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[Timppaq]

just as a little preview.. Will post proper pics when I get the seat & the ply's It really is ROCK solid!

 

[Hyper-Dan]

Looks VERY tasty indeed... can't wait to see more. 👍

 

[Mr Latte]

Nice to see it forming shape and looks well.

Seat mount is different but just not sure about it.
Only way is testing it I guess, have a concern that it could skew a little over time with a heavy user with only the two main uprights.

The only other thing is that it might be a little bit cumbersome for one person to alter the height of the seat, theyd have to hold the seat remove bolts to realign to the new height and then re-insert bolts to tighten.

Shame that its not just a matter of loosening something, reposition and then re tighten rather than have to actually remove bolts/seat into different holes.

Those personal preference issues asside it looks like its going to be really neat.

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks for the kind words

About the seat uprights.. I'm pretty sure they'll hold..

Here's me standing on one of those.. (84kg)

I guarantee you that it won't budge one millimeter.

You are right on the height adjustment thing. But that's really difficult issue to avoid with this kind of design. Luckily the seat height adjustment shouldn't be an everyday task

 

[zed300]

Excellent vision Timppaq, I really like the aluminium and glass.
Might scrap mine and buy one of yours

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks zed

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e-mailed about the plywoods.. no answer yet.

edit,

got a reply, the plywoods will take another 2 weeks still!!

 

[Mr Latte]

I feel your frustration and know full well what your going through.
The amount of times Ive been in/out with my local BQ d.i.y store for small things like nuts/bolts.

I reckon Ive also spent about £80-£100 on tools and things like drill bits...

Edit: A further £18 tonight on a damn Bosch drill bit adapter for drillling just 3 holes, arrrggghhhh!

 

[Timppaq]

Well, I still need to get the seat from where it currently is (300km trip one way)... so basically not in a hurry here, but it does itch a little

 

[Timppaq]

A couple new preview pics.. it's kind of freaky how light the thing is. Put yesterday the parts I have now for the pedal rest, and it seems to be maybe the only iffy part of the design. Although it will be / feel different I'm sure when the plywood is there, all the bolts are tightened, the pedals are on it and your feet are resting on the pedals. Nothing big to be worried and I already know how this slight miss judgement can be 'cured' easily for the next ones to be built.

Also made a vid to demonstrate the rigidity, even though all the parts are not yet in it. Forgot the cam to home sadly, so will upload it tomorrow the earliest.

Click for bigger.





ps. wow my floor looks wonderful...

 

[Radracing]

I like what I see so far. Excelent work! 👍👍👍👍👍

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks

I have already made some minor changes based on the experiences with the real parts.

- threaded bars are now M12 (instead of M16) ..it's hard to believe maybe, but it's plenty enough when all the pieces are together. Also, the front oval hole is now done with tiny "toothing" so you don't need to tighten the bolts so hard and it won't slide even with agressive seat angles. Also the aluminium shorties under the seat are even shorter now.

- the "L" shaped metal pieces have now 8,1mm holes instead of 6,1.. now possible to use M8 bolts if one feels necessary or if the holes in the aluminium are not 100% aligned, this will give some margin.

- the pedal section, especially the metal plates have changed most to allow more rigid fastening. Also possible now to use "double" screws that will take away all movement. Also now much more adjustment available.

I'm sure there will be more changes when the ply's arrive. And after I get this proto tested, will start to look at that VESA screen mounting thing.. 👍

Just another pic, from below;

edit,

- also added toothing to the seat angle adjustment. Now there is no need to tighten the bolts so damn tight

 

[arora]

Very Nice Timo 👍

 

[Mr Latte]

Almost their, look forward to your completition.
Ive enjoyed watching this...

 

[Timppaq]

But it's only starting now Can't wait to get the rest of the parts & the seat and finally be able to test the 7ucker

Waiting to see more of the R too 👍

 

[oldschoolsq]

Just found this ..... WOW !!! Looks like what I have been looking for , will you be selling these ? I read that you had enough peices for 10 units , is that right ?

