GTP Cool Wall: 2013+ Ferrari LaFerrari

[White & Nerdy]

You know what kind of people like hybrids?

Yep, sub zero.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Cool. Only thing keeping it from sub zero is the G-string rear.

 

[Joey D]

You know what kind of people like hybrids?

People who like technology? The future? More power?

 

[White & Nerdy]

People who like technology? The future? More power?

No, obnoxious liberals who parrot MSNBC and earnestly believe the planet will explode and hurl our corpses into space if we don't end all greenhouse emissions.

"People who like technology"

Ah, the people who'd rather have HP per liter than straight liters and think a basic economy car is garbage unless it has every gadget known to man. People who are OK with complicated technology overrunning car engines because they will never attempt to modify their car for greater performance, because they think "all modified cars are uncool" anyway. Yep, they're totally cool. Not.

"People who like the future"

The present sucks enough already.

"People who like more power"

There are better and cooler ways of getting more power.

 

[KinLM]

This whole hybrid coolness thing is sorta stupid.

People who like Priuses probably aren't going to be a fan of a roaring V12 Ferrari, even if it is Ferrari.

Just like many of us petrol heads don't like a Prius, even though it means more power than if it were just the normal petrol engine.

Calling a Ferrari uncool or cool because 'environmentalists' might like it is silly. Chances are that even if it's a hybrid, they won't be a big fan of anything with 12 cylinders and all sorts of foreign materials inside.

 

[Joey D]

No, obnoxious liberals who parrot MSNBC and earnestly believe the planet will explode and hurl our corpses into space if we don't end all greenhouse emissions.

How is a drivetrain system political? It's not like my transmission and engine can vote for Hilary in 2016. Hell, how does a drivetrain even have a favorite news channel?

I never understood people who are afraid of technology, especially when it comes to automotive applications. Hybrid systems are going to allow cars to have more power and still be able to meet government regulation, so essentially it's saving the supercar for the time being while engineers figure something else out.

 

[White & Nerdy]

How is a drivetrain system political? It's not like my transmission and engine can vote for Hilary in 2016. Hell, how does a drivetrain even have a favorite news channel?

I never understood people who are afraid of technology, especially when it comes to automotive applications. Hybrid systems are going to allow cars to have more power and still be able to meet government regulation, so essentially it's saving the supercar for the time being while engineers figure something else out.

Because technology will kill traditional car culture anyway. You get these cars now, you have to be a computer hacker to make them go faster and good luck fixing anything that goes wrong. The tiny, tiny turbo engines are also operating much closer to their point of diminishing returns than the larger N/A engines that are also cooler, meaning than if you do try to mod them you get less speed for more money.

"How does a drivetrain even have a favorite news channel?"

I'm talking about the people who find hybrids cool.

 

[CarBastard]

How is a drivetrain system political? It's not like my transmission and engine can vote for Hilary in 2016. Hell, how does a drivetrain even have a favorite news channel?

I never understood people who are afraid of technology, especially when it comes to automotive applications. Hybrid systems are going to allow cars to have more power and still be able to meet government regulation, so essentially it's saving the supercar for the time being while engineers figure something else out.

Just...just don't, Joey. There's no point. You're trying to talk sense into a guy that said minutes ago that forced induction is wrong just because. Don't bother, go make some tea, drink it, be happy .

 

[KinLM]

No, obnoxious liberals who parrot MSNBC and earnestly believe the planet will explode and hurl our corpses into space if we don't end all greenhouse emissions.

"People who like technology"

Ah, the people who'd rather have HP per liter than straight liters and think a basic economy car is garbage unless it has every gadget known to man. People who are OK with complicated technology overrunning car engines because they will never attempt to modify their car for greater performance, because they think "all modified cars are uncool" anyway. Yep, they're totally cool. Not.

"People who like the future"

The present sucks enough already.

"People who like more power"

There are better and cooler ways of getting more power.

I have to truly commend you for your job of running the cool wall, because you actually do a very good job. I would suck compared to you. 👍

However, I honestly think that your post I just quoted is one of the dumbest and most ignorant things I've read on this site.

