing their mind or something, they're either super deaf or stubborn.

Still love em though
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No offense, but many of us consumers are a little more discerning than you are. I paid good money for GT6 and it's not finished and I see little sign it ever will be. To begin talking about the next game and not even acknowledge the sorry state this game is in, is the equivalent of the old 🤬 you in my books. As I've said before, I'll take a heartfelt apology with some compensation (free stuff in the next game) from PD in acknowledging that they just can't deliver on all their promises. I don't want a politically correct, corporate, bureaucratic generic statement either, I want something from the heart that acknowledges the passion of the fans and our individual connection to the franchise and Kaz himself. And it has to come from Kaz. I expect some humility and sincere regret.
 
Mulan
You should continue, but its selfish to stop GT7 or any other game for ps4 because ps3 game is not good.
I still say they should fix GT6 but GT7 should not be hold back because of it. Actually many wanted (as Sony did) to have it on ps3 because installbase was so big. But then ps4 sold better than ever and with low number of games. I can imagine sonys quest to release more titles and begs all to do so, so that ps4 stays as no1 console. So whatever PD chooses to do they are as i think not alone to command this. That is the beauty of having exclusive deal with Sony but also a hinderance if you want to have freedom. I have written it before, once GT7 is announced focus will shift from GT6 and if GT7 is really great then GT6 can be forgotten really quickly.
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Selfish to stop GT7 because of GT6 not being finished? Ha, no. Polyphony Digital chose to put the game out as they did, it's up to them as a company to finish it. I'm not being selfish wanting them to finish what they promised they would and this is not exclusive to video games, it applies to any product. You might be happy to throw away money on a product and just ignore the fact the company producing it didn't finish it, not everyone else is.


Finally no, if GT7 is announced and GT6 is left unfinished then I will not forget about it, I'm sure many other consumers wouldn't either. I mean if I promised to build you a complete house, got it mostly finished then left it to start on another house would you be happy and forget about it? I'd think not.
 
Samus
They shouldn't be showing their new product until they've finished the last one.
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Normally I would agree with you, and to a certain extent I still do. On the one hand talking about the sequel to a game that's 7 months old (at E3) is pretty odd especially for a series like GT. It sort of reminds me of how it seems that every time you buy the latest and greatest cellphone the next one is already on the way. I also agree that it could make some people feel uncertain about whether they'll continue to support the current game.

On the other hand, the situation here is a little odd. I think a lot of people skipped GT6 because they wanted it to be on the PS4 or just didn't want to invest in a game so late in the generation. I also don't think this comes as a surprise to Sony. So I think from there perspective they want to show something from GT on the PS4 as soon as they can to keep interest in the series and get people excited. Especially with games like PCars and Driveclub on the way.

So for me as long as PD continue to support GT6 I'm ok with them showing off GT on the PS4. But from a PR perspective I think PD needs to make sure that by the time E3 rolls around they have either launched, or announced a big feature for GT6 that comes out around E3.
 
I don't think GT6's in-completeness as a game is what is bothering most. From what I've seen, and experienced myself, it's PD's lack of acknowledgement regarding the matter that's frustrating. It's like receiving your weekly paycheck and finding out it's way less than you should be getting, and when you bring it up to the boss, he denies it and tries to convince you that it's the right pay when it isn't. That's what PD is doing. They gave a lot of promises and false hope with GT6, and then fell short. Instead of realizing this and delivering, at least, some form of compensation for the consumer, they deny their wrong-doings and instead encourage us to move on to their next title. Imagine how that transaction would have worked out if you, the consumer, had to purchase the game directly from the developer. Imagine you getting the game, then calling PD to get an answer regarding all of their promises, and their response is for you to just deal with it, sit in the shadows and wait for our new product. That's a horrible way to deal with customer relations.

I've been a GT fan since it came out, but I'm with Samus on this one. If anyone else here has played Codemaster's GRID titles, you'll remember how GRID 2 fell a bit short on promises. What did Codemasters do? Admit it and then release a game based on what the community has been requesting (The new title is called GRID Autosport.)
The fact that they were able to figure this **** out in just one **** up just makes PD look like its run by a group of monkey who sit around all day pressing random buttons that light up.
 