 

[Timppaq]

Yes that is basically my plan To keep the price affordable I'd need to do minimum sets of 10 pieces.. I don't want to go into the price yet as I don't know what changes etc. will be made for the finished product. But I guarantee it'll be good value..

And yes, I ordered 10 sets (11 actually) of the plastic end caps as I got those little cheaper that way.

 

[Timppaq]

Just bleeding my frustration here. Checked when I ordered the ply's and it was 5.5. !! Ffs, I hope all parts will be premium it taking this long.

All other parts are now fitted and fastened. Still yet to get my seat (sorry Raitzi having to store it this long) but within all reason this shouldn't take much longer anymore. I wish.

edit,

changed little the shapes on the metal plates under seat & in the pedal support

 

[Mars Attacks]

Superb job, so far 👍 (lets see the price)!

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks and funny thing you mention the price. But sadly I can't give you exact numbers yet. And even though you all must realize that I can't compete with "big" manufacturers I like to think that the price range I'm thinking now is quite competitive.

Would be fun to hear your guesses / estimations about the realistic price (with one screen stand & without bolts and nuts) I'll add a poll to gauge general impression.. be reasonable (please ) , thanks

so to remind you what would be included:

- Aluminium bars
- Plastic end caps
- Stainless steel parts, cut with 0,1mm precision laser cutter
- Plywoods, double painted (half gloss black)
- All mounting holes for G25 / G27 & adjustment holes predrilled
- Assembly instructions
- Good product support
NOTE: no seat included, but all racing seats with standard type runners will fit.

 

[Mr Latte]

Hi friend....
I think you should edit your post to ensure people are aware that NO SEAT is included for your POLL.
Just wanted to point that out so your sure you get good feedback from it.

Some may see the diagrams and assume a seat is included in your price and may already have done so, but thats just my retail experience telling me that.
Not sure what price a decent seat is but £100 - £200 is a good ballpark for something new I reckon? Importantly people should be aware they may with some seats also require seperate seat runners and good ones of those are £30.

Best to take all that into account as well as shipping rates for comparing this to something like:

Playseat
Gamepod
Game Racer
Obutto


Look forward to seeing this all finished...

 

[Timppaq]

Yes that's true, seat will not be included. But I'd guess most of the people who has voted so far already knew that. But to be sure, I'll edit that to the list. 👍

 

[nicka117]

This project is coming along very nicely!

Tim- i would definitely consider including the nuts/bolts in the cost estimate. People are going to add the cost in anyway before they consider buying your rig. They will definitely not want to make an extra trip to the hardware store to buy 60 bolts and nuts. The nuts aren't expensive, but the bolts are expensive.

If you buy the hardware in bulk, you can pass on those savings to your customers. Otherwise they will have to pay retail. The hardware expense is a much bigger number than people think.

I don't mean this in a negative way; just an inevitable fact.

Keep up the great work!

 

[Mr Latte]

Yes that's true, seat will not be included. But I'd guess most of the people who has voted so far already knew that. But to be sure, I'll edit that to the list. 👍

Yeah just wanted it to be a something everyone was certain of so their were no issues later. The popular price is the one I thought was best also.

Im not having a go but many sports/bucket seats like those from Cobra/Recaro/Momo/Sparco do not use standard width mounts as they require their own hardmounts for each seat. Will your design accomodate such seats needing hardmounts as they are wider over seats that use seat runners which bolt underneath the seat?

I cant remember if we discussed this before?

 

[stega]

Im not having a go but many sports/bucket seats like those from Cobra/Recaro/Momo/Sparco do not use standard width mounts as they require their own hardmounts for each seat. Will your design accomodate such seats needing hardmounts as they are wider over seats that use seat runners which bolt underneath the seat?

I cant remember if we discussed this before?