 

[White & Nerdy]

I don't hate all forced induction. Engine-driven superchargers are still cool, for now at least. Even turbos used to be cool, back when they were mainly there to help you go faster rather than to prop up engines barely fit for Barbie doll cars.

 

[Zenith]

No, obnoxious liberals who parrot MSNBC and earnestly believe the planet will explode and hurl our corpses into space if we don't end all greenhouse emissions.

I like hybrids and I am none of those. The car I drive also scores high on the White & Nerdy approval scale.

I guess that makes you wrong.

"People who like technology"

Ah, the people who'd rather have HP per liter than straight liters and think a basic economy car is garbage unless it has every gadget known to man. People who are OK with complicated technology overrunning car engines because they will never attempt to modify their car for greater performance, because they think "all modified cars are uncool" anyway. Yep, they're totally cool. Not.

I like technology and have done more performance modifications than you will ever do.

I guess that makes you wrong again.

"People who like the future"

The present sucks enough already.

Yeah, we have ignoramuses like you who won't shut up about a topic that they are hilariously uninformed about.

"People who like more power"

There are better and cooler ways of getting more power.

You will never ever get an IC engine to deliver the response and torque curve of an electric motor.

I guess that makes you wrong for a third time. Man you are good at being wrong about things.

You are possibly the worst "car enthusiast" I have ever conversed with. Thank god you're confined to driving a crapbox in the middle of nowhere. That way everybody with any importance remains unexposed to your drivel.

Maybe that's why you bring all this to GTP. You know you're just braying idly away.

 

[Joey D]

Because technology will kill traditional car culture anyway. You get these cars now, you have to be a computer hacker to make them go faster and good luck fixing anything that goes wrong. The tiny, tiny turbo engines are also operating much closer to their point of diminishing returns than the larger N/A engines that are also cooler, meaning than if you do try to mod them you get less speed for more money.

The Ferrari TheFerrari has a 6.3L engine that puts out 960hp. That's not tiny and nor would anyone even need to make it go faster, especially since it goes something like 220mph. There's not slow about it.

You know what made the 960hp possible? Technology. I really don't understand how you want more power out of everything but don't want technology in your vehicles, the only reason we have cars that can be drive for more than a few hundred miles without a zillion dollar service bill and put out almost 1000hp is because of technology and engineering. If anything you should be embracing it.

"How does a drivetrain even have a favorite news channel?"

I'm talking about the people who find hybrids cool.

I don't know, I just asked my Volvo and it said it liked watching the BBC. Damn Swede.

Just...just don't, Joey. There's no point. You're trying to talk sense into a guy that said minutes ago that forced induction is wrong just because. Don't bother, go make some tea, drink it, be happy .

If by tea you mean beer, then yes.

 

[CarBastard]

I don't hate all forced induction. Engine-driven superchargers are still cool, for now at least. Even turbos used to be cool, back when they were mainly there to help you go faster rather than to prop up engines barely fit for Barbie doll cars.

It's all I'm gonna answer to you in this thread. Mainly because I haven't seen this image in a while and I find it quite funny.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No, obnoxious liberals who parrot MSNBC and earnestly believe the planet will explode and hurl our corpses into space if we don't end all greenhouse emissions.

Never heard that spin before on climate change...

Also I've never nor ever will vote democrat (same goes for the other product)

"People who like technology"

Ah, the people who'd rather have HP per liter than straight liters and think a basic economy car is garbage unless it has every gadget known to man. People who are OK with complicated technology overrunning car engines because they will never attempt to modify their car for greater performance, because they think "all modified cars are uncool" anyway. Yep, they're totally cool. Not.

You've just become increasingly ignorant, sometimes I think it's best you just post the thread and then fade into the dark to save us from this trite. However, that's not up to me sadly.

Also I'm a person who likes technology so much so that I decided to become an engineer. I was taught -and by the looks of your hot rodding a non-hot rod- at a young age how to modify and work on engines from my father, better than you seem to know. Yet you think you know what people like me think about this stuff...it's implemented to make life easier on the regular person, and those who want to modify still can they just need to learn a little more. Which seems to not be your forte.