Samus
Selfish to stop GT7 because of GT6 not being finished? Ha, no. Polyphony Digital chose to put the game out as they did, it's up to them as a company to finish it. I'm not being selfish wanting them to finish what they promised they would and this is not exclusive to video games, it applies to any product. You might be happy to throw away money on a product and just ignore the fact the company producing it didn't finish it, not everyone else is.


Finally no, if GT7 is announced and GT6 is left unfinished then I will not forget about it, I'm sure many other consumers wouldn't either. I mean if I promised to build you a complete house, got it mostly finished then left it to start on another house would you be happy and forget about it? I'd think not.
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I am with you, i get it, but since there is a new console out GT7 and GT6 has nothing to do with each other. Its like you bought a used house they never finished decorating with furniture and paint inside and for that no one elses house should be finished even if they want it from scratch.
That is how i see it, the old frame is there in GT6 but content is lacking.
What you can do is warn all others of course that if they choose same company for fixing old houses they might end without furniture too.
But on the other hand, GT6 for me was never interresting and for many more, because we want totally new not old stuff.
So one part doesnt exclude the other or that new customers even care about what happened before.
So i will take a risk buying GT7 even if i know PD sucks regarding customer relations.
 
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Johnnypenso
No offense, but many of us consumers are a little more discerning than you are. I paid good money for GT6 and it's not finished and I see little sign it ever will be. To begin talking about the next game and not even acknowledge the sorry state this game is in, is the equivalent of the old 🤬 you in my books. As I've said before, I'll take a heartfelt apology with some compensation (free stuff in the next game) from PD in acknowledging that they just can't deliver on all their promises. I don't want a politically correct, corporate, bureaucratic generic statement either, I want something from the heart that acknowledges the passion of the fans and our individual connection to the franchise and Kaz himself. And it has to come from Kaz. I expect some humility and sincere regret.
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uuuhhh? I don't think you know what discerning means.

Discerning: Showing insight and understanding. Or, Able to see and understand people, things, or situations clearly and intelligently.

Crying for an apology and for the whole series to grind to a halt until you get it is hardly discerning. Especially since your reason for wanting it is little more than a guess.

Looking at the rest of your post "irritable" might be a better fit. "Petulant" if you want to sound smart.
 
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Mocking? :p

I know some of you guys hate to read this, but a big hunk of the fanbase really is ready to leave the cramped sinking PS3 ship, and head on out to the stars in the spanky new PS4 starcruiser. And I'm one of them. Releasing this flagship game on truly antiquated hardware, I knew there would be several aspects of it that would disappoint me, most of all night lighting. And do let me know how well a new game runs for you on a seven year old PC.

The PS3 is still an amazing piece of kit - for what it is, but it has been superseded years ago. I want to see what Gran Turismo can be on 2014 hardware, even if it isn't bleeding edge. It's beefy enough.
 
Tenacious D
Mocking? :p

I know some of you guys hate to read this, but a big hunk of the fanbase really is ready to leave the cramped sinking PS3 ship, and head on out
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Good choice :)

If Drive Club and Pcars are some kind of hint i see good times coming ahead. And best part is that there are more drivinggames coming that seem to be fun so the pS4 wont have time to rest :)
 
Mulan
I am with you, i get it, but since there is a new console out GT7 and GT6 has nothing to do with each other. Its like you bought a used house they never finished decorating with furniture and paint inside and for that no one elses house should be finished even if they want it from scratch.
That is how i see it, the old frame is there in GT6 but content is lacking.
What you can do is warn all others of course that if they choose same company for fixing old houses they might end without furniture too.
But on the other hand, GT6 for me was never interresting and for many more, because we want totally new not old stuff.
So one part doesnt exclude the other or that new customers even care about what happened before.
So i will take a risk buying GT7 even if i know PD sucks regarding customer relations.
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GT6 and GT7 have plenty to do with each other, they're both products (or will be products) created by Polyphony Digital. The console they're released on is irrelevant, they CHOSE to release GT6 on PS3 and they chose (or were perhaps forced) into releasing the game with content missing. They then chose to promise to add that content to the game, that's the premise people were sold on GT6.