I ran into this issue. And I am now having to build my own base for hard-mounting.

 

[Mr Latte]

I ran into this issue. And I am now having to build my own base for hard-mounting.

Its an easy one to get caught out on.
Ive seen Playseat owners that are upgrading/modding do the same.

 

[Timppaq]

This project is coming along very nicely!

Tim- i would definitely consider including the nuts/bolts in the cost estimate. People are going to add the cost in anyway before they consider buying your rig.

I don't mean this in a negative way; just an inevitable fact.

Keep up the great work!

👍 For sure I can add the approximate cost to the price, but it'll benefit the 'customer' if he takes one trip to the hardware shop and buys the bolts & nuts him/herself. In the end it'll all just add up to the shipping costs and I'm not sure if I'd want someone to ship some regular bolts etc. over seas etc, if I can just go to a local shop and buy those myself.

But, when I get the proto ready & working, I will report how much the bolts & nuts cost me here in Finland. I'd estimate at this point no more than 10€ so it shouldn't be a big issue. But of course everyone should know what is included and what is not 👍 And also, for sure Finland is not the cheapest place to buy those bolts & nuts..

Yeah just wanted it to be a something everyone was certain of so their were no issues later. The popular price is the one I thought was best also.

Im not having a go but many sports/bucket seats like those from Cobra/Recaro/Momo/Sparco do not use standard width mounts as they require their own hardmounts for each seat. Will your design accomodate such seats needing hardmounts as they are wider over seats that use seat runners which bolt underneath the seat?

I cant remember if we discussed this before?

All seats that have runners with the fastening holes being 'on the same plane' should fit in. The cross bars are threaded to support any possible width and in lognitudal direction there should already be enough adjustability to fit basically anything. If someone has a seat with standard type runners (fastening holes on the same plane) that have really close lognitudal distance between eachothers, please tell me the measurement. I can give the current range when I get back to my computer where I have the 3d model, but I do think even at this point it's plenty enough. Maybe even more than enough.

Everyone should of course still recognize that this is kind of 20% DIY product. By this I mean that you should think about the rig as the basic platform what you can very easily modify to your needs. There are no welds and every part is really easy to replace. This is something that I value a lot after fighting my current rig and still not getting the 'perfect' driving position. Now I'm sure that will be possible, and also if there is something that bothers me, it will be really easy to change any part/section that you wish. That was one of my main points when trying to design this.

Thanks for the comments and for the votes 👍 Really appreciated.

edit,

here's an example of the universal standard runners;

 

[stega]

Alot of side-mount seats will not accept runners.

 

[Timppaq]

That just might be true 👍 When I get the time, I'll study a bit more of those different kind of mountings, it shouldn't be really hard to figure out a alternative fastening solution for those seats. Thanks for bringing the point out (Mr.Latte also). 👍 Ductility is a good thing

edit,

also if you'd like to throw me a curve ball and already have a seat that has no 'standard' runners, post some pics etc. so I can see what's out there and what I need to be thinking about. 👍

 

[stega]

I will post some close-ups of my side mounting MOMO Daytona XL.

 

[Mr Latte]

My Cobra hardmounts mounting holes are approx 39-40cm apart.
The full width of the seat with runners on is 45cm due to their shape.

In comparison my "Gamepod Cockpit" which uses a standard set of runners with a "Cobra Monaco" seat are only approx 29cm apart.

Alot of side-mount seats will not accept runners.

If certain seat hardmounts will not align directly to the holes of "standard seat runners" then its simple to attach the seat to a wooden base and attach the seat runners to the underside of the wooden base.
The wooden base could also have holes for a cup holder or controller etc

These issues are not impossible to overcome but what manuafacturers do to make profit is sell items like these as "extras"
The gearstick holder is a fine example as many companies sell that as an extra cost.

Long way to go before all things can be tested on this prototype but it all looks promising and if somethings not right we can all put our minds into action to help.