"People who like the future"

The present sucks enough already.

...what? Do you often cry yourself to sleep?

"People who like more power"

There are better and cooler ways of getting more power.

Like what exactly, and while you're at it how is this an awful way of getting more power?

 

[White & Nerdy]

The Ferrari TheFerrari has a 6.3L engine that puts out 960hp. That's not tiny and nor would anyone even need to make it go faster, especially since it goes something like 220mph. There's not slow about it.

You know what made the 960hp possible? Technology. I really don't understand how you want more power out of everything but don't want technology in your vehicles, the only reason we have cars that can be drive for more than a few hundred miles without a zillion dollar service bill and put out almost 1000hp is because of technology and engineering. If anything you should be embracing it.

Here's a cooler way of making mega HP. Yes, it's still technically technology and engineering, but it ain't quite the same in a number of important ways. Mainly, it can be fixed on the side of the road with a hammer and bungee cords, if it comes to that. Also, it doesn't make you look like Bad Argument Hippie, or since this is a million dollar supercar, the kind of leftist "philanthropist" who gets an evil thrill of satisfaction every time they hear a Bad Argument Hippie.

I don't know, I just asked my Volvo and it said it liked watching the BBC. Damn Swede.

Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Doodle]

@White & Nerdy is just living in the past.

 

[Joey D]

Here's a cooler way of making mega HP:

Not really, superchargers still rob an engine of horsepower to make the compressor work, that's just inefficient.

Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

Sorry, I was feeling a bit 140° today. Should I be more acute?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Here's a cooler way of making mega HP:

So how is this more cool? Putting a 6-71 on a big block V8 that get probably half the mpg as a any super car with a similar set up with modern technology. While looking like what you'd equate to cool for the 60s and 70s is asinine and over the top today. What's worse is that this setup probably gets far more use and becomes a show car or a garage queen then modern day super cars or hyper/halo cars. Yeah not too cool when it can hardly be used.

Also I didn't know owners of such V8s or old school engines were the MacGyvers of the automotive community.

Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

And you were being acutely ignorant. I guess the play field is level.

EDIT:

Sorry I don't understand how one qualifies as a hipster due to your inability to agree that some people might find it uncool. Better yet the idea on a single point that somehow justifies it being cool it's power, isn't the overall end all way some of us vote. That's usually left to the likes of Slashfan and the OP that rant about V8 power making it automatically cool and a few others that cling to figures like a newborn to a mother.

^Love how I foreshadowed the events of this thread

 

[White & Nerdy]

So how is this more cool?

All kinds of ways. Including the image it projects. Driving a Camaro or Nova with an engine like that would just be one long string of "YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH" in multiple ways.

Putting a 6-71 on a big block V8 that get probably half the mpg as a any super car with a similar set up with modern technology.

This just in, fuel economy is now cool! In other news, a jet airliner today reported being overtaken by a pig.

While looking like what you'd equate to cool for the 60s and 70s is asinine and over the top today.

It's over the top, but in a cool way. Isn't this car here over the top anyway?

What's worse is that this setup probably gets far more use and becomes a show car or a garage queen then modern day super cars or hyper/halo cars. Yeah not too cool when it can hardly be used.

Check out Hot Rod Magazine's Drag Week and Power Tour. Big block muscle cars do get used still, and the page I got that photo from listed the engine as a "street/strip" engine.

 

[niky]

Here's a cooler way of making mega HP. Yes, it's still technically technology and engineering, but it ain't quite the same in a number of important ways. Mainly, it can be fixed on the side of the road with a hammer and bungee cords, if it comes to that. Also, it doesn't make you look like Bad Argument Hippie, or since this is a million dollar supercar, the kind of leftist "philanthropist" who gets an evil thrill of satisfaction every time they hear a Bad Argument Hippie.

That's cute. Tell me, how do you fix a complex four-barrel carburetor with high pressure pumps on the side of the road with a hammer and bungee cord?