You personally may be happy to give them a free pass but not everyone will be, it's not really too hard to think people want everything used to promote GT6. If they don't deliver them and move onto their next shiny product then why would customers have ANY faith in them, considering it wouldn't exactly be the first failing from PD?

PS your house analogy doesn't work because we didn't buy a used house, we bought a brand new house at full price. It wasn't an old house that PD were going to fix up. Or at least those buying the house (game) on release did. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that house to be finished.
 
ironman44321
uuuhhh? I don't think you know what discerning means.

Discerning: Showing insight and understanding. Or, Able to see and understand people, things, or situations clearly and intelligently.

Crying for an apology and for the whole series to grind to a halt until you get it is hardly discerning. Especially since your reason for wanting it is little more than a guess.

Looking at the rest of your post "irritable" might be a better fit. "Petulant" if you want to sound smart.
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Oh I think I hit the proverbial nail on the head with "discerning" thank you very much. I am not "crying" for an apology as you so childishly put it, I said I would accept an apology from Kaz and accept the failure of PD to finish the game, and some incentive in the form of free DLC to sweeten the apology would go over quite well. So either finish the game as promised, or apologize for not doing so and move on. I think those are quite reasonable options for a "discerning", loyal, 16 year customer. To move on as if nothing happened with GT6 (pun intended) would be a slap in the face to the 2 million+ souls that paid good money for a game never completed as advertised, if that is indeed the case.
 
In simple terms a company owes it to it's customers to tell them the status of the current product before moving onto the next one. If all the missing features are added before E3 then fine, show what you like. If they're not, they shouldn't be parading a new game to the world without telling us what's going on with the rest of the last game.
 
Johnnypenso
No offense, but many of us consumers are a little more discerning than you are. I paid good money for GT6 and it's not finished and I see little sign it ever will be. To begin talking about the next game and not even acknowledge the sorry state this game is in, is the equivalent of the old 🤬 you in my books. As I've said before, I'll take a heartfelt apology with some compensation (free stuff in the next game) from PD in acknowledging that they just can't deliver on all their promises. I don't want a politically correct, corporate, bureaucratic generic statement either, I want something from the heart that acknowledges the passion of the fans and our individual connection to the franchise and Kaz himself. And it has to come from Kaz. I expect some humility and sincere regret.
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please don't say I'm less discerning. Just because I'm saying that pd don't listen to our complaints that means I'm less discerning? Wow.
 
GranTurismo guy
please don't say I'm less discerning. Just because I'm saying that pd don't listen to our complaints that means I'm less discerning? Wow.
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I didn't direct anything towards you specifically so you're safe:cheers:. I fully understand the realities of business and if I were in PD's shoes I'd probably do the minimum I thought I could get away with on GT6 at this point and move towards GT7 myself. GT6 is a massive flop saleswise so unless you can use GT7 coded content in GT6, putting time and effort into a flop is pouring good money after bad.

But you've got to do it in the right way, you have to be contrite, apologetic, sincere. And free stuff never hurts. But to just move to GT7 and let GT6 fall by the wayside without acknowledging it, would be a fatal mistake for many, many consumers, me included.
 
Samus
In simple terms a company owes it to it's customers to tell them the status of the current product before moving onto the next one. If all the missing features are added before E3 then fine, show what you like. If they're not, they shouldn't be parading a new game to the world without telling us what's going on with the rest of the last game.
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They can unveil GT7 for PS4, announce that the prologue will come out in 2015, and then tell those with GT6 that the rest of 2014 will be focused on content for GT6. It's not that big of a deal and I don't see why you think they would just forget about GT6 content just because they showed a possible little teaser trailer of GT7.

It's only been 5 months after the release of GT6. We still have Spec 2.0 to look forward to which could probably have all of the missing said features like the track editor and community options, in which case if its like GT5, won't appear until a year after GT6. That means we still have 7 months before GT6 is a year old.

