GTP Cool Wall: 2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque

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2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque


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more that those who kneejerk vote SUBRC or similar

The trouble is that this is difficult to prove. One can't assume like that. Even if someone doesn't write a detailed essay on the reasons for their vote, doesn't mean that they're conformists or anti-conformists if their vote is with or against the flow. Look at the poll right now; both SZ and SU have an equal number of votes. Who is conforming and who is bucking?

Let's move on from this. We know where we stand; we have our opinions and we should be debating and contrasting our opinions on the cars and not Cool Wall theory.

This Zonda, for example? The last-ever last-ever last-ever version of the last-ever version of the Zonda. Puh-lease. Very Arabian keyring. Seriously Uncool.
 
Yes that's exactly what I said, not that "your" (who exactly is that?) opinions aren't valid at all, or that everyone should agree with me. Seriously it's a long time since i debated at school but the ability to generalise and misquote here is shocking. You read my original post and see if I'm not simply asking that those who don't think certain cars qualify for the polls simply don't vote instead of automatically voting SU (again why not SZ?).

So you suggest anybody voting this SU is unfairly skewing the polls... but would be okay with them hitting SZ. Got it.

I never said people should be like me, never said genuine votes and opinions arent valid and I never said anyone was deliberately trying to skew the votes, more that those who kneejerk vote SUBRC or similar aren't necessarily considering the person who polled the car or the other people who think the nomination and poll is valid, and of interest.

Er, you did say people were deliberately skewing votes. But more importantly: why does that last bit matter? It doesn't matter who nominated a car. I'm not voting based on that. My SU votes for race cars or museum pieces aren't because I consider the nomination invalid, it's because I think those vehicles are not cool.

I asked that such people give it a rest. Those who honestly think such cars are kinda crappy and not at all cool, go for it, but if it's just because you don't think such cars qualify, you might want to just ignore the poll and leave it to those who are OK with it. It's that simple.

"Leave it to those who will vote it a certain way." A community-minded approach, surely.
 
You read my original post and see if I'm not simply asking that those who don't think certain cars qualify for the polls simply don't vote instead of automatically voting SU (again why not SZ?).
Here's your original post again, since we're apparently supposed to really look at it:
For the people still voting SU because very limited/prototype/racecar, could you please just not vote instead of skewing the poll for everyone else? We got the message, such cars are still polled, just don't vote on them. You really made your point way back. The rest of us respect your opinions but don't necessarily agree, but you are welcome to abstain from voting for such cars, as I often do for my own reasons.
Explain how people are supposed to take any of that to mean that you're referring only to this apparent cabal of people who automatically vote SU because they don't think race cars should be polled but not the people who automatically vote SU because they actually believe all (or at least almost all) race cars are SU. Then explain how the people who fall under at least the latter group (since I'm almost certain that there is considerable overlap) aren't supposed to think that you're referring to them when they are the most vocal and they are the most seen.



Bonus points: Explain how you meant something other than how any of the above groups aren't deliberately skewing votes when you literally said that was their reason for doing so twice:
For the people still voting SU because very limited/prototype/racecar, could you please just not vote instead of skewing the poll for everyone else?
Of course that skews the polls, it's classic tactical voting based on an ulterior motive.


And implied multiple times:
this SUBRC thing is not an opinion on the car
That the cluster:
as well as deliberately voting the opposite of what they might actually think
of SUBRC voting:
the SUBRC cliche
Is disingenuous:
I've never got the impression that people vote SU over and over for such cars because they genuinely think they are uncool. The SUBRC meme exemplifies that
In nature:
Folks who otherwise vote across the range just think those cars are seriously uncool because...just because. Alrighty.


If you hadn't conflated the small handful of people who consider SUBRC a rule and post nothing else because Famine once said it or something with the almost certainly much larger group of people people who consider SUBRC a rule and post nothing else because it's a lot shorter than going into extensive detail for why they think race cars are uncool every single time a race car is polled then I daresay all of the blowback against you probably would have been avoided.


Let's try and get this cleared up. Here's the SU votes from the Corvette C7.R thread:
Cross reference it with this one from the Williams F1 car thread:

Over half of those names are identical. Here's a list for a supercar that might as well be a racecar:
And another race car:
Another race car:
Ditto:
Etc:
Again, a lot of the exact same names consistently; over the course of ~3 months. Which are the ones that don't count as sincere opinions on coolness? That is to say, which are the ones that are kneejerk reactions to try and sabotage (or, rather, "skew") a car's place on the wall because that person doesn't want it polled in the first place, instead of people just voting uncool for types of cars they think they are uncool? And/or the ones who are coattail riding and/or voting against what they actually think?
There's, what, 10-15 people who always or almost always vote seriously uncool on race cars according to the results above? And it's got to be some sort of majority to call those people out as you've done here...
 
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I'm a SUBRC voter. I just don't see how race cars can be considered cool. Effective maybe, good looking sometimes, but not cool.

IIRC, I have voted something other than SU on one or two occasions... but only for a 50's/60's iconic cars, with both road and race pedigree.

Some may see this as a 'LIKE' poll, but I certainly don't. I voted uncool for the 997 GT3RS 4.0 because I don't think they are cool, but I'd buy one immediately if I ever came in to a huge pot of cash.

Edit: to be clear, I didn't vote the Cinque SUBRC (it's not a race car)... I voted it SU because it's tacky, and like most modern supercars, will spend it's life being driven round city centers by poseurs.
 
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I only voted SU on two race cars? I figured it would be more than that.

Anyways. I voted meh on this car because that's my feelings on it. I think Zonda's are seriously cool. Who doesn't like a shouty super car? (Okay, a lot of people, but I think they are cool.) But come on........a $2,000,000 car you have to explain. You have to go into details on not only the car's spec, it's price, and it's lineage.

"No, the Zonda R wasn't the last Zonda, this was...........for a time. Until it just became another Zonda model in a long line. I spent $2 mil because I thought it would be special. Rare. Now it's one of the 10 or so rare models."

It all brings the coolness down. It's not uncool, but it's not cool.
 
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A separate GTP Hall Of Fame for race cars in the Motorsports subforum would surely be:

Love
Like
Dislike
Hate

Surely a coolness scale for a series of polling threads exclusively about race cars would be pointless?

Exactly. i'd go as far as saying the poll should be:

Very Competitive
Quite Competitive
Not Very Competitive
Embarrassingly Rubbish

Because on what other criteria can you really judge a race car? Except perhaps how innovative it was/is?
 
My idea of Cool is roughly a synonym for "interesting" or "intriguing" or "impressive" or "I would stop and spend time looking at this at a museum or car show." Or just, "hey, that's neat," or "I really like the way that looks." Or a gut feeling. My idea of Uncool is generally a car that is designed to be fast, imposing, ostentatious, or "cool" (hence commuter cars are "meh" by default), while lacking the sort of character or intrigue that I find cool. Like this Zonda, which is just another modern limited edition supercar. I'd be more likely to gawk at one of the early pre-facelift Zondas.

To put it another way, I vote "cool" if my reaction upon seeing the car might be to say, "cool!"

A racecar could absolutely be cool, but it depends on how interesting and attractive it is, or if its history makes for a neat story.
 

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