And I thought you were against high technology? Why are you citing an engine from a shop that sells high-tech cryogenic coating?

And ooh... that parts list...

High tech forged internals
High tech high tension wires and modern distributor
Computer-designed CNC-cut head

I'm sorry. Pot. Kettle. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

 

[CarBastard]

I'd answer to W&N's posts if I wasn't so busy laughing my ass off at them. Seriously guys, let him be .

 

[White & Nerdy]

I guess you got me on that one. You know what I'm getting at though. That engine is 540 ci of sheer brute force. It might be high-tech, but compared to a modern engine definitely not as complicated. No KERS, no drive-by-wire, just a ridiculous amount of air and fuel being shoved into the cylinders.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

All kinds of ways. Including the image it projects. Driving a Camaro or Nova with an engine like that would just be one long string of "YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAH" in multiple ways.

No it wouldn't most old school car guys would probably want to bust your knees for cutting up a classic car to do that.

This just in, fuel economy is now cool! In other news, a jet airliner today reported being overtaken by a pig.

Considering the amount one would spend in doing this along with the classic cars that you probably want to do this too, it'd be cheaper to the get a CTS-V that would not only perform better all around but get better mileage thus you get the best of both worlds. Just because you can't fathom stuff as I've already demonstrated doesn't make it uncool. Saving money is pretty cool too me, if it isn't to you then you sound like the elitist you ironically hate

It's over the top, but in a cool way. Isn't this car here over the top anyway?

Yeah hence why I voted uncool, maybe read the thread you created and you might remember what you saw. Seems I'm fair and linear with my judgement.

Check out Hot Rod Magazine's Drag Week and Power Tour. Big block muscle cars do get used still, and the page I got that photo from listed the engine as a "street/strip" engine.

I have subscription to pretty much every mainstream car magazine including Chevy Magazine and Hot Rod. The cars in Drag week usually aren't daily drivers like super cars can be, there are also many of them that don't run on pump gas. Sometimes they'll do a special story on the few guys that actually drive their car from one side of the U.S. to where Drag week is held but that isn't a majority. Also no one said they don't get used but when put into a capacity where it's all power they become special event/garage queen cars.

I guess you got me on that one. You know what I'm getting at though. That engine is 540 ci of sheer brute force. It might be high-tech, but compared to a modern engine definitely not as complicated. No KERS, no drive-by-wire, just a ridiculous amount of air and fuel being shoved into the cylinders.

He got you because you don't know what the 🤬 you're talking about to any capacity. Nor did you answer my questions. Also you show even further how much you don't know, KERS and hybrid system archetypes like it have been around longer than you were a thought in your parents minds. Thus there has been plenty of time to ensure their use on road cars contrary to your belief.

 

[niky]

just a ridiculous amount of air and fuel being shoved into the cylinders.

Nope. It's technology.

It's technology that models combustion chamber characteristics, calculates optimum spark advance, acceptable piston speeds, airflow through the carburetor barrels in terms of cfm, required fuel flow and jet sizes, cam profiles...

If all you want is air and fuel being shoved into an engine and... magic... power! You've got this:



Which is so simple, comparing it to your piston example is like comparing a sundial to a mechanical watch.

And speaking of your example... it's the automotive equivalent of a tourbillon. While modern cars either use efficient quartz mechanisms or even hybrid mechanical-quartz mechanisms, these monster motors are like expensive mechanical watches, using inaccurate mechanisms that are fiddly, require constant correction (countless hours of fun, spent re-jetting for warmer/colder weather, intricate starting rituals that include very specific gas pedal/choke/ignition positions, long start-up times, proper warm-up procedures, etcetera... by the time you've got one of those monsters started in the morning, your typical Civicorolla owner is already twenty miles down the interstate...) and still don't work as well as a high-end quartz watch.

In other words, they're about as impractical and silly as a supercar that uses twenty different motors to do the same work that a single twin-turbo Nissan GT-R does for a lot less money.