This month they're giving us the Senna content for free. They never even mentioned it being free before and they could have easily just charged us for it. They haven't forgotten about GT6.
 
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Vspectra
They can unveil GT7 for PS4, announce that the prologue will come out in 2015, and then tell those with GT6 that the rest of 2014 will be focused on content for GT6.
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Yes, that'd be fine. The issue would be if they just announced GT7 and pretended GT6 didn't exist/wasn't unfinished.
 
Johnnypenso
Oh I think I hit the proverbial nail on the head with "discerning" thank you very much. I am not "crying" for an apology as you so childishly put it, I said I would accept an apology from Kaz and accept the failure of PD to finish the game, and some incentive in the form of free DLC to sweeten the apology would go over quite well. So either finish the game as promised, or apologize for not doing so and move on. I think those are quite reasonable options for a "discerning", loyal, 16 year customer. To move on as if nothing happened with GT6 (pun intended) would be a slap in the face to the 2 million+ souls that paid good money for a game never completed as advertised, if that is indeed the case.
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Oh I'm sure you think you're discerning. But it's still out of place in your post unless you were purposefully trying to question GTGuys intelligence or were trying to say he somehow wasn't looking at things as clearly as you were. Which I would hope you would be more respectful than that considering he was being perfectly polite.

Sure, I'll give you that it wasn't crying. But I take more issue with the reasoning behind your...request than I do with the delivery.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're going to be upset with PD if they talk about GT on the PS4 at E3 correct? I have a couple of issues with this.

1. They've already said they're working on GT for the PS4. We knew that before GT6 came out, what's the problem with talking about a game we already know is coming?

2. You seem to be under the impression that by the time E3 rolls around (in 36 days) we'll be far enough into the life of GT6 to be confident in saying that the game is never going to be finished. That's a pretty short window from release, to being a game that's never going to be finished isn't it? Especially since we've had content promised to us sometime in 2014. A full 6 months after E3 before it's late correct?

Now, I suspect you'll be upset if PD says anything at E3 regardless of whether I'm right or wrong because lets be honest, you've made up your mind already. But, I figured it could still be food for thought.
 
ironman44321
Now, I suspect you'll be upset if PD says anything at E3 regardless of whether I'm right or wrong because lets be honest, you've made up your mind already. But, I figured it could still be food for thought.
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Thanks you Kreskin for that wonderful insight into my mind. Since you're obviously a talented mind reader, why don't you just answer my questions for me and save me the trouble.:lol:
 
ok all, lets sum it up?
1: GT7 is coming, that is ok for all if they do point 2+3.
2: GT6 is not finished yet as a product,
PD needs to complete it before
GT7 is out.
3: PD should say what is happening with GT6 if they announce GT7.
4: PD should say what is going on more often.


Because i agree with this.
They should do all this but question
is if they will.
 
Johnnypenso
Thanks you Kreskin for that wonderful insight into my mind. Since you're obviously a talented mind reader, why don't you just answer my questions for me and save me the trouble.:lol:
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We'll just have to wait and see I guess huh? Your welcome by the way for giving you a reason to ignore the rest of my post.
 
Mulan
2: GT6 is not finished yet as a product,
PD needs to complete it before
GT7 is out.
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Yes, but what would be a complete GT6?

And if GT6 is more or less "completed" but not many care because they've moved on to DriveClub or P CARS or Assetto Corsa or whatever, who is going to be happy with this if it delays GT7?

All I see in this debate is a lot of people being mad for the sake of it.
 
Tenacious D
Yes, but what would be a complete GT6?

And if GT6 is more or less "completed" but not many care because they've moved on to DriveClub or P CARS or Assetto Corsa or whatever, who is going to be happy with this if it delays GT7?

All I see in this debate is a lot of people being mad for the sake of it.
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Well it still should but not so sure it will, PD will not halt GT7. But i agree with those who are frustrated, they can at least say if they are really going to complete it.
Perhaps waiting to release a prolouge before that and give it for free to all GT6 users as a sorry.
 
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