If you can afford either, bully for you. You get to hang around with the other rich old guys with high-powered classic muscle cars / supercars. But, with exceptions, neither set is very cool.

 

[Imari]

The tiny, tiny turbo engines are also operating much closer to their point of diminishing returns than the larger N/A engines that are also cooler, meaning than if you do try to mod them you get less speed for more money.

What I'm reading is "I hate when manufacturers make better engines in their cars, I want worse engines so that I can then work on improving them to the state they should have been manufactured in".

If you want a car to work on, there's plenty of them, and there will always be kit cars. Complaining about cars being better stock so it's harder to make them better betterer just seems retarded. Unless you're a hipster that needs to make his car different to everyone else. Which is kind of cool too, I like cars that have had unique things done to them, but does it need to be different AND a penis extension?

 

[White & Nerdy]

Jet Motorcycle.

That thing looks awesome.

As for everything else, well, OK. Like I said, technology and engineering, but not in quite the same way as a modern downsized power setup. Also like I said, you know what I'm getting at. I just proved to myself and everyone else here that I can't explain what exactly it is, but there's something about a cartoonishly oversized supercharged V8 that the newer, objectively better setups just plain don't have. And that's what I'm after when I say that downsized turbo & hybrid setups are wrong even when they work. They aren't cool. That engine has a lot of tech and precision, but it's still a roaring brute, with a supercharger that probably sounds like an eagle scream. Well not exactly of course, but whatever. The Ferrari setup is more... overtly techy.

You know what? Forget it. Hybrid systems are uncool because they will never escape the "driver votes a straight D ticket every time" connotations. That's all.

@Imari the problem with modern high-specific-output setups being closer to potential is that they often aren't the same size as before with more power, they're smaller than before with the same power. So they're closer to their potential without actually being much faster. And the the higher the standard car's position on the pecking order, the more disproportionate the cost becomes - if one car is twice as fast as another being built at the same time & sold in the same country, you can bet it'll be about 10 times more expensive. So from a money standpoint, it's actually better to have a bigger, lazy engine that can be modified easily than a smaller, more highly-strung engine that has the same power but can't handle as much extra.

 

[edawg456]

I prefer older Ferrari's. Seriously uncool.

 

[CinnamonOD]

One of the greatest supercars of the decade

Seriously Uncool

 

[Imari]

@Imari the problem with modern high-specific-output setups being closer to potential is that they often aren't the same size as before with more power, they're smaller than before with the same power. So they're closer to their potential without actually being much faster. And the the higher the standard car's position on the pecking order, the more disproportionate the cost becomes - if one car is twice as fast as another being built at the same time & sold in the same country, you can bet it'll be about 10 times more expensive. So from a money standpoint, it's actually better to have a bigger, lazy engine that can be modified easily than a smaller, more highly-strung engine that has the same power but can't handle as much extra.

Doesn't really change my point. You want worse OEM engines so you can fettle them.

I'm sure pretty much the same arguments have been applied to every major step upgrade in engines over the years. Fuel injection. ECUs. VVT/VTEC. Synchro gearboxes. Front wheel drive. You name it, someone out there hated it because it was more complicated, harder to work with and just better out of the box, so it was harder to make it betterer.

I'm not sure what your reasons for modifying your car are, but there are few that stand up.
If you just want a better car, then you get one with less work.
If you just like working on your car, there's still HEAPS of stuff you can do to improve most modern cars, it's just that screwing more horses out of them is more work than "bolt supercharger on, hurrr". Or you can just get an older car/kit car and work on that.
If you want cars to always stay the same, you're SOL. The same urge that you have to improve your car? Car designers have that too.

Frankly, I'm surprised it took so long for many manufacturers to realise their cars were overengineered for the application (or improve the quality of their processes to the point where they didn't need to overengineer to account for the natural variation in production).

 

[Azure Flare]

Not really, superchargers still rob an engine of horsepower to make the compressor work, that's just inefficient.

This is THE reason I prefer turbochargers over superchargers.

I'm talking about the people who find hybrids cool.

*fangirl squeal*

I have an excuse to use this image again!